Favorite Superhero Movie of Summer 2012? (don't vote till you've seen em all please)

[devilof76]

Who? Flash? He'll take exactly four seconds to introduce.

Martian Manhunter? His own movie? Zzzzzzzzz.....zzzzzzzzzzzzz....zzzzzzzzzz....

Aquaman? I don't even think they should include him, personally.

There are three characters you need to carry a JLA movie and there is not one of them who needs an introduction to the general public. At most, I could see a Wonder Woman movie being helpful (and if they do that, they had better make it a damn good one). Right now, the success of JLA hinges on the success of Man of Steel. If that one fails, they can hang it up now.

 

[thenammagazine]

Who? Flash? He'll take exactly four seconds to introduce.

Martian Manhunter? His own movie? Zzzzzzzzz.....zzzzzzzzzzzzz....zzzzzzzzzz....

Aquaman? I don't even think they should include him, personally.

There are three characters you need to carry a JLA movie and there is not one of them who needs an introduction to the general public. At most, I could see a Wonder Woman movie being helpful (and if they do that, they had better make it a damn good one). Right now, the success of JLA hinges on the success of Man of Steel. If that one fails, they can hang it up now.

Superman and Batman definitely need to be established. An epic Wonder Woman film in the scale of Clash of the Titans and maybe an Aquaman in the vein of Thor would be enough to set up a JLA that could compete with Avengers.

 

[The Josh]

For it to be the success they're hoping for, they're going to need to attract more than just the comic book nerds. And that requires investing in more characters in solo films to build audience investment in the franchise.

That's what was I getting at. If they want avengers like success they need the casual movie goer to feel invested. If they don't it will make a nice chunk of change but not to the level dc/wb will want to see.

 

[devilof76]

Superman and Batman definitely need to be established. An epic Wonder Woman film in the scale of Clash of the Titans and maybe an Aquaman in the vein of Thor would be enough to set up a JLA that could compete with Avengers.

How much more established do Superman and Batman need to be?

But you guys are probably right. The only way to do something is to do it the exact same way the people before them did it.

 

[thenammagazine]

How much more established do Superman and Batman need to be?

But you guys are probably right. The only way to do something is to do it the exact same way the people before them did it.

People have to be invested in the actors as the heroes. WB wants this to be their Avengers and without that investment, it's not happening.

 

[The Josh]

How much more established do Superman and Batman need to be?

But you guys are probably right. The only way to do something is to do it the exact same way the people before them did it.

New versions need to be established. If not they should just make the jla movie basing it of Chris reeves superman, bales batman, Carter's Wonder Woman, etc. Then let the chips fall where they may and wonder why they didn't have the succes on any level the avengers did.

 

[wofford29]

It's going to be a lot tougher to bring together the DC worlds than it was for the Avengers. Outside of Thor you're in the same world. I'd almost say cut out Aquaman to get rid of that element and have your Green Lantern and Martian Manhunter as your Thor element to go along with the big three.

 

[devilof76]

And it will take years to accomplish. Man of steel, Wonder Woman, whoever else, Batman last, and then JLA.

People have to be invested in the actors as the heroes. WB wants this to be their Avengers and without that investment, it's not happening.

New versions need to be established. If not they should just make the jla movie basing it of Chris reeves superman, bales batman, Carter's Wonder Woman, etc. Then let the chips fall where they may and wonder why they didn't have the succes on any level the avengers did.

That's just bet hedging (what Marvel did). If the movie is good enough, it will have no trouble whatsoever. Marvel's characters lacked familiarity with the public. DC's do not.

Did Peter Jackson have to make an Aragorn movie, a Gandalf movie, a Legolas movie, a Gimli movie, a Boromir movie, a hobbits movie, etc. before unleashing three 2.5+ hour films over three years to get people in those seats?

 

[thenammagazine]

Did Peter Jackson have to make an Aragorn movie, a Gandalf movie, a Legolas movie, a Gimli movie, a Boromir movie, a hobbits movie, etc. before unleashing three 2.5+ hour films over three years to get people in those seats?

Failed comparison. Peter Jackson wasn't combining characters who pre-existed in successful solo licenses.

 

[devilof76]

What does it matter? No one knew who any of them were, the cast was stuffed full of characters with vast histories, and it still worked fine.

LOTR's success had nothing to do with the pre-established fan base. The success of those films was the result of people who had never read the books being blown away by the first movie.

 

[The Josh]

That's just bet hedging (what Marvel did). If the movie is good enough, it will have no trouble whatsoever.

Did Peter Jackson have to make an Aragorn movie, a Gandalf movie, a Legolas movie, a Gimli movie, a Boromir movie, a hobbits movie, etc. before unleashing three 2.5+ hour films over three years to get people in those seats?

They're being smart IMO.

Not even the same thing. All those characters are a part of the same story in the same world. Plus he made three movies that did better than the last BO wise because for the casual fan by the third one they were fully invested in the story/characters.

Edit: a jla movie would probably do ok without people being invested but if you can invest people more in the characters a jla movie will do better.

 

[thenammagazine]

What does it matter? No one knew who any of them were, the cast was stuffed full of characters with vast histories, and it still worked fine.

LOTR's success had nothing to do with the pre-established fan base. The success of those films was the result of people who had never read the books being blown away by the first movie.

The irrationality your using in these arguments is tantamount to that of IronLungs or VS1976. Slow day?

 

[devilof76]

I'm sorry, did you say something?

 

[devilof76]

All those characters are a part of the same story in the same world.

Unlike Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman in a Justice League story.

 

[thenammagazine]

I'm sorry, did you say something?

 

[The Josh]

They're all a part of the same universe within the comics. However, within the movie verse they've never been tied together at all. For us that won't matter but to reach über success they need to tie them together for the casual movie fan.

 

[devilof76]

The way they did for The Fellowship of the Ring?

 

[The Josh]

The way they did for The Fellowship of the Ring?

There's no comparison to anything with middle-earth, how Jackson took Tolkiens work putting it to the big screen, and a jla movie. It's apples and oranges.

 

[devilof76]

Whatever you say bub.

 

[IrishJedi]

We're not going to get individual films before the JLA film. Man of Steel and maybe a Batman and/or Wonder Woman film, but that's it. Everything else will be spun off from JLA, including a GL sequel should Reynolds be a part of it.