"Fall of the Empire" Ewoks vs. Stormtrooper Diorama

[Deak Starkiller]

Everytime I see an ewok (or a product focusing on the little teddies) I always think back to how awesome the saga ending would have been had it been on the wookies home planet-- add the possibility of Han's death earlier due to the carbon freezing and an angered Chewbacca leading the charge with a desperate need for redemption Lando flying the Falcon-- with his ultimate sacrifice (and the MF's destruction as well) blowing up the Death Star and I sigh at what could have been...

I hate ewoks.

This man speaks the truth.

They certainly represent the line of demarcation for the saga. In fact, ROTJ as a whole does. It was all pretty much downhill from there.

I had to look that up.

A ROTJ without Harrison Ford would have been a far greater fail than what we ended up with.

I disagree, Han is played solely for comedy in ROTJ and doesn't have much to do in JEDI. He doesn't save Luke, he doesn't blow up the Death Star, hell he's the Marcus Brody of JEDI. His arch ended in Empire. And I like ROTJ, and have no problems with Ewoks...Wookies would have been cooler but eh, you take what you can get. ROTJ is still far superior than TPM, AOTC, and is slightly better than ROTS. IMO of course.

 

[Starkiller]

I would have been bummed if any of the three main heros died. I'm glad Han lived. It's what we got, it's the film. Lets focus on fixing the PT first.....since those SE still need to come out.

 

[IrishJedi]

Ahhh whatt!? ROTJ is the best movie in the saga.

Not at all. It's the clear point of Lucas' career where he started to lose it. But it's at least much better than the prequels and some of the annoying additions to the SEs.

ROTJ has more issues than just Ewoks. It was also the first SW film to dumb itself down by introducing childish bathroom humor (burp & fart jokes) and things like Chewbacca making the Tarzan yell. It comes very close to delving into parody at times. The lead actors almost unanimously sleep-walk through their roles, and the pacing is problematic. After a solid opening act the film essentially stalls in the middle (with the exception of the speederbike chase). It has issues. Aside from childhood nostalgia and/or generational sensibilities I'm honestly baffled that anyone thinks it's as good as the first two, much less better.

 

[kl241]

I remember going to see Jedi with my Dad who loved the first two and we were both dismayed by what a train wreck Jedi was. At the time I regarded it as the bastard step-child of Star Wars until Phantom Menace came along and made it look like a masterpiece.

 

[Khev]

ROTJ has issues (more than you mentioned in fact), but it still transcends them. Even if it coasts on the pixie dust of the first two films it still has that "magic." Is it as good as ANH or TESB? Heck no. But I'm sure most would still agree its a hell of a lot of fun.

 

[IrishJedi]

As I've said before I enjoy SW for what it is. The good and the bad. Both OT and PT have plenty of the same exact issues over the course of all six films. I don't take SW as serious as some and maybe thats why I tend to enjoy SW more than some folks who just get so hurt over things.

Who's hurt? I just got back from spending several days in Florida at a SW convention. I'd certainly have better things to do with my time if this wasn't something I ultimately still enjoy.

That said, I can't share your casual and pragmatic view of the whole thing. Not all Star Wars is created equal. There is a relative line of quality throughout the films, the EU, etc. I don't see what the problem is with people acknowledging this and discussing their views. It also doesn't mean they "take it too seriously", either. The discourse is relative. Most people realize that we're in a Star Wars forum on a collecting site. We're not here to solve real world issues.

 

[IrishJedi]

ROTJ has issues (more than you mentioned in fact), but it still transcends them. Even if it coasts on the pixie dust of the first two films it still has that "magic." Is it as good as ANH or TESB? Heck no. But I'm sure most would still agree its a hell of a lot of fun.

I don't disagree at all. I don't hate JEDI. In fact, I like it. But I still acknowedge that it has more issues and was overall a step down in quality over its predecessors. I still recall the review in the AJC when it came out, which essentially said, "The 3rd Star Wars film is here, and it's a 10 when compared to the usual Summer fare. The problem is, the first two were 15s."

And I still think it's tons better than the prequels, including ROTS which has at least twice as many issues, beginning with the problem that you don't give a crap about what happens to any of the characters unless you force yourself to.

 

[The Josh]

Who's hurt? I just got back from spending several days in Florida at a SW convention. I'd certainly have better things to do with my time if this wasn't something I ultimately still enjoy.

Some fans in general I suppose. They seem to act like certain things are done and it hurts them personally. Guess I don't take it that seriously. As far as spending time at a Con. Thats great! Shows a love for the subject or subjects. If I could have afforded it I would have been there as well.

That said, I can't share your casual and pragmatic view of the whole thing. Not all Star Wars is created equal. There is a relative line of quality throughout the films, the EU, etc. I don't see what the problem is with people acknowledging this and discussing their views. It also doesn't mean they "take it too seriously", either. The discourse is relative. Most people realize that we're in a Star Wars forum on a collecting site. We're not here to solve real world issues.

Guess its casual. No not all of it is. There are some parts of it that are eh but I just don't get worked up over it. I don't have a problem with people discussing it and have not said anything of the sort. However, some folks act like their favorite toy got stolen or like snobs about the topic (Carl you know I'm dead right about this too), and this isn't every fan but its sure a damn lot of SW fans at least. Thats why I tend to just stay out of it and enjoy it as I choose.

 

[The Josh]

And I still think it's tons better than the prequels, including ROTS which has at least twice as many issues, beginning with the problem that you don't give a crap about what happens to any of the characters unless you force yourself to.

See I disagree totally. ROTS is right there with ESB as far as my faves go. I watch ROTS and watch how Obi-Wan and Anakin interact. Thinking you can tell they have a great bond but are both just not doing enough to keep it together. I watch Anakin thinking ya know if I had to do something to save the one I loved even if it was the wrong decision I could see myself doing it. I very much care about the characters in ROTS.

 

[kl241]

See I disagree totally. ROTS is right there with ESB as far as my faves go. I watch ROTS and watch how Obi-Wan and Anakin interact. Thinking you can tell they have a great bond but are both just not doing enough to keep it together. I watch Anakin thinking ya know if I had to do something to save the one I loved even if it was the wrong decision I could see myself doing it. I very much care about the characters in ROTS.

That's my whole problem with the prequels. We NEVER get the impression that Anakin and Obi-Wan have any sort of bond or friendship and certainly not anything like Obi-Wan describes Anakin as a "good friend" in New Hope. Obi is always "Menaced" by Anakin since they first meet. They are constantly bickering. Obi is always disapproving of him and finally he tells Padme he is going to kill him after Order 66. The portrayal of Anakin in the prequels is flawed from start to finish. If Anakin had been a revered and respected member of the Jedi council and had a tragic fall from grace we could empathize but instead he's just a whiny selfish brat who we can't wait to see Obi-Wan strike down.

 

[Puay]

Anyone has got names of the 3 Ewoks?

 

[The Josh]

Maybe you don't get that impression but I did at least. So thats why I like that interaction between the two. Thats why I actually feel sad when they have to fight it out in the end because of the choices made. I also understand Obi-Wan feeling the way he does after cutting Anakin up.

Of course this is just me.

 

[nash]

Anyone has got names of the 3 Ewoks?

Im pretty sure it's Fail, Pass, and WTF.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Im pretty sure it's Fail, Pass, and WTF.

 

[Valfar]

That's my whole problem with the prequels. We NEVER get the impression that Anakin and Obi-Wan have any sort of bond or friendship and certainly not anything like Obi-Wan describes Anakin as a "good friend" in New Hope. Obi is always "Menaced" by Anakin since they first meet. They are constantly bickering. Obi is always disapproving of him and finally he tells Padme he is going to kill him after Order 66. The portrayal of Anakin in the prequels is flawed from start to finish. If Anakin had been a revered and respected member of the Jedi council and had a tragic fall from grace we could empathize but instead he's just a whiny selfish brat who we can't wait to see Obi-Wan strike down.

What about this..

"You were my brother Anakin, i loved you"

You do get the impression in ROTS that they've previously been through a lot together and they have a good bond even though its not really apparent through out the film.

 

[Shropt]

Wow, that would have been an amazing film. It's quite hysterical that the stupid Empire could crumble thanks to these little furballs. If you really think about it, next to the ending of ANH where Luke fires a tiny shot into a 2 meter hole and destroys an entire space station, the idea of Ewoks really isn't that bad...

Also don't forget that the Empire was started with a Gungan!

 

[Darth Waller]

Also don't forget that the Empire was started with a Gungan!

 

[Socko]

I think that this is a pretty cool Dio. Ok, it's not for me and i won't be getting one, but a well executed dio none the less.

I think it's the most hilarious diorama I've seen so far. It's so silly that it is fun.
I might even buy it.

 

[galactiboy]

I do wonder what the price will be... the Dio series always seems a bit overpriced to me. Also, they tend to tank on the secondary market, so even though I want this piece I'll likely wait until after its been out for awhile.

 

[Deckard]

It perfect because it encompasses the entire story of Star Wars.

A cool conecpt that was destroyed by poor planning and Teddy bears.