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thenammagazine said:
Unfortunately it makes perfect sense. See my post at 12:54pm. BTW, an update. Wouldn't give me the name but said that the number of the product was under #20.
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No, actually it makes no sense at all. Collectors of 12" figures routinely buy individual parts, because they have value in and of themselves. They can be used with other versions of a character, custom head casts of the character, or even with other unrelated figures. They are, to a large degree, interchangeable.

That is not the case here, at all. The parts can ONLY be used as part of this particular diorama piece, and no one would have any interest in buying it in pieces. The mindset of statue collectors is very different from that of posable figure collectors. In fact, my guess is that selling it in parts would net far less than selling it mint in the original package. I know that I would have no interest in it at all under those circumstances, unless the discount was huge.
 
RoboDad said:
No, actually it makes no sense at all. Collectors of 12" figures routinely buy individual parts, because they have value in and of themselves. They can be used with other versions of a character, custom head casts of the character, or even with other unrelated figures. They are, to a large degree, interchangeable.

That is not the case here, at all. The parts can ONLY be used as part of this particular diorama piece, and no one would have any interest in buying it in pieces. The mindset of statue collectors is very different from that of posable figure collectors. In fact, my guess is that selling it in parts would net far less than selling it mint in the original package. I know that I would have no interest in it at all under those circumstances, unless the discount was huge.
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But if you're desperate enough, you'll bid like crazy to get all the components for the single piece. Again, I refer you back to the Han Solo blaster/holster/belt auction. It went into a bidding frenzy and fetched more than the whole. Someone buys pieces to put together the whole. And with the current hype surrounding this piece, which is apparent by the piece already listed for $800, it stands to reason one can easily get carried away bidding on the separate parts to the point where the sum of them all fetch more than the whole would. Winning the Frankenstein's Monster/base part for $500 seems like less of a blow as does scoring the Wolfman for $400 when compared to the overall $800 asking price. But combined, it fetches more. There's also the problem of winning the base part then NEEDING the Wolfman. You're almost forced to bid and win to complete the dio which could fetch even more. You may not agree, and I think he's a prick for even trying it, but it doesn't change the fact that people actually do it all the time.

Anyway, I replied that he better offload it now in the $300-$500 range, preferring to start the bidding at $300 because when the hype's over, it won't be worth more than $200, the retail value and shipping. So we'll see if he takes my advice...whoever YOU are....:mad:.
 
It isn't just that I disagree. I am part of the target collector demographic for this piece, and I would not consider bidding on it in anything less than MIB condition -- the whole piece, intact. And, from my experience, other collectors of similar pieces have a similar mindset.

Your Han Solo blaster example only reinforces my point. That was a set of parts from a posable 12" figure, not a statue. And, for whatever reason, someone wanted just that set of parts, either for use with another Han Solo figure, or to replace something that was damaged during posing and/or customization of their figure. None of those activities apply to statues.

I'm not saying that people don't do stupid things. This is, after all, eBay we're talking about. eBay and stupid people go together like peanut butter and jelly. But when it comes to statue collectors, the one single concern that seems to outweigh all others is the MIB factor. Having sold numerous statues and PFs on eBay, I can attest that I have not been asked any single question more often than that one. And a statue sold in parts would definitely NOT be MIB.
 
RoboDad said:
It isn't just that I disagree. I am part of the target collector demographic for this piece, and I would not consider bidding on it in anything less than MIB condition -- the whole piece, intact. And, from my experience, other collectors of similar pieces have a similar mindset.

But when it comes to statue collectors, the one single concern that seems to outweigh all others is the MIB factor.
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I feel much as RoboDad does in the fact that I don't really want some grubby money hungry scalper taking one of only fifty prized collectibles apart to sell as parts. This whole story just shocks and incenses me! I too would like to end up finally picking up one of these as unopened, MIB, or at the most opened to inspect for damage only. I am very disheartened that there are predators out there trying to make huge money for absolutely no effort, on the backs of genuine enthusiastic collectors such as RoboDad any myself. As well as others who are around looking to add this piece to their collections. Not trying to say I am entitled to the piece. Just that I am very eager to add it to my very small, humble, and PERMANENT collection.

Again, why buy it if you don't want it? (Don't answer that, I know why)

More of my two cents. Still :( I may never have the chance to possess this fine diorama. And a really sad footnote, is that I can say with all honesty that I just finished watching Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man for about the fifth day in a row. So there. I need help!

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Granted, but if you take it out to make sure it's not broken, it's no longer MIB. It becomes complete w/box. For that matter, if you nab all the pieces from the auction, including the box, how would anyone else know it wasn't complete to begin with? It's not like the individual pieces are given the edition number (which isn't a bad idea). I just found out that the prick who sold me my second PZ did that. He bought the figure loose, then the box, and sold it to me as "complete w/box." To be honest, I never would've known the difference.

And Fury, you're a masochist. Stop torturing yourself and get help before you dress up in bondage, bite into a gag ball and start doing Paul Ruben-ish things to yourself while watching it. You don't want to have palms furrier than the Wolfman anyway.
 
thenammagazine said:
Granted, but if you take it out to make sure it's not broken, it's no longer MIB. It becomes complete w/box...
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I disagree! It most certainly is MIB, but is no longer MISB. Almost all collectors of Sideshow statues know that the products needs to be inspected upon receipt in case of damage. They accept that as being a mint undisplayed piece, but still opened for inspection. Whenever someone on eBay lists an "unopened" piece, most collectors ask if they will open and inspect it before shipping to make sure there is no damage. From my experience, there is only a very tiny fraction of a percent of collectors who buy MISB statues, dioramas, busts or premium format figures with no intention of opening or displaying, unlike 12" figures where it is very common to do so.
 
lcummins said:
I disagree! It most certainly is MIB, but is no longer MISB. Almost all collectors of Sideshow statues know that the products needs to be inspected upon receipt in case of damage. They accept that as being a mint undisplayed piece, but still opened for inspection. Whenever someone on eBay lists an "unopened" piece, most collectors ask if they will open and inspect it before shipping to make sure there is no damage. From my experience, there is only a very tiny fraction of a percent of collectors who buy MISB statues, dioramas, busts or premium format figures with no intention of opening or displaying, unlike 12" figures where it is very common to do so.
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I purchased a Sauron helm from ebaY a while back my wife's LOTR helm collection. The seller had it listed as MIB. When I received it, upon opening it, we discovered that the helm was coated in dust and even had cobwebs inside of it. I filed a complaint with PayPal for an item received in a condition other than described as I was under the impression that it was, in fact, MIB. The seller tried to argue that although dusty, the item itself was in "mint" condition and "in the box" as his "MIB" had described. Paypal awarded me the win because it wasn't what I considered, nor what they considered MIB.

But this is entirely irrelevant as by your own definitions, if someone won all the parts and box for the dio, it would still be MIB. Back on topic? :p
 
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thenammagazine said:
But this is entirely irrelevant as by your own definitions, if someone won all the parts and box for the dio, it would still be MIB. Back on topic? :p
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Maybe the semantics of MIB would dictate that to be true, but I certainly would not want to have to resort to this style of auction in order to get the piece I so aggresively desire. I would avoid it at all costs and only purchase an item this way if I felt that there would never be another chance of obtaining the diorama. I certainly hope this individual does not choose this course of action.

Whoever you are, contact me. As you can see I have a WTB thread (and others do too) and will give you a fair offer, if you just give us the chance.
 
lcummins said:
I disagree! It most certainly is MIB, but is no longer MISB. Almost all collectors of Sideshow statues know that the products needs to be inspected upon receipt in case of damage. They accept that as being a mint undisplayed piece, but still opened for inspection. Whenever someone on eBay lists an "unopened" piece, most collectors ask if they will open and inspect it before shipping to make sure there is no damage. From my experience, there is only a very tiny fraction of a percent of collectors who buy MISB statues, dioramas, busts or premium format figures with no intention of opening or displaying, unlike 12" figures where it is very common to do so.
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I opened my Dio this morning for inspection only since I really don't have the room to display it right now. Well the damn thing too me almost an hour to put it back in the box! For all the aggrevation, I should have just left it out!
 
MadCow said:
I opened my Dio this morning for inspection only since I really don't have the room to display it right now. Well the damn thing too me almost an hour to put it back in the box! For all the aggrevation, I should have just left it out!
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Jealous of you MadCow. I have so much display space and cannot lay my hands on the diorama!

:(
 
furystorm said:
$499.95 I guess he could have saved some ebay fees, huh? I'm happy to have this on the way to me finally!
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$499!

You should have held off, and gone with the wait and see approach. I have feeling this won't go higher than $400, if that.
 
furystorm said:
$499.95 I guess he could have saved some ebay fees, huh? I'm happy to have this on the way to me finally!
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Wow, Congrats! :chew

It's just a shame that you had to go that route to get it. As long as you're happy with it, that's all that matters...
 

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