Documents say detainee in Guantanamo near insanity

[Kuzeh]

Well,
seems like again...extremist human rights violation were OK'd by the US government in Guantanamo

This really pisses me off!!!
I seriously hope that Bush and all of his team of genocide maniacs get convicted for crimes against humanity, war crimes, etc...

 

[Wanderer]

Well,
seems like again...extremist human rights violation were OK'd by the US government in Guantanamo

This really pisses me off!!!
I seriously hope that Bush and all of his team of genocide maniacs get convicted for crimes against humanity, war crimes, etc...

I hear you bro. Its a tragic irony Bush wages war for freedom blah blah bull ^^^^ blah blah, yet systematically authorises the killing of innocents and perpetrates war crimes against others...

 

[DarkArtist81]

Yeah, Gitmo is an American embarrassment. Really makes us look like a great country when we lock up people on suspicion and take away all their rights.

 

[Mesa]

I think these suspected terrorists should be rehabilitated so they can carry out their original terrorist's plans. Let's give them free health care, a risky mortgage loan, pay for their flight back into the US from our tax dollars, and give them a free education in a liberal university where they can study ballistics, chemical reactions, and learn how to fly a plane on a one way trip.

 

[IrishJedi]

I think these suspected terrorists should be rehabilitated so they can carry out their original terrorist's plans. Let's give them free health care, a risky mortgage loan, pay for their flight back into the US from our tax dollars, and give them a free education in a liberal university where they can study ballistics, chemical reactions, and learn how to fly a plane on a one way trip.

Wow.

 

[devilof76]

Non-citizens do not have Constitutional guarantees, but it doesn't matter which side of the U.S. border a prisoner of the U.S. is being held on if he's an actual citizen. They do have rights under our law, and if their rights are not being respected, there is no justification. Either charge them, or let them go.

 

[IrishJedi]

Non-citizens do not have Constitutional guarantees, but it doesn't matter which side of the U.S. border a prisoner of the U.S. is being held on if he's an actual citizen. They do have rights under our law, and if their rights are not being respected, there is no justification. Either charge them, or let them go.

This I agree with 100%.

 

[Mesa]

I think people have already forgotten what happened to our country 7 years ago. Maybe not forgotten, but think less of the tragedy we went through. It's easier to forget. It's a natural human tendency to not focus on the bad stuff and diminish the pain of our past.

These detainees had terrorists ties, in one way or another. The US did not just go around randomly and round up people without justification performed through investigation. No one would have stood for that, myself included. I'll shed no tears for any mistreatment of anyone that means to do my country and it's people harm, directly or indirectly.

 

[devilof76]

Yeah but you have to prove it if they're a citizen.

There'd almost be a case for it if we were at war, but last I checked, no one has declared one.

 

[DarkArtist81]

Proven terrorists deserve harsh treatment... But some have been arrested for just having a psycho family member who is a terrorist. That's whats wrong with the GITMO system.

I'm just glad they have put some rules in place. We don't want people arrested for sporting a turban.

 

[Mesa]

Proven terrorists deserve harsh treatment... But some have been arrested for just having a psycho family member who is a terrorist. That's whats wrong with the GITMO system.

I'm just glad they have put some rules in place. We don't want people arrested for sporting a turban.

I'm pretty sure no one was thrown into Gitmo for wearing a turban. I can specifically recall an outlash by the public when some ignorant redneck shot a Shiek soon after 9/11, which just shows even when the US is victimized, we still believe in fairness and justice, which is why America is so awesome. And I know Shiek and Muslim are not same religion/culture, so hold back on calling me ignorant.

But come on, what is the point of this thread? Am I really supposed to feel sorry that some person with terrorist ties is being kept in solitary confinement in a prison? Boo frickin' hoo. Or that he had his picture taken while only in his boxers while some woman made rude gestures? Oh the torment. THe enemy, the terrorists, have beheaded innocent civilians. They blow up an entire Marriot hotel and kill large quantities of innocent civilians. They bomb subways and trains. They're animals with no sense of humanity. I think to treat them as someone we can reason with or show weakness to will only bring about our own defeat. They have shown no mercy, I don't see why we should either, even if it is the politically correct thing to do.

Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.

 

[DarkArtist81]

I understand your emotion, Scott, and I know that the person whom this thread is about deserves to be treated harshly for his crimes...

The problem is that they sometimes hold detainees without any evidence of their crimes being given. That way leads to profiling and reeks of ethnic cleansing...

Hey, if someone has been proven to be a terrorist... they deserve punishment. But if not, it's wrong to hold them. That's all I am saying.

 

[CelticPredator]

I'm pretty sure no one was thrown into Gitmo for wearing a turban. I can specifically recall an outlash by the public when some ignorant redneck shot a Shiek soon after 9/11, which just shows even when the US is victimized, we still believe in fairness and justice, which is why America is so awesome. And I know Shiek and Muslim are not same religion/culture, so hold back on calling me ignorant.

But come on, what is the point of this thread? Am I really supposed to feel sorry that some person with terrorist ties is being kept in solitary confinement in a prison? Boo frickin' hoo. Or that he had his picture taken while only in his boxers while some woman made rude gestures? Oh the torment. THe enemy, the terrorists, have beheaded innocent civilians. They blow up an entire Marriot hotel and kill large quantities of innocent civilians. They bomb subways and trains. They're animals with no sense of humanity. I think to treat them as someone we can reason with or show weakness to will only bring about our own defeat. They have shown no mercy, I don't see why we should either, even if it is the politically correct thing to do.

Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.

calm down a bit dude! Look, I can understand if a guy, was actually was proven to KILL the person, but just because he has ties to some terrorist, doesnt make him a terrorist...(going on about the family ties thing). What if someone you knew decided to blow up the white house? Should we put you in Gitmo because you knew that person?

And always...ALWAYS remember this...One man's terrorist, is another man's freedom fighter. (Not saying that these ^^^^s shouldnt get the kicked outta them...but make sure, they actually.....DID it.) (I didnt read the link anyway....just feel like making a point....

 

[Mesa]

I understand your emotion, Scott, and I know that the person whom this thread is about deserves to be treated harshly for his crimes...

The problem is that they sometimes hold detainees without any evidence of their crimes being given. That way leads to profiling and reeks of ethnic cleansing...

Hey, if someone has been proven to be a terrorist... they deserve punishment. But if not, it's wrong to hold them. That's all I am saying.

Of course I would never stand for or support ethnic cleansing. I think that's one of the reasons we originally went to war for in Iraq, to try and prevent such atrocities. I wouldn't even kid or suggest such a thing was occurring.

I know the system isn't perfect, and there is probably a small minority of that population that really shouldn't be there because their involvement may have been insignificant. It's unfortunate. But we are not a perfect machine, we can't work in absolutes, we're humans and we will make mistakes.

But as bad as things are in the world today, I still trust that my government performed an evaluation to the best of their abilities and the evidence that was available to them, and only locked up people deemed as risks to the national security of the United States. While Bush is a bumbling idiot, he doesn't want his legacy to also include a holocaust and genocide.

Like I said, there are probably a few people that don't belong there. I'm sure that if we looked in our own prison systems, there are also a few prisoners that also didn't commit the crimes they were committed of. We hear news stories about that every once in awhile, "Man jailed for 30 years is deemed innocent due to new DNA tests." ^^^^ happens. There's no getting around it. But I would much rather our government and our military ere on the side of caution rather than plitical correctness when dealing with people that want to kill us and our way of life.

 

[CelticPredator]

Would you feel the same if you were the person in there?

 

[Bannister]

Of course I would never stand for or support ethnic cleansing. I think that's one of the reasons we originally went to war for in Iraq, to try and prevent such atrocities. I wouldn't even kid or suggest such a thing was occurring.

I know the system isn't perfect, and there is probably a small minority of that population that really shouldn't be there because their involvement may have been insignificant. It's unfortunate. But we are not a perfect machine, we can't work in absolutes, we're humans and we will make mistakes.

But as bad as things are in the world today, I still trust that my government performed an evaluation to the best of their abilities and the evidence that was available to them, and only locked up people deemed as risks to the national security of the United States. While Bush is a bumbling idiot, he doesn't want his legacy to also include a holocaust and genocide.

Like I said, there are probably a few people that don't belong there. I'm sure that if we looked in our own prison systems, there are also a few prisoners that also didn't commit the crimes they were committed of. We hear news stories about that every once in awhile, "Man jailed for 30 years is deemed innocent due to new DNA tests." ^^^^ happens. There's no getting around it. But I would much rather our government and our military ere on the side of caution rather than plitical correctness when dealing with people that want to kill us and our way of life.

Haven't you watched The Shawshank Redemption? Everyone in prison is innocent.

 

[Mesa]

calm down a bit dude! Look, I can understand if a guy, was actually was proven to KILL the person, but just because he has ties to some terrorist, doesnt make him a terrorist...(going on about the family ties thing).

man, I wish I knew how old you were. I know you're a minor from previous discussion, I'm just wondering what your age was 7 years ago. I think it's awesome that you participate in these threads and provide a young perspective, I need that to see what the youth of today thinks about the world today. BUT... I can't help but wonder if you take the terrorists situation as seriously as you should, as we all should, because you may have been a bit young to truely appreciate what occurred on 9/11 and how much our world changed on that day. I used to not care about "the enemy." I was born a few years after Vietnam war ended and I was in highschool or jr. highschool when Berlin wall came down, so while I was old enough to remember it, I never really realized the fear when Cuba had nuclear missles pionting at the United States. Today, the threat is tangible.

What if someone you knew decided to blow up the white house? Should we put you in Gitmo because you knew that person?

YES, I would absolutely report it if ANYONE I knew mentioned about the intent to blow up a governmental institution. I'm not sure, but I think it would be required by law. One of the lessons of 9/11 was to report any suspicious activity, which this would certainly qualify for.

And always...ALWAYS remember this...One man's terrorist, is another man's freedom fighter. (Not saying that these ^^^^s shouldnt get the kicked outta them...but make sure, they actually.....DID it.) (I didnt read the link anyway....just feel like making a point....

I can see what you're saying here, although I don't agree with it. Earlier, BarbL was trying to convince me our founding fathers were terrorists against the British 200 years ago. I think that argument is ludicrous. Last time I took a history class, I wasn't aware of any indepedent nations that we were requiring them to pay us taxes in fear of military threat. In fact, I think the US does the complete opposite and feels it's their job to go out and defend nations/people/races that can't defend themselves on the US's dime. The most recent Georgia/Russia incident is a perfect example of where we probably shouldn't get involved, but probably will.

 

[Mesa]

Would you feel the same if you were the person in there?

If I was in prison there for trying to commit or aid terrorists acts against the United States, I'd probably want to be released too. Same as if I was in prison for murdering an individual or a bunch of individuals, I'd still want to be released. Does that mean I should be?

I'm not sure I get your point here.

 

[Bannister]

If I was in prison there for trying to commit or aid terrorists acts against the United States, I'd probably want to be released too. Same as if I was in prison for murdering an individual or a bunch of individuals, I'd still want to be released. Does that mean I should be?

I'm not sure I get your point here.

He means if you were one of the few who you said are probably innocent.

 

[Bodie The Cursed]