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pixletwin said:
Yeah but this was a toaster which had all of his personal information and hopes placed in. :lol

Eh? I'm not sure Obi-wan ever counted on seeing Artoo again. I would wager he never gave the droid a second thought. It was Anakin that seemed to actually care about the droids. I still love the fact that Vader stopped Boba Fett form blowing an enraged chebacca away because threepio was on his back (least thats the way I look at the scene now)
 
pixletwin said:
Luke: But you told me you never owned a R2D2.

Ben: R2D2 was owned by your father, Anakin, and was stolen buy me and given to the father of your sister, Bail Antilles. I never actually owned R2, I never said I didn't recognize him. You see Luke, what I told you was true, from a certain point of view.

:monkey5


Yes!:rotfl


Weren't there thousands of R2 units in the galaxy?? It probably looked like any other R2 unit.
 
I agree that there was probably nothing so unique about Artoo's appearance that Obi-Wan would immediately recognize it as THE droid from all those years ago, especially when he had no clue that the old gang was all back in the 'hood (or did he? hmmm... ;)).

BUT...

Having two droids, that so closely match the droids once owned by his one-time apprentice, suddenly show up at his desert abode in the company of THE SON of that very former apprentice, wouldn't one suppose that Obi-Wan might at least be a BIT suspicious?

:acme
 
RoboDad said:
I agree that there was probably nothing so unique about Artoo's appearance that Obi-Wan would immediately recognize it as THE droid from all those years ago, especially when he had no clue that the old gang was all back in the 'hood (or did he? hmmm... ;)).

BUT...

Having two droids, that so closely match the droids once owned by his one-time apprentice, suddenly show up at his desert abode in the company of THE SON of that very former apprentice, wouldn't one suppose that Obi-Wan might at least be a BIT suspicious?

:acme

Come on. I think it makes the story and Ben's character more interested to believe that he knew who R2 was. Makes the delivery of "Funny, I dont seem to remember ever owning a droid" seem more clever.
 
PosterBoyKelly said:
... He's cold before he finds out about Luke, than he seems to be refueled in ESB, because he knows his son lives. It gives him meaning. That's why I think Vader was always submissive, he just lost any care for anything since his fmaily died, so he becamse a cold killing machine.
Yes, that explains why Vader was Palpatine's lap dog. I could never comprehend why someone so powerful as Vader was actually a marionette of the emperor. So what you say makes sense, to me anyway.
 
Dr_Zaius said:
Okay, off the subject but along the same line.
In Jedi, Luke asks Lea if she remembered her mother, her real mother. She said yes but she died when she was very young. HOW???? Lea never knew her mother.
Probably force related...
Dr_Zaius said:
Also, in ESB, the ghost of Obi Wan tells Luke to go to Yoda the Jedi Master who had instructed him. I thought Qui Gon was his trainer.
:maul
Well, in a way Yoda has instructed Obi Wan. And Anakin. And so many other jedi's. Perhaps not as their appointed master, but I bet he has always helped and instructed where needed and wanted.
 
(sigh) :rolleyes:

Okay, listen carefully. Can you hear me in the back? Good...

1. Droids and Obi-wan: In ANH, when Obi discovered Luke and the droids in the Jundian Wastes, he was still intent on keeping Luke's lineage a closely-guarded secret. Any revelation of the origins and history of the droids could have led to an awkward series of questions from Luke, which, at some point, would have become very difficult to explain. Or, in the course of those explanations, Luke may have eventually become suspicious. Better to leave Luke completely in the dark by allowing him to believe that Obi-wan, too, is completely in the dark.

2. Emperor in the Dark: At the beginning of Empire Strikes Back, we can assume that the hunt for the Rebels, particularly Luke, has been a long, ongoing quest for the Empire by this point. Yet, by the time we reach the asteroid field and Vader is summoned to an audience with Palpatine, the Emperor gives Vader (and us) the impression that he has only recently discerned that this "new enemy" is the offspring of Vader. Ergo, we can assume that this Imperial quest for Luke has been underway all this time without the Emperor's knowledge. Vader's keeping it on the downlow because of his own hidden agenda.

Vader's own dodgy comments in his audience with the Emperor lend weight to this. He continually tries to deflect Palpatine from ordering the boy's death. To wit: "How is that possible?" "He's just a boy. Obi-wan can no longer help him." "If he can be turned,..." blah, blah, blah.

Frankly, I'm pretty sure that, once Vader discovered that Palpatine was onto Luke's existence, he pretty much crapped himself and was hastily trying to salvage his mission by keeping Luke alive. Whether he was doing this out of love for his son, or some darker, sinister agenda, is a subject for another debate...
 
Monk said:
Vader's own dodgy comments in his audience with the Emperor lend weight to this. He continually tries to deflect Palpatine from ordering the boy's death. To wit: "How is that possible?" "He's just a boy. Obi-wan can no longer help him." "If he can be turned,..." blah, blah, blah.

Interesting to note that he did the same things in his conversations with Tarkin regarding Leia.. Could he have known on some level who Leia was?

As for the rest of your comment, I give you a standing ovation sir. :clap :bow
 
I tried to leave the Leia/Tarkin/Vader triangle out of it, as my post was already long-winded. But, yes, I'm absolutely certain that the same thing occured there.
 
Monk said:
I tried to leave the Leia/Tarkin/Vader triangle out of it, as my post was already long-winded. But, yes, I'm absolutely certain that the same thing occured there.

:rock :rock :rock
 
Also remember the Emperor had a history of replacing his apprentice with a stronger one. (IE: Anakin-Vader defeating Dooku) The Emperor would have welcomed a contollable, more powerful than Vader, Luke to carry on his bidding. :emperor
 
Monk said:
(sigh) :rolleyes:

Okay, listen carefully. Can you hear me in the back? Good...

1. Droids and Obi-wan: In ANH, when Obi discovered Luke and the droids in the Jundian Wastes, he was still intent on keeping Luke's lineage a closely-guarded secret. Any revelation of the origins and history of the droids could have led to an awkward series of questions from Luke, which, at some point, would have become very difficult to explain. Or, in the course of those explanations, Luke may have eventually become suspicious. Better to leave Luke completely in the dark by allowing him to believe that Obi-wan, too, is completely in the dark.
(sigh):rolleyes:
I think you give Lucas too much credit on this one. I agree with you on the second point about Vader though.
 
Captain Aldeggon said:
Plus he refers to artoo as his "little friend," and eyes him with that knowing gaze. That sly Old Ben knows more than he lets on...........

Yeah, I agree as well... All of the PT just makes me enjoy Alec Guinness in ANH even more. That line makes me smile every time I hear it. Obi Wan knew he couldn't tell Luke everything at that moment. If he let anything slip it would only confuse and scare Luke, and push him to do something rash... ultimately leading him towards the Dark Side and the galaxy's ruin. He fudged the truth, telling his tale from "a certain point of view" as he put it... to give Luke a nudge out the door.

As for Palpatine and Vader.... I always liked the storyline they had going, especially after you knew Vader was Luke's Father. You see why Vader was so relentless in his assault on Hoth and why he pushed so hard for Palpatine to turn him to the Dark Side. It was a source of renewed strength in Vader, a glimmer of hope that he could transcend his metal prison and defeat the Emperor. The interesting thing is... that Palpatine knew it... yet still tried to play Luke into his hands, hoping he would defeat Vader. I guess that's why I like the ROTJ saber battle so much... it's the coolest double cross in sci fi history. Everyone came into that throne room with a different agenda.... And the fate of the galaxy hung in the balance, Luke being the Shatterpoint.
 
:rolleyes: (sigh) ;)

I've always been baffled by people who refuse to consider even the most rational explanations of Star Wars's more confusing plot points. It almost seems to me that these people actually want Lucas to be incompetent. Like it makes them more comfortable to believe that the creator of what is arguably the best and best-loved sci-fi film series of all time actually blundered through it, clueless and whimsical, as opposed to having a clear purpose.

I'm at a loss to explain why anyone would want that, though, so I'll assume it must be something else -- something I'm unable get my head around. Better, I think, to admit to my own inability to grasp something than to assume that someone else I don't know is merely stupid. :D
 
Monk said:
:rolleyes: (sigh) ;)

I've always been baffled by people who refuse to consider even the most rational explanations of Star Wars's more confusing plot points. It almost seems to me that these people actually want Lucas to be incompetent. Like it makes them more comfortable to believe that the creator of what is arguably the best and best-loved sci-fi film series of all time actually blundered through it, clueless and whimsical, as opposed to having a clear purpose.

I'm at a loss to explain why anyone would want that, though, so I'll assume it must be something else -- something I'm unable get my head around. Better, I think, to admit to my own inability to grasp something than to assume that someone else I don't know is merely stupid. :D
:lol :lol :lol
I am not saying your explanation doesn't make sense. I am saying you are giving Lucas too much credit. I don't believe for one second back when he was filming Star Wars in 76/77 that he was telling Alec Guinness that he needed to act a certain way in all his scenes because 30 years prior his character knew R2-D2 and had all sorts of adventures with him in the good old days of the Old Republic, yet he couldn't act like he knew R2 because he didn't want to freak out the poor old farm boy. Hell, if it was all planned out don't you think he would have at least told Luke that Leia was his sister to save him the embarassment of ogling her when he was watching R2's message for help. Of course that can be explained too, in that maybe in the Star Wars universe, incest wasn't frowned upon, so Obi Wan didn't think it was a big deal.:D
 
Bannister said:
Of course that can be explained too, in that maybe in the Star Wars universe, incest wasn't frowned upon, so Obi Wan didn't think it was a big deal.:D
Ok now here's the real question would an incestual baby by two Jedis be some sort of super Jedi or would the insest part cancel out the Jedi part and the kid would just be normal or would the kid end up like all other insest babies?


:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl
 
pixletwin said:
You guys...

Don't you read the scrawl at the beginning? It says that Vader is obsessed with finding Luke Skywalker. He knows who he is. None of this Smith and Jones crap. He didn't want the emperor to know about him and was trying to find him before the emperor found out so he could use Luke against the emperor.


I think the commentary also states that Vader was just playing dumb because he didn't want Sidious to know about his son.
 
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