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Dune released 1965
Herbert died at 65
Herbert died at 65
Dune Part Two (October 20th, 2023)
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They conveniently avoided showing it, although I'm sure there's a 20-page long description of it in the book.
Loved Part Two, but still no mention of the guild navigators. Bummer.
Ah, according to Google they're not really discussed in the books until Messiah. The first movie mentions them once in an educational recording at the beginning. I was just hoping to see what they actually look like in Denis' mind. Guess I'll have to wait.
I really ought to sit down and read these things.
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jye4ever
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Pretty sick ending!
Paul easily could’ve sat with the other houses and explained what the emperor/harkonen/witches had done to his family.
Nope lol
He called for an all out Holy war, sick!
Stilgar is like “More death Hell yeah!”
This **** is legit modern Bible epic from Hollywoods 50s era!
Dune 1, really good!
Dune 2 one of the best ever!
Paul easily could’ve sat with the other houses and explained what the emperor/harkonen/witches had done to his family.
Nope lol
He called for an all out Holy war, sick!
Stilgar is like “More death Hell yeah!”
This **** is legit modern Bible epic from Hollywoods 50s era!
Dune 1, really good!
Dune 2 one of the best ever!
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One thing Lynch had were those Guild Navigators.
How was Walken? How was Joy?
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Walken reserved but perfectly arrogant, cold and calculating but not wacky and boisterous.
Joy was not in it enough to even rate, Furiosa will have to suffice for now.
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The core Dune narrative, IMHO, simply translate better as a book. Even with a massive recut ( like The Godfather Saga) where VIlleneuve gets a chance to combine both films with added footage, I'm still not sure you can do more than touch on key points that can only be developed fully within the scope of a novel.
Even the Spice Diver Edit of the original can only raise more questions than give answers. To really encapsulate Herbert, I think the only pathway is to have a multiple season animated series. Obviously adult mainstream audiences are usually resistant to something like that unfortunately. For scale and scope, you'd need something akin to Legend Of Galactic Heroes ( Ginga Eiyuu) Dune in the framework of LOGH is simply non marketable.
The way I see it, what's the most impressive is Villeneuve's huge balls here. This could have easily been a career killer for him. And he decided to take on what is close to impossible to translate. This is a no doubt passion project. It probably hurt Villeneuve more to make some practical cuts to his version than it was for many Herbert fans to have to see it happen.
IMHO, the "win" here is that these films re-open massive interest in the Dune novels to an entire new generation. This was the indirect best homage from Villeneuve to Herbert. Just some thoughts.
I have have a small gripe.
The ending felt a tad anticlimactic.
easy to beat the bad guys. If it just ended and there was not going to be a part three I would have been like.. huh? That’s it?
Now it’s a minor gripe because everything else is great but the Battle at Pelennor Field this was not.
First 15 min of this is a great watch and fills in a few blanks… like that damn bull’s head and the matador sculpture
and why are we in the future but no computers. I’m looking forward to a rewatch with some better understanding of the cultures and history.
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Well…you’re not wrong.
Overwhelming force I guess.
The fremen should’ve just over ran the Harkonen with the worms before Paul was even a thing.
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How does movie Emperor compare to book Emperor?
Walken's version feels subtly arrogant but ultimately meek, like the reality doesn't live up to the legend. Is that the vibe in the book as well? He's just a man like any other?
As always, he was Walken. Totally took me out of the movie. He gives Malkovich a run for his money as best self-parody. Had no idea who he and Pugh were supposed to be other than their emperor of the universe titles.
Overall the movie felt slow, self-important and more like a style exercise than great storytelling - eternally bogged down in am-I-the-chosen-one boredom l(ike the SW PT) with poor Javier Bardem like John Hurt's Oxley from Indy 4 (crazy homeless believer) and if there was a single moment of humor/levity in that near-three hours, I indeed missed it. Villeneuve and Nolan really should have done that standup class 25 years ago.
Just muddled - the ending with baldy Elvis-the-knife being a case in point (he's just standing in the background, having gone with his uncle, suddenly he's fighting for the emporer he's never met?), following the most anticlimactic final battle I've seen in a while, where the underdogs suddenly seem to become the favorites five minutes later. And the Zendaya moment at the very end is just plain silly/confected (no spoliers, but no way she would have believed what Timothy says to Walken re Pugh excpt as an expedient bluff.)
Visually stunning even if the blown-out, desaturated look was waaay overused, like five hours of "300" in one sitting, and it almost wasted some of the stellar locations and FX. Some really well done sequences but overall this was Avatar Desert Edition to me, with a man-juice sacred well standing in for the tree o' life or whatever that Jim Cameron jungle hokum was. And poor Dave Bautista - it was like Villeneuve decided they had to clear the villain decks for Elvis so poor ol Dave had to be turned from badass to total wuss.
Missed the Spice Navigator that Lynch did so well, and did kinda feel like Baron Harkonnen was a bit more fun in Lynch's version. You can see why they chose Lynch way back when - when your hero is teamed up with his pregnant mother who's in active conversation with her unborn foetus, people are telepathically whispering and you got a morbidly obese pustule as your villain, Lynch is your man.
And yes I do bring up Lynch due to Villeneuve's fun homage to DL, ants and all.
Again it’s a small gripe… but it did prevent me from giving it 10/10
9/10 will have to do
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I’m working on my response to Felinx please stand by lolAgain it’s a small gripe… but it did prevent me from giving it 10/10
9/10 will have to do
Did you read it
I need to respond before he corrupts Wor-Gar even worse lol
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