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Laughable about Fifa getting offended about the word 'p***' (or whatever the correct spelling is)

They should sit in my stand at games, they'd feint at the abuse being thrown.
 
It's good to hear an Italian perspective, all I've been hearing at the moment are British pundits. If he's getting slaughtered then rightly so, surely you would stick with the same team that won you 3 points rather than making changes. Interesting as to why he did that, I guess the 3-1 Costa Rica win influenced him heavily. Fair enough I guess, but still puzzling.

And to be honest, he deserves to get slaughtered for the Cassano sub alone. :lol I don't expect to see him in the next match. Why isn't El Shaarawy in the squad? Wasn't he performing well for Milan or is he injured?

El Shaarawy was injured for most if last season and unfortunately his race for full fitness was in vain as it was too late...shame because he is another promising young talent.

If your familiar with Italian football you'll know that they never make life easy for themselves in a tournament and are renowned slow starters but yesterday's performance was dyer!!! :gah:

I really don't think Italy can play any worse than they did yesterday so upwards and onwards...:)
 
Ah, gotcha.

Yeah I heard a stat that this is the third tournament in a row or something where Italy lost or failed to win their second group match. But hey, anything can happen in the third match. :)
 
I really don't get all the hate for England. They're a fair and gracious team, and on balance England have always fielded fair and gracious teams. I'm disappointed they didn't get past their group.

The whole footballing ethos of the country is stuck in a timewarp, it's like they think that the same methods that brought them success in 1966 will still work today.

The game has moved on, honest grafters with little to no technical ability won't get the job done.

Most of the time England struggle to do basic things like stringing a few passes together so playing like the top international sides is simply beyond them. Holland have Total Football, Spain has Tiki Taka.....England have Crappy Crappy.

England fans have been quick to mock Spain's demise but the only time they've got anywhere close to the quality of football played by Spain and Barcelona in recent years is on a videogame.

The whole obsession with fair play and being dignified in defeat is also a factor in why they can't progress in the right direction.

Every successful team bends the rules to some degree and they also have a strong team spirit, England tend to fold under the first bit of pressure and seem to revel in their failures....Steven Gerrard actually said he was proud of their performance against Italy, even though they lost :cuckoo:

If that negative mentality had been commonplace during WW2 we'd now be part of Germany.

On top of all that there's the ridiculous hype from the English media and the overblown sense of entitlement from some of the fans, many of whom spend more time being abusive about certain players because of the club they play for than actually getting behind the national team.

The cycle has been repeating itself for so long now that it's beyond tiresome. I wrote them off as a lost cause over a decade ago.

Football is a beautiful game, but you wouldn't think so watching England.
 
Wow. That. Is. Really. Depressing.

Australia's vibe is completely different. The draw put paid to any expectations that the team might win a game, and the focus was on a young side preparing for the 2018 World Cup. But plucky defeats have put everybody in a really good mood - the sheer relief that the side wasn't embarrassed by the Netherlands was palpable. The media is now even talking up chances of beating the poor Spanish, even without the lead (and pretty much only truly capable) goal scorer; but if the side cops a pasting in the final game, most people I'd imagine would be happy they managed to score at all in the whole tournament.
 
England fans are disgusted because they used to be a guaranteed last 16 team and often quarter finals.

They need more time to get used to sheer mediocrity or even outright crapness, like Irish fans :lol
 
Well, actually come to think of it at least some members of Irish football punditry expect more than the team ever gives and I guess I don't exactly celebrate the stalemate draws either.
 
Wow. That. Is. Really. Depressing.

Australia's vibe is completely different. The draw put paid to any expectations that the team might win a game, and the focus was on a young side preparing for the 2018 World Cup. But plucky defeats have put everybody in a really good mood - the sheer relief that the side wasn't embarrassed by the Netherlands was palpable. The media is now even talking up chances of beating the poor Spanish, even without the lead (and pretty much only truly capable) goal scorer; but if the side cops a pasting in the final game, most people I'd imagine would be happy they managed to score at all in the whole tournament.

Expectations are different.

Soccer isn't the number one game in Australia, it's not an integral part of their sporting culture.

Because England was where the game was invented and because they got lucky on home soil almost 50 years ago there's this ridiculous belief from the hardcore fans that they have a God given right to remain a footballing power long after it's been proven otherwise.

The popularity of the Premier League only serves to inflate this false sense of entitlement as it's been built on the backs of big name foreign imports who're here for the money that our top teams can pay.
 
It shouldn't be though. Most of the best players in that league are from outside of Great Britain let alone England.

Exactly.

Expectations are different.

Soccer isn't the number one game in Australia, it's not an integral part of their sporting culture.

Because England was where the game was invented and because they got lucky on home soil almost 50 years ago there's this ridiculous belief from the hardcore fans that they have a God given right to remain a footballing power long after it's been proven otherwise.

The popularity of the Premier League only serves to inflate this false sense of entitlement as it's been built on the backs of big name foreign imports who're here for the money that our top teams can pay.

This may sound crazy, but do you think England winning the World Cup in '66 has been more of a curse than a positive?
 
Expectations are different.

Soccer isn't the number one game in Australia, it's not an integral part of their sporting culture.

Because England was where the game was invented and because they got lucky on home soil almost 50 years ago there's this ridiculous belief from the hardcore fans that they have a God given right to remain a footballing power long after it's been proven otherwise.

The popularity of the Premier League only serves to inflate this false sense of entitlement as it's been built on the backs of big name foreign imports who're here for the money that our top teams can pay.

Sad indeed. In the spirit of the historical relationship that binds our two nations, I offer this memento, a minute-by-minute account of the last time they met on a football pitch.
(Spoiler: it doesn't end well for England)
 
Exactly.



This may sound crazy, but do you think England winning the World Cup in '66 has been more of a curse than a positive?

In some ways it has because constantly being compared to that side just adds to the pressure but it's nearly 50 years ago now, so many generations of players have come and gone that you would think some of the mistakes would have been learned from by now but the cycle just goes on and on.

I was talking about it with my Dad and he says the biggest difference with modern England teams is that they never seem able to decide on a settled team and system, they're still experimenting right up to the final friendlies before tournaments start whereas the teams that traditionally do well have all that sorted out before qualifying starts.
 
In some ways it has because constantly being compared to that side just adds to the pressure but it's nearly 50 years ago now, so many generations of players have come and gone that you would think some of the mistakes would have been learned from by now but the cycle just goes on and on.

I was talking about it with my Dad and he says the biggest difference with modern England teams is that they never seem able to decide on a settled team and system, they're still experimenting right up to the final friendlies before tournaments start whereas the teams that traditionally do well have all that sorted out before qualifying starts.

Interesting. Just another thing as an outsider looking in, although there's obviously pressure from fans it seems most of the hype comes from the media and pundits. Most fans (especially some of you guys on the boards) seem to be much more realistic with expectations.

Sad indeed. In the spirit of the historical relationship that binds our two nations, I offer this memento, a minute-by-minute account of the last time they met on a football pitch.
(Spoiler: it doesn't end well for England)

:yess:
 
Interesting. Just another thing as an outsider looking in, although there's obviously pressure from fans it seems most of the hype comes from the media and pundits. Most fans (especially some of you guys on the boards) seem to be much more realistic with expectations.



:yess:

The way the media behave is at times an utter disgrace, they always latch onto any young player that has a few decent games for their club, build them up as the next "savior" and then destroy them when they can't live up to the insane expectations,

The first time I remember it happening was with Paul Gascoigne but it has happened to so many players since I can't even remember them all and it's a miracle that there haven't been more cases of players having some kind of breakdown as eventually happened with Gazza.

Pundits are usually ex-players so you would think that they would be more realistic but I suppose they don't want to be seen to rock the boat and risk losing an easy payday so most of them play safe.

EDIT
Iran holding Argentina to 0-0?

The odds for that are probably as high as Fellaini outscoring Ronaldo at this stage of the competition.
 
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