Ghostbusters Bill Murray Ada group commission

[Mudshark]

bah. just campfire stories and urban legends. tell them naysayers to get their ***** back in the POTA thread and stay there.

Good enough! Then my suggestions stand... let's go for the best possible Pete Venkman sculpt Ada is capable of making for us!

 

[Captain Britain]

Please DO NOT approve this sculpt. It looks more like Bill Clinton then Bill Murray. Basically, the features are much too strong - Murray has more delicate features.

1. The chin is too long and there needs to be a slight indentation in it - Ada's has none. It just needs to be a gentle, rounded indentation, not a Robert Mitchum style cleft chin. And it doesn't jut out of the face as much as she's done it. If anything it recedes. Look at picture four, the profile comparison, and you'll see that on the real Murray the furthest point on which the chin juts out is still behind his bottom lip, which is itself behind his top lip. On the Ada sculpt the chin juts out well beyond both lips and what's more both lips jut out the same distance, instead of the top lip jutting out more.

2. Cheekbones and jawline too strong - again look at the profile comparison, number four.

3. Smirk needs to be longer.

4. Eyes need some slight puffiness about them - but this isn't a dealbreaker for me if everything else is right.

5. Bottom lip too full.

6. The ear in the profile shot is too rounded.

7. The bridge of the nose should be higher - it is just above eye level, not on the same level as his eyes.

8. Personality wrong - his persona isn't that of a loser, but nor is he a winner, he's one of life's hangdog survivors.

As for getting it the right size to fit on a body...it had better be! Let's see it photographed on a body asap.

And finally, maybe someone with good photoshop skills could tweak the head to show Ada where she should be going? Just a thought.

 

[William Shatners Toupee]

Just wanted to say before I ran off to work this morning the Peter head is head #7 for me that I've commissioned through Ada. I have gone as far as three revisions on her heads for different sculpts, and other than communication problems (real or made up on her end I don't know) where she seems to miss part of E-mails, we have had a good working relationship with her and she's never told me "no" to anything and had been very accomodating. No scale issues. Everythings been good.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't stay vigilant and not worry about future ones. I just mean to say there's no need getting spooked.

If we ask her for pics of the head on a body for scale checking when she has to take pics of her changes she's made for us anyways, she won't have an excuse to say things like "she's too busy".

 

[bcm77]

I think the sculpt looks pretty good so far!

 

[2000man]

I think it is promising. It could use a bit of tweaking, but it is close

 

[William Shatners Toupee]

One last item to think about before you guys go to bed. If she has too much to resculpt on the face, just because what you see now is "almost there" may be "gone" when she fixes it...and you may regret having asked her for the tweaks... I'm just sayin!!!

Thanks Jessica. That's an excellent point I should expand on.

When you get a head that's pretty darn good but needs adjustments, you DO need to watch what you ask for, because there is a chance it can lost/re-worked/squished when resculpting.

I feel safe asking for corrected hair and a fixed up profile, but see danger big signs when we talk about touching the smirk or eyes any more. That's where we could lose what's there.

Now that we see the Peter head in progress for the first time we are only a week or so away from him being completed before she starts casting (estimate) so I'd like to encourage everyone else who still needs to pay for their Peter to do so, and for everyone else who needs to pre-pay for their Ray to do so, so we can place his commission in and get Ada started on him quick. Just PM me for my paypal.
Thanks!
-Rick

 

[Les Walker]

I'm IN! I like the Venkman sculpt! Just saw it! (Been busy here at home, so I have missed much!) Count me in! PM sent.

 

[Captain Britain]

Thanks Jessica. That's an excellent point I should expand on.

When you get a head that's pretty darn good but needs adjustments, you DO need to watch what you ask for, because there is a chance it can lost/re-worked/squished when resculpting.

I feel safe asking for corrected hair and a fixed up profile, but see danger big signs when we talk about touching the smirk or eyes any more. That's where we could lose what's there.

Now that we see the Peter head in progress for the first time we are only a week or so away from him being completed before she starts casting (estimate) so I'd like to encourage everyone else who still needs to pay for their Peter to do so, and for everyone else who needs to pre-pay for their Ray to do so, so we can place his commission in and get Ada started on him quick. Just PM me for my paypal.
Thanks!
-Rick

I can understand the eyes and smirk are good enough, and therefore you wouldn't want to mess with them - but please ask her to fix the profile. It needs to be much weaker. It just doesn't look like Murray to me, although I seem to be alone in this.

 

[pjam]

Alright, hey gang!

So I got an awesome E-mail from Ada this morning loaded with pics of her first attempt at a Peter head sculpt asking for approval.

This is always the scary stage as the commissioner, because as far as we're concerned on our end, what we're seeing is a "Work In Progress" untill we sign off on it, and if it doesn't looks anything like our character at this first stage when she thinks it's ready, we're in a world full of trouble.

It's also a time, at the beginning of a massive project a zillion forum members have jumped in on, that if it looks like ***, it would take the wind out of the sails of the entire project.

So, without further ado, here's the six pics she sent. I'll review a bit afterwards and discuss what few modifcations I see needing to be done with it, then of course I need to hear what changes you additions/corrections you guys think he may need.

I think it's a GREAT start, the playful eyes, the smirk, the cheekbones, all there! Profile DOES need work, chin, neck area but I think you guys are off to a great start here!

 

[The Craw]

the more i look at it the more i think it is just about perfect. it does match all the pics you gave her. the chin protrudes a bit much but that's about it. and for the record i dont see bill clinton in this at all. where do people come up with this stuff.

 

[Captain Britain]

the more i look at it the more i think it is just about perfect. it does match all the pics you gave her. the chin protrudes a bit much but that's about it. and for the record i dont see bill clinton in this at all. where do people come up with this stuff.

That's how it looked to me. I seem to be in a minority of one, but it's not like I just made up my opinion of a sculpt that I've already bought an outfit for.

Of course, I'd much prefer it if I thought it was 'perfect', but I don't.

 

[Ironman1188]

Well, in typical Ada fashion, the debate continues on whether the sculpt needs to be tweaked or not BUT it is already for sale on her site. Personally, I think the hair is off on this sculpt and, personally, I prefer a more serious expression.
The fact that its already being sold rallies back the whole "which one will you get" discussion. I missed the timeframe to commit to the Bishop head but, after talking with WST, I ordered one and got a different one than I thought I was getting. The image on her site is NOT the one I got. She added spikeyish hair on top of the head and well.....while it is a 1:6 head its not what I was expecting.
I do think that her showing it to you on a body is a good idea. I have many heads from her but lately she's been having a scaling problem. Milla Jovovich is too small, Sawyer is too small, Burke was too small, she said she was fixing it and sending out a new version. She did and that was also too small.
Just some things to consider.

 

[yruh8n]

Seems to me that she is trying to pump out things to fast. It would be great someday if some of these customizing folks could combine forces and form a company that worked effectivly and produced high quality products. Any time the name A****r comes up it produces a @#$%storm of flame and hatred, but of all the custom heads I have bought I prefer theses over any other. According to a couple of sculptors who worked for them, one of the things that imploded the company was that the owners refused to compromise on the quality of the work. They tried hiring several different sculptors as backups, but couldn't get enough artist who could produce the quality they wanted to keep up with the demand. Hopefully Ada will act professional enough to refine the sculpt and give you what you want.

 

[CAZAFANTASMA]

MMM how come she´s selling the head allready????

 

[Captain Britain]

What happened to Andgor? I don't know the story.

 

[FlyAndFight]

The sculpt is a decent "start" to a Bill Murray headsculpt but I don't think she nailed it at all. I see too many little issues that bug the heck out of me. Plus, we dont' even know if she pulled a "honey I shrunk the head" on this one as well...

I'm not sure I'll be ordering this from her, if this is the final product. In my opinion, the headsculpts are the key to my custom figures and if this is the best I can get, then it just may kill the project for me. Again, that's just me.

What happened to Andgor? I don't know the story.

Andgor ripped off TONS of people by taking their money and never delivering the goods. Unfortunately, they continued to do so for quite some time.

 

[icruise]

I missed the timeframe to commit to the Bishop head but, after talking with WST, I ordered one and got a different one than I thought I was getting. The image on her site is NOT the one I got. She added spikeyish hair on top of the head and well.....while it is a 1:6 head its not what I was expecting.

Are you saying the Bishop head was different from what you expected in ways besides just the hair?

 

[sladesuperagent]

Please DO NOT approve this sculpt. It looks more like Bill Clinton then Bill Murray. Basically, the features are much too strong - Murray has more delicate features.

1. The chin is too long and there needs to be a slight indentation in it - Ada's has none. It just needs to be a gentle, rounded indentation, not a Robert Mitchum style cleft chin. And it doesn't jut out of the face as much as she's done it. If anything it recedes. Look at picture four, the profile comparison, and you'll see that on the real Murray the furthest point on which the chin juts out is still behind his bottom lip, which is itself behind his top lip. On the Ada sculpt the chin juts out well beyond both lips and what's more both lips jut out the same distance, instead of the top lip jutting out more.

2. Cheekbones and jawline too strong - again look at the profile comparison, number four.

3. Smirk needs to be longer.

4. Eyes need some slight puffiness about them - but this isn't a dealbreaker for me if everything else is right.

5. Bottom lip too full.

6. The ear in the profile shot is too rounded.

7. The bridge of the nose should be higher - it is just above eye level, not on the same level as his eyes.

8. Personality wrong - his persona isn't that of a loser, but nor is he a winner, he's one of life's hangdog survivors.

As for getting it the right size to fit on a body...it had better be! Let's see it photographed on a body asap.

And finally, maybe someone with good photoshop skills could tweak the head to show Ada where she should be going? Just a thought.

Argghh! I hate being on vacation sometimes! I miss my super fast G5, my cousin's Inspiron lapTop is sooo slow, I don't know how people work on these things. And all the pop-ups about protection and cookies...I'll never own anything but a Mac!

So, I like the sculpt, but I agree with all the above points. The hair for me is too short, the jawline and cheekbones are too rounded. Beyond that I think it looks pretty good. I do wanna see Venkman on a 1/6 body though--I don't think MULTIPLE people would claim things about her work w/o there being a little truth to it. And I'm gonna need to see Egon, Ray, and Winston on bodies also--incorrect scale btw all 4 guys would be a deal breaker for me--more so than any of the likeness issues with the sculpt.

Also if it's a case of her working too fast, I'm not in any hurry here. I've waited all my life for these figures and there is no reason for her to rush these.

WST, I want you to know that I have total confidence in your ability to discuss with her any issues that we as a group may have. Please take all the naysaying with a grain of salt--but also understand that WE ARE PAYING HER TO DO THIS, so in the end it is a business transaction and the customer should have the final say. You know her and her work probably better than anyone here, so I think that will really be important in the end, but I'm not gonna lie--I've awoke today and I have new concerns . And I haven't even received my Bishop head yet, so I'm hoping it still looks like I thought it would.

As far as her already selling the sculpt--that doesn't bother me. Like I said, she's a business woman and has every right to sell her work as it develops. I just hope she realizes that there are over 40 hungry GB fans waiting for this sculpt and if things go pear shaped--there might be 40 GB fans boarding a plane for the Orient to "show her how we do things downtown!"

 

[bcm77]

I am concerned to read about the recent scale problems with some of Ada's heads but I have faith in Rick's ability to work things out and am confident Venkman will look even better after a bit of tweaking.

 

[Jessica]

WST, I think you have had enough dealings with Ada to have a good working relationship. The Bill Murray sculpt is actually a very good sculpt, and with some minor tweaking should look fantastic. Since photographs are deceiving, it is a rather good idea to ask her to photograph the sculpt on an actual body so that there are no "surprises." IMHO, the fact that Venkman is already for sale means that she's satisfied with the sculpt and the requested minor tweaking will be difficult to get from Ada.