Gamorrean Guard 12"

[icruise]

So he doesn't even have hip articulation?

 

[galactiboy]

I still don't buy the argument that engineering a unique body is such a huge expense. Yeah, it's more expensive than just slapping an outfit on a standard 1/6 scale body, but go to Toys R Us and look at any of the toys on the shelves and you'll find nothing but unique full-body sculpts, and almost all of them have more articulation than this. Oh, and they sell for $10-$20 apiece (of course they're smaller than this, but still).

Anyway, they've already gone to the time and expense of sculpting the body, so adding some joints to the knees would have been trivial from a cost point of view. I think it was probably an artistic decision -- they decided that most people would just have their figures standing around anyway, so it would be better to avoid having visible articulation in the knees.

Comparing something made in the tens of thousands compared to something with a run of maybe 5,000 (between the this and Gartogg) when it comes to cost doesn't really wash out.

You have to think that the sculpting involved with this figure versus a standard body figure (which is generally only a unique head) is much higher which we agree on. Then add in that engineering functional joints would then also take more time and effort, not to mention adding at least two additional parts per limb (knee, thigh and calf versus full leg) for casting and you can imagine that costs will start to climb.

I'm not saying they couldn't make it happen... but I wager the cost would be a lot higher to us and it probably wouldn't look as nice as it does now. Just my thoughts.

 

[Glennfett]

im sorry icruise...no he doesnt.
only ankle and upper leg-so you basically can twist the ankles and splay the legs out left to right.Same with his arms.
So as some people have mentioned,basically almost a statue.
but a F--KEN Awesome figure at that!!!!

 

[Glennfett]

and i love the Vibro lance he comes with!!

 

[Wor-Gar]

Kick ass pose! Great pix! I might steal this pose.

So how is the paint work?

 

[icruise]

Comparing something made in the tens of thousands compared to something with a run of maybe 5,000 (between the this and Gartogg) when it comes to cost doesn't really wash out.

Yeah, but I'm not just talking about mass-market things like Hasbro toys. Companies like the Four Horsemen for example produce very low numbers of figures and still manage to do so for relatively reasonable prices.

im sorry icruise...no he doesnt.
only ankle and upper leg-so you basically can twist the ankles and splay the legs out left to right.

I'm not sure I understand. Is the upper leg articulation just a cut joint then?

 

[Darth Waller]

He looks great! More aliens, Sideshow!

 

[Glennfett]

the best way to explain the leg artic is this

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the legs can go sideways to 90 degrees outwards..they cannot go back or forth.
they can rotate 360 degrees.
you just cannot sit him down.

 

[Wor-Gar]

How's the paint? Looks a wee bit dark.

 

[Glennfett]

yes,it is a little darker than on set gammy.
nice pic bytheway..ive never seen that pic before,LMAO

 

[dharper]

Looks good. Mine arrives tomorrow.

 

[Kunanuk]

Comparing something made in the tens of thousands compared to something with a run of maybe 5,000 (between the this and Gartogg) when it comes to cost doesn't really wash out.

You have to think that the sculpting involved with this figure versus a standard body figure (which is generally only a unique head) is much higher which we agree on. Then add in that engineering functional joints would then also take more time and effort, not to mention adding at least two additional parts per limb (knee, thigh and calf versus full leg) for casting and you can imagine that costs will start to climb.

I'm not saying they couldn't make it happen... but I wager the cost would be a lot higher to us and it probably wouldn't look as nice as it does now. Just my thoughts.

Really doy you believe that a couple of little pieces of plastic joining the legs would increase so much the production cost?
Okay... let me tell you. Once the new naked body has been designed and aproved, perhaps with articulation not yet clear, they just debate how to divide the model to make the cast. There, on knees and elbows, I can see they talking... "oh... if we put articulation there, our perfect sculpt would be too much altered", and another guy "yeah... we could even save three dollars if we don't put articulation there... "yeah, you're right...", "okay, see you tomorrow".

Thats the divine reason.

 

[shocktrooper_au]

Really doy you believe that a couple of little pieces of plastic joining the legs would increase so much the production cost?
Okay... let me tell you. Once the new naked body has been designed and aproved, perhaps with articulation not yet clear, they just debate how to divide the model to make the cast. There, on knees and elbows, I can see they talking... "oh... if we put articulation there, our perfect sculpt would be too much altered", and another guy "yeah... we could even save three dollars if we don't put articulation there... "yeah, you're right...", "okay, see you tomorrow".

Thats the divine reason.

I work for big company, and yes they do argue over every cent spent on an item during production, you wouldn't believe how little everything costs to actually produce, ship & how much profit margin are put on products, we as consumers are all to willing to part with our cash

 

[Puay]

Mine has been shipped, another week before arriving at my door. Not such a long wait considering it was a year and a half ago when the prototype image was shown.

 

[Kunanuk]

I work for big company, and yes they do argue over every cent spent on an item during production, you wouldn't believe how little everything costs to actually produce, ship & how much profit margin are put on products, we as consumers are all to willing to part with our cash

Yes, in fact that's what I say. Sure, you know, that joint pieces are not expensive to produce, really it would be one of the cheapest pieces of the figure. Even so, they try to reduce costs, saving as much, five dollars in this case. You know, THEY are saving costs, not the collectors. We pay the same as if they put that joints... then they say "oh, the figure looks better without joints".

If you make a good plan, is possible to make it easy and cheap. What happen's then? Well, Sideshow usually doesn't design bodies, they just design figures over a pre-designed body. Well, the, you just need to design a fat body for several upcoming figures from several licences, and just adapt it with good skills.
You know, there is no reason, other than they want to make it easy, because almost collectors will buy the figure with or without standard articulation.
Just let say the things as they are.

And that's why I was talking about Hot Toys. They, better or worst, try to articulate every figure, even if is need to retool some naked parts like elbows or knees, even chests (no rubber).
The Hot Toys high prices are not just for that reason, there a great marketing plan, that makes the figure much more valuable and expensive than its real cost. Sure, most HT figures could be sold at a 20% lower cost. They just overcharge price to get more money, money, money... Well, you know, if HT makes a Gamorrean with the same budget as Sideshow, the figure would come with standard articulation, they just would overcharge the price to seem a better item.

What is really expensive in articulated figures are the accessories, the fabrics and the paint job. The basic figure, is no more than molded pieces of plastic produced in mass and joined by a lot of people in a factory. So, Hot Toys usually doesn't use so much paint jod in their figure heads, like Sideshow. HT just makes a good and hyper-detailed sculpt and produces it with a kind of plastic that emulates very well the skin look.

 

[galactiboy]

the legs can go sideways to 90 degrees outwards..they cannot go back or forth.
they can rotate 360 degrees.
you just cannot sit him down.

Weird... any chance you can strip him down and give us a naked pic? I'm curious what the design of the leg joint looks like.

 

[Darth Madden]

Looks great. I think Jabba will have a new guest soon.

 

[Darth Mitchell]

Weird... any chance you can strip him down and give us a naked pic? I'm curious what the design of the leg joint looks like.

Yeah right...
I know what you're up to...

 

[agen_kolar]

Call me a whiny little girl, but I'm very disappointed in this figure. My despair is not due to the lack of articulation, but due to the fact that it just doesn't look enough like a Gamorrean Guard to cost as much as it does. The coloring is too dark and something about the costume looks cheap, too. This one needs a custom paint job, which will cost another arm and leg. I expect more, Sideshow, especially when an item costs $100+.

 

[icruise]

You whiny little girl!

Actually, I agree. I've been saying that since the beginning. The sculpt doesn't look enough like the Gamorreans from the film and the coloring is too dark. (Too bad, as it seemed from preliminary pictures that this had been corrected.) The lack of articulation is another problem, but not one that would affect my decision to buy it or not.