Ebola scaring anyone?

[cilantropants]

I do honestly and earnestly want an answer about what competent private citizens can do.

 

[devilof76]

How about you hold your horses, bub.

 

[devilof76]

For starters, airlines in a position to bear responsibility for their actions would find it in their interest to refuse service to high risk clientele. When that responsibility is deferred to an unaccountable body, there is no incentive for a common carrier to initiate defensive protocol.

Second, independent risk-monitoring agencies would have their reputations to maintain in the event that pandemic became a credible threat. Failure to accurately rate the severity and nature of such threats would be critical for such a company to maintain business.

Third, the last link in a situation like this would be treatment and containment. Anyone providing these kinds of services would know what's coming in the event that the first lines of defense were breached. Pharmaceutical companies caught unprepared would be pillaged by those who were. Once a genuine need was established for effective quarantine, those in a position to provide the service would (again) have reputation and accountability motivating their success.

In short, people will either accomplish the objectives which government usurps as their own, or not. The difference is that they will have a vested interest in success, whereas governments merely have to explain why it was impossible to do anything while simultaneously compelling financing for future uselessness.

So, common sense. Is that brave? Probably. Is it a facade?

 

[The Ween]

Didn't take long............

Ebola-quarantined U.S. nurse to sue in test of states' policies - Yahoo News

 

[Henry Morgan*]

 

[cilantropants]

How about you hold your horses, bub.

I wasn't rushing you, I was clarifying my intent.

For starters, airlines in a position to bear responsibility for their actions would find it in their interest to refuse service to high risk clientele. When that responsibility is deferred to an unaccountable body, there is no incentive for a common carrier to initiate defensive protocol.

Second, independent risk-monitoring agencies would have their reputations to maintain in the event that pandemic became a credible threat. Failure to accurately rate the severity and nature of such threats would be critical for such a company to maintain business.

Third, the last link in a situation like this would be treatment and containment. Anyone providing these kinds of services would know what's coming in the event that the first lines of defense were breached. Pharmaceutical companies caught unprepared would be pillaged by those who were. Once a genuine need was established for effective quarantine, those in a position to provide the service would (again) have reputation and accountability motivating their success.

In short, people will either accomplish the objectives which government usurps as their own, or not. The difference is that they will have a vested interest in success, whereas governments merely have to explain why it was impossible to do anything while simultaneously compelling financing for future uselessness.

So, common sense. Is that brave? Probably. Is it a facade?

That's all just vague and meaningless puffery. I'm never surprised by the answers when people who talk about how bad our government is at things, are pressed to be specific about where it's bad.

 

[fosing]

 

[devilof76]

That's all just vague and meaningless puffery. I'm never surprised by the answers when people who talk about how bad our government is at things, are pressed to be specific about where it's bad.

Perhaps to a pretentious, myopic child asking for a doctoral thesis on a toy forum. How obtuse can you be? Where it's bad? The disease is in the country and the Administration has its putter up its ass. The CDC can't even determine functional containment protocol for healthcare workers. You think that if a private entity were failing this miserably, there wouldn't be protesters having meltdowns at the front door of their CEO's mansion? You think that anyone who stood to profit by dealing with this successfully would opt for the fiddle over the fire extinguisher?

What planet do you live on?

 

[cilantropants]

You offered nothing but oblique rhetoric from what I'm guessing is based on some typically rigid libertarian posturing.
Money solves everything. Neat.

 

[crows]

 

[devilof76]

You offered nothing but oblique rhetoric from what I'm guessing is based on some typically rigid libertarian posturing.
Money solves everything. Neat.

Oblique to the obtuse. We can do this all day.

If you have a solution that does not require money (private or public---which was private, before it was expropriated) I'd like to hear it. All you seem to be capable of are snobbish dismissals that genuinely possess no content other than derision of a suspected opposing political stance.

I suppose all we need is love. Maybe throw faith, hope and charity in there too. That would be atypically flexible and properly deferential to bureaucratic omnipotence.

 

[YankeesFanboy]

I know it ain't sexy and all that, but she should really cover up. Wouldn't want her catching da Ebola.

 

[fosing]

that's false advertising. not only will she get ebola....she can get all the STI summer catalog.

 

[Mr. Green]

lol, guys...that's a halloween "Unique Costume Shop"

 

[devilof76]

 

[Mr. Green]

Still a waste of money. Would have been much simpler to just keep it out.

How do you just keep it out? I don't think it's that simple.

I understand someone has to pay for the research, but if it's still present and killing people I wouldn't call it a waste of money necessarily. Virus and deaths aside, the instability is cause for concern with effects not yet realized. There's always the moral question too.

You don't allow flights into the country from West Africa. And if that is too complex, you don't let them out.

And what is the 'moral question'?

If the poll question had been whether or not the CDC frightened me, my answer would have been yes.

What if people are coming from west Africa on an indirect route. If it was a viable option I think it would have been done, in a global economy I don't see that happening. Not letting them leave makes more sense. But if that were to happen then someone would have to house/look after them to some degree which takes time and money, who's gonna do that?

People will continue to go and help out of moral obligation, right or wrong. The US getting involved definitely has something to do with self interest along with the moral obligation.

this is a tricky circumstances.

on one hand, as a society, do we kick our own citizen/people out when they're weak/sick? follow the time tested mob mentality/psychology of witch hunting, Japanese concentration camp, etc? the needs of many out weight the needs of a few? that sound heroic in star trek but begs the question of morality or at least the cohesion of our society. this is one of many circumstances that will test us.

on the other hand, its so logical to wall ourselves off. extreme circumstances requires extreme measures?
"Good fences make good neighbors." - Robert Frost.
I just wonder if we're being proactively scared. this isn't a scientific poll but I am sure it reflect most people. but if we're not so scared why block off?


I think home quarantine is fine. they should have someone guarding the home. the govt can afford it and its fair to the public safety and the person quarantine. this is still possible as it is still early in this country.

I do honestly and earnestly want an answer about what competent private citizens can do.

be prepared. maybe buy some face mask, latex gloves, stuff that kill bacteria/virus for hand/body and living area. unless u want to spend time protesting the govt.

Oblique to the obtuse. We can do this all day.

If you have a solution that does not require money (private or public---which was private, before it was expropriated) I'd like to hear it. All you seem to be capable of are snobbish dismissals that genuinely possess no content other than derision of a suspected opposing political stance.

I suppose all we need is love. Maybe throw faith, hope and charity in there too. That would be atypically flexible and properly deferential to bureaucratic omnipotence.

yea it gonna cost. soldier over there now is costing us now. they're doing what they can; its not like we have ebola-type caliper every year to deal with. yea, they're far from perfect on how to handle the situation.

 

[crows]

 

[Henry Morgan*]

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BOUGHT!

I'm gonna wear that this friday

 

[Mr. Green]

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no disclaimer means the model comes with the purchase? *rubs hand*

 

[crows]

there's a guy version too