Doctor Who - Spoilers!

[Darth Caedus]

I can see evidence that the women in white is donna and the doctor's mother. Personally, at first glance, I thought it was his mother; but who knows

This is the part of the show I enjoy, like you all said. Just given enough information to debate back and forth.

I'm rewatching the first series with Eccelston and little tidbits from all 4 series' were introduced in that series that I totally forgot about Read that the face of boe will be reappear in the spring which is awesome

 

[barbelith]

And if some mystery guy saved the doctor and someone asked him who he was and we see a shot of Adric in the back ground, I guess you are right. But we didn't and your effort to discredit me is pretty weak.

It's not an effort to discredit you; it's just providing an analog showing that anything is "meat for a future writer" in this sense. You're entitled to think the woman in white is Donna, and you're entitled to think she's the Doctor's mother as well. But the onscreen evidence for this is zilch, and relying on the "meat for a future writer" argument is silly because that applies to any fan theory we dream up.

And trust me I have had enough to schooling to know exactly what tangible evidence means.

Then it should be easy enough to provide some.

In the meantime, we could discuss some of the massive logical problems besetting this theory. For example:

If Donna can regenerate and keep her memories and be fine, why does the Doctor freak out instead of just helping her regenerate?

Why does he leave her in Earth if she'll regenerate and outlive her husband etc, especially as she'd have no idea what's happening?

How does she get a TARDIS to go to Gallifrey?

How does she get past the time lock to before the Time War?

How does she get accepted into Gallifreyan society and become a Time Lord despite the ban on aliens?

Where is the textual evidence for any of this?

For starters.

 

[pixletwin]

I would say the metacrisis would kill her before she had a chance to regenerate. However if it is contained until she dies a natural death than perhaps she blossoms into a time lord.

I don't need to cite textual evidence. At all. It's speculation. That's why it fun you see?

 

[pixletwin]

If Donna can regenerate and keep her memories and be fine, why does the Doctor freak out instead of just helping her regenerate?

There has never been a human/time lord metacrisis. The Doctor may not have wanted to experiment and risk Donna losing her life. He may have been completely unaware she could regenerate until he saw her standing behind Rassilon.

Why does he leave her in Earth if she'll regenerate and outlive her husband etc, especially as she'd have no idea what's happening?

Dunno? Hasn't been revealed and may never be revealed.

How does she get a TARDIS to go to Gallifrey?

Dunno? Hasn't been revealed and may never be revealed.

How does she get past the time lock to before the Time War?

Dunno? Hasn't been revealed and may never be revealed.

How does she get accepted into Gallifreyan society and become a Time Lord despite the ban on aliens?

Dunno? Hasn't been revealed and may never be revealed.

The existence of questions such as therse only serves to buoy my POV.

Why would the Doc not just tell Wilf that it was his mum or whoever she was? Spoilers. That's why.

 

[barbelith]

I would say the metacrisis would kill her before she had a chance to regenerate. However if it is contained until she dies a natural death than perhaps she blossoms into a time lord.

But you just made that up.

I don't need to cite textual evidence. At all. It's speculation. That's why it fun you see?

I find it fun to puzzle stuff out based on the evidence. But if you find fun in making stuff up without - or in spite of - the evidence, then more power to you. It takes all sorts.

 

[pixletwin]

Well solve away genius. What do you think and why?

 

[Memnoch]

I think its FAR more likely it may have been Susan. The same camera pan people are using to say it's Donna could have been done because he was talking to Wilf who is her grandfather.

 

[barbelith]

The existence of questions such as therse only serves to buoy my POV.

Then you must love my theory that the Doctor is really a rogue Oompa Loompa. It may never be revealed and run counter to everything we know, but still...

 

[pixletwin]

But you just made that up.

That would be where the word SPEC-U-LATION comes in.

 

[pixletwin]

Then you must love my theory that the Doctor is really a rogue Oompa Loompa. It may never be revealed and run counter to everything we know, but still...

Posts like these really make your voice a familiar one to me. Who are you and why are you scared to tell me? I am positive I know you from somewhere else.

 

[barbelith]

Well solve away genius. What do you think and why?

You say you want discussion, but you seem far more interested in vindication. Why the snide namecalling?

I don't know who the woman in white is. Perhaps she's the Doctor's mother, as RTD indicates. But then again, he deleted any overt references for a reason. We may never know. But I see no evidence she's some sort of future incarnation of Donna.

 

[pixletwin]

pixletwin = never snide.

You are smart guy and I wanted to hear your opinion. I am sure you possess the imagination to come up with something without "evidence".

Still I am almost 95.55555% sure I know you under a different name.

 

[barbelith]

That would be where the word SPEC-U-LATION comes in.

As I said, there are many different kinds of fans. I see these things as mysteries, and like all good mysteries you combine evidence and logic until you arrive at the most airtight conclusion possible. Other fans find fun in making stuff up regardless of evidence and logic, leading to the "Doctor is God" theory of Kevin Clarke etc. You seem to be one of those, and that's great.

Posts like these really make your voice a familiar one to me. Who are you and why are you scared to tell me? I am positive I know you from somewhere else.

The only other place I've ever seen your user name is WhoNA, and I've never posted there. I'm hardly an iconoclast, so I imagine there are millions of people just like me wherever you go online.

 

[pixletwin]

As I said, there are many different kinds of fans. I see these things as mysteries, and like all good mysteries you combine evidence and logic until you arrive at the most airtight conclusion possible. Other fans find fun in making stuff up regardless of evidence and logic, leading to the "Doctor is God" theory of Kevin Clarke etc. You seem to be one of those, and that's great.

I would say RTD provided compelling direction (or mis-direction) for my opinion.

The only other place I've ever seen your user name is WhoNA, and I've never posted there. I'm hardly an iconoclast, so I imagine there are millions of people just like me wherever you go online.

 

[Darklord Dave]

Truth is, the writers can make any of the speculation come to pass.

I think that the Woman in White is River Song who is also the Doctor's mother and Donna and also a future regeneration of the Doctor as a woman.

 

[Darth Caedus]

Truth is, the writers can make any of the speculation come to pass.

I think that the Woman in White is River Song who is also the Doctor's mother and Donna and also a future regeneration of the Doctor as a woman.

After rewatching it, I think the women in white is really captain jack harkness

 

[Memnoch]

After rewatching it, I think the women in white is really captain jack harkness

NO! You're all wrong! Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! ... It's Rose.

 

[pixletwin]

I change my mind. You are all wrong. She is the result of a metacrsis between:

Him:

Him:

Her:

and them:

 

[pixletwin]

I get D'chills:

 

[TheObsoleteMan]

Where's all this speculation about the Doctor's mother coming from? I don't remember anything in those last 2 episodes that had anything to do with the Doctor's parentage. Did I miss something?