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It is global, but a U.S. collapse would be a much bigger problem for the world at large, and for Americans in particular.

I wonder sometimes which is worse: those who exaggerate the danger, or those who play it down.


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At what point did I "play it down"?
If the OP wants to understand all of the issues, the OP should focus on the global picture, not just the US, that is all my point was.
We have our issues, but there have been far worse issues abroad that other countries have already faced.


Who gives business to run all those Chinese factories... a lot of that is from the US. The US economy effects the rest of us as a whole. I totally agree. And the thing is things aren't going to get better. 80 percent of America's employment is service. It's a tough place to be in, but yeah we need America to survive this financial crisis, because if they don't it will make waves across the board. It has already.


And who else buys American debt? Just about every other country.

https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/tic/Documents/mfh.txt

We will survive. We have to, or else the entire global economy will get crushed.
 
This country started in debt, it's nothing new.

This is all conspiracy theory BS.
 
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At what point did I "play it down"?

You didn't. I just thought it was worth noting.

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We have our issues, but there have been far worse issues abroad that other countries have already faced.

I don't want to see America have to face those issues. We're not like other countries and I prefer to keep it that way.
 
Who gives business to run all those Chinese factories... a lot of that is from the US. The US economy effects the rest of us as a whole. I totally agree. And the thing is things aren't going to get better. 80 percent of America's employment is service. It's a tough place to be in, but yeah we need America to survive this financial crisis, because if they don't it will make waves across the board. It has already.

Hell just froze over. I agree with Eli! :thud:
 
Well, yeah, the United States ain't what it used to be. Nothing lasts forever.
 
Sadly, the U.S. has been sliding in a relative economic sense with other states for many years now, and this is a trend that is likely to continue. And in my view, it isn't because of government entitlements, a lack of tax breaks for billionaires, or even poor regulation of the banking industry. These things come and go in cycles, and are not fundamental, systemic problems that are going to ultimately dictate where the U.S. goes. Largely, it is because of a lack of appropriate investment in education which is the real engine of economic growth. Thomas Friedman talked about this in his "World is Flat" book. Competition in an increasingly global economy requires shifting priorities and realizing that you can't rest on our laurels. And this is a problem that proper policy--in terms of strategic investments in human capital--can help to rectify. U.S. politicians are too short sighted, focused on short-term crises that aren't going to matter much in the long-run. And the economic policies implemented don't properly account for relative shifts in economic power that is currently going on and will only become more dramatic as time goes forward.

I am gravely concerned about the future of this country because I don't think short-sighted politicians (elected by an even more short-sighted electorate) have any incentive or interest to act in the country's long-term interests. . .
 
Well, it would be a nice start if we stopped looking to entertainers like Glen Beck and Rachel Maddow for our political opinions and voted for people who were not exclusively driven by a need to obtain and maintain power. The U.S. public is ultimately responsible for whatever happens or fails to happen.
 
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Let's not turn this into a political thread...we all know what happens to those.
 
Sorry Jen. I meant it as a total rhetorical comment/joke. Im back for only a few posts and look at what I started. ;)


It sux America is declining. On the upside, everywhere is declining... have you seen the middle east lately. Everyone declining, except China that is.
 
Sadly, the U.S. has been sliding in a relative economic sense with other states for many years now, and this is a trend that is likely to continue... because of a lack of appropriate investment in education which is the real engine of economic growth...

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For economic growth, I agree. Education is very important.

But education as the engine for significant political change to get this country back on track and in the right direction, I'll have to disagree.
Even the most educated can be corrupted into thinking short-term for their own interests rather than for the interest and good of the people as a whole.

All presidents have highly educated pedigrees from some of the top IV League schools. Obama is from Harvard, Bush(with the help of his dad) got into Yale, etc
I think it's a matter of character. Though education is part of it, I think the lack of character is what's causing this country to go down.

This country was built on the backbone of immigrants from all over the world. Our parents and grandparents or great grandparents were immigrants that came to this country for a better opportunity-they had to work their ass off to survive. Nothing was given to them, and that gave them a backbone-it built their character. As they had kids, and their kids had kids, things were easier to come by because wealth was passed down from one generation to the next. We didn't have to work as hard as our grandparents and parents did because they paved the way for us. We got lazy, felt entitled, got complacent and rested on their laurels, and our characters got weak because of this.

Doesn't matter if you have a Harvard degree, or a degree from your local JC, Without a backbone and character, anyone can be bought and sold and lead the country in the wrong direction. And unfortunately, most of our political leaders are bought and sold by corporations, lobbyists and special interest groups. Our elected leaders can have the best education in the world, but if their characters are weak, then our country will be weak.


As for education for the masses, I agree it would help; but, the way that our political infrastructure is setup, the best qualified never make it as candidates. With a few exceptions to the rule, by and large it's usually only the wealthy individuals with the deepest pockets that make it as candidates for high gov offices. So even if you did educate the masses, and let's say the masses all had harvard degrees, if your only choices for president are wealthy people like Ross Perot, or Donald Trump, the country is still screwed. We need to change the politcal infrastructure to effect significant change, so that normal good hard-working smart americans with strong backbones can get elected and not just the rich.
 
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Well, it would be a nice start if we stopped looking to entertainers like Glen Beck and Rachel Maddow for our political opinions and voted for people who were not exclusively driven by a need to obtain and maintain power. The U.S. public is ultimately responsible for whatever happens or fails to happen.

I agree with that to a point, but when you have a choice between manure and ____, there isn't much you can do about it. We need a strong third party to shake things up, and I don't mean the tea party.

I absolutely agree with you on where people are getting thier opinions. It's sad that people take some of these news entertainers so seriously.
 
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