Dementufiloni, lol.
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jye4ever
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Yeah', Miller himself says that D is damaged himself and maybe channeling things he was told in his young life during his speeches. Things that he knows mad him unhappy, but it's all he knows.He was smart enough to invade gas townand he is also smart enough not to kill Furiosa directly because he knows that she knows the location of the green lands.
He is also brave and strong to dare to confront Immortan Joe face to face. He's like the cult leader and his men are quite stupid.
But he's not as smart as the Joker or immortan Joe, and I think he's less ruthless or sociopathic, after killing Praetorian Jack, and tying Furiosa up by one arm, when he sits on the hood of the monster trunck, he looks worn out, and he's starting to get tired of all that.
I think his family was really killed and he knows he has become trash himself.
He is mentally declining, but that's my opinion.It makes him a nuanced character that's more interesting than a pure villain.
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I really think that what we see in a lot of these scenes is the result of his cannibalism. Cannibals are extremely susceptible to disease transmission from eating human flesh. I think this is making him go physically mad as well, along with the trauma madness. There are a few scenes that suggest he maybe physically unwell from his own half life and human diet.
Helmsworth chose to wear two different contact lenses , one with a wide pupil and one that's constricted. In medical terms , having different policies is a sign of brain damage or stroke.
Dementus' cape is symbolic of his changing... from white, to blood red.. to finally infected with black.
His final form was grey....
Furiosa took the black. Which is why a character calls her the dark angel.
Also why D is so happy to see her over the edge. He wanted her to be as "demented" by her experiences as he was. It's a symbolic attempt at creating her as his own child, which she rejects vehemently.
By using his remains to bring forth fruit , she is rejecting the idea of a dying wasteland without hope, in favor of using the remnants of a burned out world to bring forth a new one.
I just saw this. Awesome film. George Miller is a singular filmmaker who we are lucky to witness.
abake
Rex Tremendae Majestatis
Finally got a chance to see this, and I'm sorry I missed it at the theatre.
Obviously, it's not as insanely good as Fury Road, but I found it to be a great movie. Yeah, there was some dodgy CGI, and it did seem like Miller was trying to be more obvious and direct with what he wanted to "say" with the movie (especially in Dementus' final speech), but none of that bothered me. It was a thoroughly enjoyable movie.
Obviously, it's not as insanely good as Fury Road, but I found it to be a great movie. Yeah, there was some dodgy CGI, and it did seem like Miller was trying to be more obvious and direct with what he wanted to "say" with the movie (especially in Dementus' final speech), but none of that bothered me. It was a thoroughly enjoyable movie.
what was he trying to say
I certainly didn't get a singular, clear message. I think Miller has a nuanced view of things in this film.
If there was a message to Dementus's final rant (which I only heard the one time, so I don't remember every detail), my takeaway is that there is a lot of trauma to go around. You can be nihilistic about it, and what you say can make sense, but what goes around comes around and it can all become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
In terms of Furiosa, there is also a trauma and survival angle to her whole arc of course. But going back all the way to the first film, and certainly from Road Warrior onward, it seems that self interest without intentionally harming innocents is the best you can hope to find in this world. And people who do that are the closest thing you will have to heroes. If folks don't take care of themselves first then they are DOA. If you push it too far and justify exploitation and predatory behavior then you are the villain. But there's a gray middle ground. Max was typically only helping others because he was helping himself, but in the process there were glimmers of altruism.
Revenge is always justifiable, though.
If there was a message to Dementus's final rant (which I only heard the one time, so I don't remember every detail), my takeaway is that there is a lot of trauma to go around. You can be nihilistic about it, and what you say can make sense, but what goes around comes around and it can all become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
In terms of Furiosa, there is also a trauma and survival angle to her whole arc of course. But going back all the way to the first film, and certainly from Road Warrior onward, it seems that self interest without intentionally harming innocents is the best you can hope to find in this world. And people who do that are the closest thing you will have to heroes. If folks don't take care of themselves first then they are DOA. If you push it too far and justify exploitation and predatory behavior then you are the villain. But there's a gray middle ground. Max was typically only helping others because he was helping himself, but in the process there were glimmers of altruism.
Revenge is always justifiable, though.
abake
Rex Tremendae Majestatis
Yup, that was pretty much my take as well, but it wasn't what Miller wanted to say, but rather that he chose to have a character state it directly in the movie which I found a bit surprising. It didn't bother me or anything, I just found it unusual.
Prime Clone
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Prime Clone
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My own chronology below. I may not have left enough room between RW and BT?
ATC = after The Collapse
25ATC Max Rockatansky born
35ATC Furiosa born
45ATC Furiosa leaves the Green Place
50ATC Events of Mad Max
53ATC Nuclear war
55ATC Events of The Road Warrior
58ATC Events of Beyond Thunderdome
60ATC Furiosa returns to the Citadel, becomes Imperator
?ATC Events of The Wasteland
63ATC Events of Fury Road
ATC = after The Collapse
25ATC Max Rockatansky born
35ATC Furiosa born
45ATC Furiosa leaves the Green Place
50ATC Events of Mad Max
53ATC Nuclear war
55ATC Events of The Road Warrior
58ATC Events of Beyond Thunderdome
60ATC Furiosa returns to the Citadel, becomes Imperator
?ATC Events of The Wasteland
63ATC Events of Fury Road
15 years between Road Warrior and Thunderdome...?
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Finally watched this. Some unfiltered thoughts:
- Overall a strong action movie, heavy on (bleak) atmosphere, short on deep character building. Fitting that the characters we see are stripped down to archetypes and instincts.
- Taylor-Joy is excellent. She sells the feral fury of the character (as does the little girl who plays young Furiosa) with very little dialogue, and her small size and lack of muscle mass doesn't overstretch suspension of disbelief, given she usually fights with machinery and firearms at a distance.
- Hemsworth and his dry scenery-chewing is excellent. A great villain.
- The film has me tense during a couple of action sequences, and did a great job of fleshing out the bonkers, dark/comic universe of Mad Max.
- The final chapters held my attention more than the first two-thirds of the film.
- Overall it gave me an 80s vibe in spite of being obviously contemporary, and feels like it may be more memorable than Fury Road. I think I had more empathy for Furiosa than I had for Max in the previous film.
- I give it a B+ -- entertaining, but (for me) lacking the long term re-watch factor of flicks like Aliens, or Star Wars.
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Remember we can no longer rely on cues from the OT. The events are canon but the dates have been retconned. Have to somehow keep Max a realistic age in FR.
Plus it's all based around the Furiosa trailer saying it happened 45 years ATC.
But any revisions welcome!
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