Halloween (October 19th, 2018)

[crows]

whats funny is that this is how Rob Zombie felt about remakes before being offered the job of halloween

then after getting hired for Halloween this is what he said

and this is what he wanted to fix on halloween
what he hated about the original

 

[ApeManRyan]

The unrated H1 scenes with the rape was one of the most uncomfortable scenes I've ever watched on film because it's super unnecessary I have no idea why he even thought that was a good idea or even to add it in. The theatrical scene of Michael breaking out is way better. Crows that video is interesting and his comments are kind of funny. Clearly the dude dont care he's getting paid. For me I like his music and some of his films. House, Rejects, second half of H1 were good, 31 was decent. Rest are a meh or suck. I still will watch his stuff like the new Rejects movie he's making that will be out this year I think. Only thing I hate the most about his films is putting his wife in them. She seems cool but damn her acting isn't on par and just plain annoying at times.

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[xipotec]

I find Zombie pretty trashy as a filmmaker, I lost all respect when alternate cuts of his H1 surfaced. The theatrical cut was a good remake balancing new spins with existing material for the most part, other than making The Shape into just another crazy person. Seeing the rape scene shot as how Michael escapes was just unsettling, it’s one thing to use tape scenes in TV and movies when it has a character and story purpose or making a commentary on society, but its use in Halloween was simply backdrop for death and carnage and served no purpose than shock value.

I totally agree....the remakes feel like snuff films. It’s all hyper real and there was no need to be that brutal. Maybe I am getting old with horror....but showing a brutal murder, as brutal as possible is not really horror to me.
Tobe Hooper did more for my in the original TXCM than zombie did in any film with implied carnage.

I actually turned off the Hills Have Eyes remake for the same reason....showing too much brutality.



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[EVILFACE]

I like his Devil's Rejects and The Lords of Salem. The rest of his stuff is junk.

As for remakes, I like the both Texas Chainsaw ones and Hills Have Eyes. F13 was ok, but took clean and pretty. NOES was meh and too much cgi.

 

[crows]

I totally agree....the remakes feel like snuff films. It’s all hyper real and there was no need to be that brutal. Maybe I am getting old with horror....but showing a brutal murder, as brutal as possible is not really horror to me.
Tobe Hooper did more for my in the original TXCM than zombie did in any film with implied carnage.

I actually turned off the Hills Have Eyes remake for the same reason....showing too much brutality.



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any other movies that are too gory for you? you just made me curious

 

[MaulFan]

I totally agree....the remakes feel like snuff films. It’s all hyper real and there was no need to be that brutal. Maybe I am getting old with horror....but showing a brutal murder, as brutal as possible is not really horror to me.
Tobe Hooper did more for my in the original TXCM than zombie did in any film with implied carnage.

I actually turned off the Hills Have Eyes remake for the same reason....showing too much brutality.



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I feel like horror now breaks down to 3 classes, thriller, which would be films like Silence of the Lambs which scare you with hardly any body count, horror which features death and some violence, like Paranormal activity or classics like Halloween, F13, etc., and then slashers where it’s all about brutality, blood and guts and body count which most modern movies seemed aimed at. I prefer horror and thrillers because they are psychological where slashers are visual.

 

[RIDDICK]

horror now breaks down to 3 classes

thriller
horror which features death and some violence, like Halloween, F13, etc.
slashers

Umm... original Halloween and F13 are what made slasher genre popular. Your logic is very messed up.

 

[crows]

Umm... original Halloween and F13 are what made slasher genre popular. Your logic is very messed up.

he might have chosen the wrong movies as examples but hes correct of the 3 types of horrors. it is just that some movies are more brutal now.

Friday the 13th obviously falls in the bloody guts filled category

 

[RIDDICK]

some movies are more brutal now.

It is called "exploitation fiction". It's been a thing since 1950's.
And it's never been exclusive to just horror genre.

 

[crows]

you mean grindhouse?
thats different, their budgets were super low and their effects were super crass. plus those movies didnt even have a plot, like not even the minimal plot friday the 13th had

 

[RIDDICK]

you mean grindhouse?

No. I said "exploitation". Look it up if you need to.

 

[crows]

No. I said "exploitation". Look it up if you need to.

Grindhouse films are also referred to as "exploitation films."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploitation_film

 

[RIDDICK]

Grindhouse is exploitation. Exploitation isn't Grindhouse.

 

[xipotec]

any other movies that are too gory for you? you just made me curious

It’s hard to explain....but no not really.

I loved the remake of Dawn of the Dead, and I have watched just about every horror film that was close to mainstream as possible...

I used to watch a lot of the old ones that were considered X rating and they wouldn’t bother me.

Maybe you can figure out what the issue is from this...

The scenes that disturbed me...
The girl in the middle, her murder..

And the attack in the camper from The Hills have Eyes remake....

Not sure what they have in common but those two scenes were really off setting.


Maybe cause they were drawn out.


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[crows]

It’s hard to explain....but no not really.

I loved the remake of Dawn of the Dead, and I have watched just about every horror film that was close to mainstream as possible...

I used to watch a lot of the old ones that were considered X rating and they wouldn’t bother me.

Maybe you can figure out what the issue is from this...

The scenes that disturbed me...
The girl in the middle, her murder..

And the attack in the camper from The Hills have Eyes remake....

Not sure what they have in common but those two scenes were really off setting.


Maybe cause they were drawn out.


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Wat do u think of saw movies?

 

[xipotec]

I only saw (pun) like 2 of them.....they were ok. Didnt make me uncomfortable thou.

Hostel did.




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[jye4ever]

I break Halloween down into 2 categories.

1. Mysterious force movie with that force for unknown reasons materializing in a guy named Michael Myers.
2. Slasher movie with a guy named Michael Myers.


Nothing will ever top H1 if you want mysterious force, good luck reboot. The atmosphere in that movie can’t be touched. The only dumb thing in that movie are the parents standing there on the curb looking at young michael lol

BUT if you want a simple slasher movie in that universe then I prefer half of Zombie’s H1 and all of H2 over any of the other Halloween sequels including the pretty tame H2. Zombie’s version he is given a full back story who came from a broken family and abusive childhood (mom a stripper, alcohol, drugs, abusive stepfather, animal killing, etc).

When Zombie’s Halloween 1 copies the original it fails miserably but the original elements are great.

H2 has actually gained a cult following and it deserves it. MM is a beast in that movie.

I love Devils Rejects and 1000 Corpses certainly isn’t horrible and I love the visuals in Salem.

Look no one does satanic white trash serial killers better than Zombie lol

His wife is hot.

 

[karamazov80]

I break Halloween down into 2 categories.

1. Mysterious force movie with that force for unknown reasons materializing in a guy named Michael Myers.
2. Slasher movie with a guy named Michael Myers.

Uh,

3. Crazy-ass Halloween mask that melts your face movie.

 

[jye4ever]

Yes yes H3 I didn’t forget it I was just referring to movies with MM in them.

But yes H3 is king of Halloween themed witchcraft movies lol

 

[Johnny1378]

It’s hard to explain....but no not really.

I loved the remake of Dawn of the Dead, and I have watched just about every horror film that was close to mainstream as possible...

I used to watch a lot of the old ones that were considered X rating and they wouldn’t bother me.

Maybe you can figure out what the issue is from this...

The scenes that disturbed me...
The girl in the middle, her murder..

And the attack in the camper from The Hills have Eyes remake....

Not sure what they have in common but those two scenes were really off setting.


Maybe cause they were drawn out.


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That’s Danielle Harris, one of my favorite horror movie actresses. She also played Jamie Lloyd (Laurie Strode’s daughter in Halloween 4 and 5). She actually survived Zombie’s first Halloween movie, but was killed in the sequel. You’re right though, it was a pretty brutal death scene.