Doctor Who - Spoilers!

[William Shatners Toupee]

Unless I forgot something (and I may have as I don't even remember what actually happened to the alternate Mickey), this is our Mickey, back from S4's Dalek season ending two-parter, just having grown alot from his time fighting Cybermen on the alternate Earth.

 

[bcm77]

like alot of RTD's plans, the idea wasn't neccisarily executed the best it could have

If the Philip Hinchcliffe era was the one of "gothic horror", then RTD's run is definitely the "Not executed as well as it might have been" era

Martha & Mickey in Torchwood with Jack would possibly be enough to entice me to try it again as I like all those characters. No more new spinoffs though as the quality has spread itself too thinly already.

 

[Kabukiman]

Funny I didn't recognize Mickey at all - now this is alternate universe bad-ass Mickey, right?

WST is right:

...this is our Mickey, back from S4's Dalek season ending two-parter, just having grown alot from his time fighting Cybermen on the alternate Earth.

Alternate universe badass "Ricky" died in season 2 during the Rise of the Cybermen / Age of Steel 2-parter. This is Mickey, all grown up and back from the alternate universe where he was posing as "Ricky."

 

[Kabukiman]

Murray Gold is staying for the 2010 season!

https://www.musicfromthemovies.com/index2.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=67&Itemid=66

 

[Darklord Dave]

Murray Gold is staying for the 2010 season!

https://www.musicfromthemovies.com/index2.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=67&Itemid=66

I love the music from the show - right up there with BSG as some of my favorite TV music. But anyone else feel the wall to wall music in the finale was a bit grating?

 

[Kabukiman]

I love the music from the show - right up there with BSG as some of my favorite TV music. But anyone else feel the wall to wall music in the finale was a bit grating?

I didn't get that feeling, but I've yet to get my second viewing in. I was in a bit of a trance the first time through!

And we're agreed about the quality of the music. I have all 3 soundtracks, and I'm hoping we get a fourth once season 5 concludes!

 

[pixletwin]

Interesting... Murray is rearranging the series opening theme...

Per the woman in white:

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I just finished watching part two for the third time (i know ) I think RTD left a pretty big hint as to who the Woman in White is... After Wilf asks the Doctor who she is, the camera focuses on Donna in the back ground and The Doctor just leaves it unsaid.

I take this to mean that after Donna dies a natural human death she prolly regenerates into a time lord and she regains her memories...

Per the woman in white being the Doctor's mother... the eighth Doctor said he was half human on his mother's side... You put two and two together and you can see why Donna may have been repulsed by people thinking she was the Doc's squeeze.

 

[TheObsoleteMan]

Interesting... Murray is rearranging the series opening theme...

Per the woman in white:

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I just finished watching part two for the third time (i know ) I think RTD left a pretty big hint as to who the Woman in White is... After Wilf asks the Doctor who she is, the camera focuses on Donna in the back ground and The Doctor just leaves it unsaid.

I take this to mean that after Donna dies a natural human death she prolly regenerates into a time lord and she regains her memories...

Per the woman in white being the Doctor's mother... the eighth Doctor said he was half human on his mother's side... You put two and two together and you can see why Donna may have been repulsed by people thinking she was the Doc's squeeze.

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I also thought that scene indicated Donna was the woman in white.

As for the second part... please no.

 

[pixletwin]

Well the actress herself said she was.

Put two and two together.

 

[Kabukiman]

Well the actress herself said she was.

When/where? links?

 

[pixletwin]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture...re-Bloom-to-star-as-mother-of-Doctor-Who.html

https://42blips.dailyradar.com/story/claire_bloom_to_star_as_mother_of_doctor_who/

Sorry I can't find the actual article where she herself said it.. it must have been pulled down?

 

[barbelith]

Per the woman in white:

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The woman in white is not Donna, but according to RTD she was originally intended to be the Doctor's mother. The shot of Donna juxtaposed with Wilf is used as an analog to show this is about family - both Wilf's and the Doctor's (though these are separate). The Doctor would never leave Donna running around unattended if she could regenerate, especially as that would almost certainly cause her to reexamine her life, remember him and burn! And how on Earth would she then go back in time, join Time Lord society before the Time War etc? Doesn't add up. It's not Donna.

 

[pixletwin]

We shall have to agree to disagree. I don't think RTD would rap all that up in one shot. But what he does do is drop little things like that with no resolution so that folks like you and me can argue about it for the next 40 years.

Face of Boe anyone?

Either way, you can't categorically state whether

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she was Donna

or not.

 

[barbelith]

Either way, you can't categorically state whether

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she was Donna

or not.

Of course there will alwas be fan conspiracies that lack a single shred of tangible evidence and fly in the face of logic.

But let's play with this:

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Donna regenerated and for some reason remembers her time with the Doctor but doesn't burn. What happens to her on Earth? He husband? How does she make her way to a Gallifrey before the Time War despite the lock? Who is the Doctor's father if he's the only Time Lord in existence? How does any of this make any sense whatsoever?

 

[pixletwin]

All meat for a future writer to grind.

I would say there is enough tangible evidence provided in that one shot... (what was that again about the worth of one picture?).

 

[barbelith]

All meat for a future writer to grind.

I would say there is enough tangible evidence provided in that one shot... (what was that again about the worth of one picture?).

I don't think "tangible evidence" means what you think it means. By your logic, there's meat for a future writer to reveal that Adric was the Doctor's father having somehow escaped the freighter.

But on the other hand, every single thing we've ever been told about Donna's condition and the Time War mitigates against the WIW/Donna theory. We literally have to chuck out everything for the sake of a single shot that is far more likely to mean what RTD says it means.

 

[pixletwin]

Ok. I know where you stand. I disagree with you and I have a feeling abou 90% of fandom may as well.

And if some mystery guy saved the doctor and someone asked him who he was and we see a shot of Adric in the back ground, I guess you are right. But we didn't and your effort to discredit me is pretty weak.

And trust me I have had enough to schooling to know exactly what tangible evidence means.

I don't see why it flies in the face of logic either. Why? Because she is in an earlier time line?

The Valeyard, anyone?

I do think it's funny how you like to posture as if you know, when you don't. Clearly RTD meant it to be ambiguous.

It's all theories and I'll continue to believe mine as I think it makes for an interesting characterization on the DD idea.

 

[Kabukiman]

I think this happened!

Nope, it was clearly this:

But then how do you explain this?!?

Like this!

But...

This is why I will be missing RTD a great deal. He knows much of the appeal of the program is the mystery that surrounds The Doctor. He gives us just enough information where we can say "OMG - I think it's this!" but leaves enough wiggle room for that to be proven wrong, thus preserving the mystery and leaving a potential blank slate for new writers.

I hope The Moff™ understand this as much as RTD did, and gives us plenty more Who-conversations in the future!

 

[pixletwin]

Kabukiman = Best multi quote ever.

and you are entirely right and understood exactly what I was driving for.

 

[William Shatners Toupee]

I'm pretty sure the Woman in White is either the Face of Boe, Martha Jones, or Harry Sullivan. I haven't been able to narrow down which yet since the evidence for all three is just too overwhelming.