HBO's Game of Thrones
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tomandshell
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So much great casting on this show. From the large roles on down to the small.
One thing I really wish they would have done was explain the guest right a bit better. It's important for the non-readers to know.
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He'll always be Filch to me
Lol he was like that in Harry potter and he retains his craziness here aswell.
bruhkis
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Hey, what happened to Jon Snow's wolf?
rushmore223
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I agree, I guess they just showed the bread scene with no explanation as a nod to the readers.
For those that don't know, the significance of consuming food and wine in a home, guarantees that person "Guest rights" and it is assured by that cultures custom (Westeros) that no harm should come to a guest that has been served food and wine, whether they are in the home of a friend or foe.
In the books, the Guest Right was a Major deal, and shows even further the treacherous nature of Walder Frey.
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I'm surprised he didn't show up when the white walker tried to take Gilly's baby. I'm guessing we'll see him meet up with Sam soon.
Speaking of the dire wolves...question for book readers. Does Arya ever find Nymeria? I kinda doubt it but I'd like to see that happen.
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She starts having dreams of leading a large wolf pack, which implies she has some level of warg ability, but it hasn't really been explored fully yet.
I'm surprised he didn't show up when the white walker tried to take Gilly's baby. I'm guessing we'll see him meet up with Sam soon.
Speaking of the dire wolves...question for book readers. Does Arya ever find Nymeria? I kinda doubt it but I'd like to see that happen.
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Not so far, there's little points that indicate she's still out there, but they haven't met up. When I was reading the book I found out about the Red Wedding because I wanted to know about Nymeria and it mentioned that Arya has a dream as Nymeria and sees her mother's body in a river and I was like WTF?!?!
denger4000
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Did anyone else notice that orell (Wilding who controls the Hawk) is Gareth from the Office?
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Question - was Robb Stark the same?
After all, did he really deserve to be King of anything? Didn't he start the whole thing because of revenge - which, in contemporary terms, isn't really noble at all?
Dr Daystrom
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Thanks.
I figured as much the way they rush him out to begin the "wedding bedding". Can you tell me why they kept him alive? Unless it's some obvious reason I'm missing, I would guess that it's so Frey can still have a connection to the Tullys, but I think that's a bit unlikely considering he just had Catelyn and her uncle slaughtered....
Edmure basically ends up a hostage. Walder Frey wants a grandson as lord of Riverrun, and the Lannisters want leverage to help quell further revolt.
In the books, the Blackfish doesn't even attend the wedding, I strongly doubt he was involved in a betrayal unless very major changes are being made to his character. I think his needing to answer natures call, was just to get him out of the room, and provide a plausible chance for him to slip away to fight another day.
In the books, the Blackfish doesn't even attend the wedding, I strongly doubt he was involved in a betrayal unless very major changes are being made to his character. I think his needing to answer natures call, was just to get him out of the room, and provide a plausible chance for him to slip away to fight another day.
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Dr Daystrom
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In medieval terms, avenging a grievous wrong done to one's family would be considered not only honorable, but practically obligatory.
Unless you do it Frey-style (exacting more revenge than the grievance called for, and doing it in violation of long standing tradition and ethics, i.e. in Westeros, murdering people under the protection of your household as guests is about as low as you can sink.)
What made it even more hurtful was the humiliation Frey made Robb and his wife endure in the introductions while they had to take it and be totally courteous. That was bad enough.
lerath666
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If i remember correctly, Robb took that title, as it was what the OLD lords of winterfel called themselves before the 5 kingdoms more or less become unified.
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I figured as much the way they rush him out to begin the "wedding bedding". Can you tell me why they kept him alive? Unless it's some obvious reason I'm missing, I would guess that it's so Frey can still have a connection to the Tullys, but I think that's a bit unlikely considering he just had Catelyn and her uncle slaughtered....
In the books, he simply wasn't at the red wedding. There is more later that shows he wasn't involved. That's all I'll say.
That's a little more difficult to answer. Mostly becuase aside from revenge, I don't fully understand Robb's motivations.
Like Torch said, avenging the grevious wrong is more or less demanded by the concepts of medival honor. From this, and from the way that Robb behaves in general we know that he is (mostly, he does Slip up some...like not keeping his word to Frey)Lawful.
IF The execution of Eddard Stark isn't his ENTIRE motivation, but merely the catalist, Then I would be more willing to Call Robb Stark Good. His actions tend however twords Neutrality. In the alighnment system, Neutrality means a preference towards Balance.
It's important to note that Robb dosn't Want the Iron throne. His goal is to separate from the 5 kingdoms, and become "king in the north". However, he was also reluctant to take that position as well. His people more or less pushed that idea onto him, and he ( begrudgeingly ) embraced it.
The important question here is WHY?
I see two possible Scenarios.To me, in BOTH these scenarios, The Execution of Eddard Stark is only the act that FINALY pushes Robb into action.
A) Robb has come to the realizeation that Joffery is just as Bad as the Mad King ever was. Is a Terrible ruler, and will eventualy lead the realm to ruin. He knows that Joff Values power above all else, becuase He killed Ned for threatoning his power base. For the good of the Northmen, Robb plans to pull out of the 5 Kingdoms, and let the "southeners" destroy themselves. Rob's actions are for the Good of "HIS" world, and his people
Lawful good, Possibly Lawful Neutral, as his original plans did not intend for him to be a king, and wished to strike some sort of balance with the rest of the Lords of the North, and create a separate nation apart from the 5 kingdoms.
B) Robb has some power-hunger, and wishes to be lord of Winterfel, as well as the rest of the north. Joffery has provided him with A Martyr whom he could rally the other Lords of the behind ( Ned Stark) and has Siezed this moment to make his Move. Acting coy to allow others to push him, seemingly unwillingly, into his secretly desired position of power.
Lawful Evil.
I'm more inclined, personaly, to Go with A, and I think Robb Stark Is Lawful Neutral personaly.
For the record, Before anyone asks.
Catlyn Stark - Neutral Good
Eddard Stark - Lawful Good
Tyrian Lanister - Chaotic Neutral
I'm not quite certian on the rest yet. As I'm just now reading the books.
Started with th show, LOVED it... got iritated at Joffery, and went Wiki-searching to see where his story was going... kept digging through the wiki, and decided I NEEDED to read the books.
Something Sexy
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Minor book spoiler, might not be one
What they did not do in the show, at least that I remember, that they did in the book was that Robb sends a letter out to Jon Snow (before the RW) basically saying if he dies he becomes the heir.
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