HBO's Game of Thrones

[Eiko82]

Good episode but there are definitely some scenes in the TV series that I don't remember from the books.

Spoiler

The scene with the headless bloodrider. I'm pretty sure that never happened in the books as all 3 bloodriders were alive several books later.

The scene with Melissandre having sex with Stannis. Also, why doesn't she mention that Stannis has a daughter?

The last scene with Jon discovering that the baby boys are given to the White Walkers. That one seriously made me go 'Woooah O___O'.

 

[EVILFACE]

Felt up your sister. Awkward . . . .

The Imp takes care of business.

 

[Butters]

Books>>>>>>>>>>>>>Series. IMO

 

[EVILFACE]

Shut up.

 

[Michael Crawford]

Nah, books aren't better than the series. They're good, but tend to be awfully long winded.

As to some of these book spoilers:

Good episode but there are definitely some scenes in the TV series that I don't remember from the books.

Spoiler

The scene with the headless bloodrider. I'm pretty sure that never happened in the books as all 3 bloodriders were alive several books later.

Spoiler

Yea, they added that for effect. No problem with it, because it helps speed up her development into the rage and anger we eventually see in the books.

The scene with Melissandre having sex with Stannis. Also, why doesn't she mention that Stannis has a daughter?

Because they are wisely skipping all that. His daughter (and her jester) never went anywhere in the books - examples of more of Martin's 'filler'. There's already enough important characters, they don't need a ton of non-important ones to clutter it up.

As to them having sex, I'm interested in seeing where it plays out.

The last scene with Jon discovering that the baby boys are given to the White Walkers. That one seriously made me go 'Woooah O___O'.

Yea, they told us that in the books, but I like the way it was conveyed quickly on the show. It also gives Jon a good reason to take Gilley.

 

[Michael Crawford]

When they first show Yara - when she walks up to Theon - I thought "Damn, she's not hot enough". But when her attitude started coming through during the discussion, especially back with Balon, I changed my mind. She's got that tomboy thing working for her.

 

[youbastards]

Good episode but there are definitely some scenes in the TV series that I don't remember from the books.

Spoiler

The scene with the headless bloodrider. I'm pretty sure that never happened in the books as all 3 bloodriders were alive several books later.

The scene with Melissandre having sex with Stannis. Also, why doesn't she mention that Stannis has a daughter?

The last scene with Jon discovering that the baby boys are given to the White Walkers. That one seriously made me go 'Woooah O___O'.

Agree on all counts, I actually skimmed through book 2 last night trying to find that scene of Melisandre and Stannis thinking I forgot it...

Spoiler

There was never really any emphasis on Stannis' lack of sons in the book, it was mentioned, but never really a focus of his character where taking the throne was his only desire.

I wonder if the Melisandre sex scene is what will eventually play into the 'shadow birth' scene?

My understanding was that Craster just left the boys in the woods to die, which still may be the case, he just doesn't know what happens after he drops them in the woods.

Also, the additional scenes with Littlefinger are obvious setup for happens later, in the books he is out of the story for the majority of Book 2 and Book 3.

After how impressively close Season 1 was to Book 1, I'm a little dismayed with how many changes have been made so early in the second season. Little things here and there don't bother me, but there have been some pretty big changes to major characters already.

 

[Michael Crawford]

More book spoilers:

Spoiler

It's made obvious in the books that Craster gives the boys to the Walkers, and in turn is left alone.

Seems to me there was a fair amount of focus on Stannis' wife not being able to give him a son - and his daughter's ugliness was all the worse since she couldn't provide an heir either. Providing an heir is a pretty big deal throughout the books and across characters. It wasn't as black and white in the books as on the show for Stannis, but it's not a stretch. It would be interesting if it plays in with whatever magic Melisandre uses against Renly.

 

[darthviper107]

More book spoilers:

Spoiler

It's made obvious in the books that Craster gives the boys to the Walkers, and in turn is left alone.

Seems to me there was a fair amount of focus on Stannis' wife not being able to give him a son - and his daughter's ugliness was all the worse since she couldn't provide an heir either. Providing an heir is a pretty big deal throughout the books and across characters. It wasn't as black and white in the books as on the show for Stannis, but it's not a stretch. It would be interesting if it plays in with whatever magic Melisandre uses against Renly.

Spoiler

I'm guessing the sex with Stannis is the way she does the whole pregnant shadow birth thing

 

[galactiboy]

Felt up your sister. Awkward . . . .

The Imp takes care of business.

Theon's such a perve, finger____ing his sister will maybe teach him a lesson

 

[pixletwin]

I agree that the sex scenes feel gratuitous... almost like the show's boss is thinking "Ok right here is where the single 40-something dudes will start to tune out. Bring in some T&A!" It really blights what could otherwise be an A+ show with class.

T&A does not = sophistication.

 

[Michael Crawford]

Since most of the scenes are in the book, I'm not sure how it's 'gratuitous'. They also are important to understanding the characters - Theon with his sister is intended to say something about his sister, not him...and it does. Scenes with Peter are about Peter, both about how he gets his information (and uses information against his customers), and about the cold, cruel side of his personality. Earlier scene for Theon on the boat, right out of the book in terms of how he uses the captain's daughter and tosses her aside, as though she's unworthy of him. And I'm betting the relationship between Melisandre and Stannis is critical later.

It's important for this show to get across aspects of these character's personalities in short scenes, and sometimes these sex scenes are critical for that. I got more about Theon's personality - and disliked him - out of the 30 second sex scene on the boat than I ever would have gotten out of 5 minutes of dialog about it.

 

[darthviper107]

I really wish they would stop with the Littlefinger's Whorehouse stuff, it isn't necessary at all and instead it's taking up time from stuff from the books that would be more worth putting into the show.

 

[pixletwin]

I really wish they would stop with the Littlefinger's Whorehouse stuff, it isn't necessary at all and instead it's taking up time from stuff from the books that would be more worth putting into the show.

Those are the scenes I am talking about.

 

[The ill Jedi]

Since most of the scenes are in the book, I'm not sure how it's 'gratuitous'. They also are important to understanding the characters - Theon with his sister is intended to say something about his sister, not him...and it does. Scenes with Peter are about Peter, both about how he gets his information (and uses information against his customers), and about the cold, cruel side of his personality. Earlier scene for Theon on the boat, right out of the book in terms of how he uses the captain's daughter and tosses her aside, as though she's unworthy of him. And I'm betting the relationship between Melisandre and Stannis is critical later.

It's important for this show to get across aspects of these character's personalities in short scenes, and sometimes these sex scenes are critical for that. I got more about Theon's personality - and disliked him - out of the 30 second sex scene on the boat than I ever would have gotten out of 5 minutes of dialog about it.

That's exactly how I see it. All in all these scenes only take up a minute or two of an hour long show.

 

[darthviper107]

Those are the scenes I am talking about.

Yeah, they weren't in the book and if you've read the book then it's hard to imagine what they might possibly lead to in the future.

 

[The ill Jedi]

I loved the scene with Arya and Gendry, they have a really good chemistry and look forward to seeing more from them.

 

[The Josh]

I agree that the sex scenes feel gratuitous... almost like the show's boss is thinking "Ok right here is where the single 40-something dudes will start to tune out. Bring in some T&A!" It really blights what could otherwise be an A+ show with class.

T&A does not = sophistication.

Totally agree with you 110%. Especially last night anyways. As I said I don't mind a scene here and there but it was every other scene last night. It totally takes you out of the story to be honest and IMO this show needs to keep you in the story to really hit the mark.

 

[denger4000]

Almost positive Craster never knocks out Jon in the books either, unless i'm forgetting something, but they seem to straying from the books a lot so I guess it's best to just view the series as it's own thing

 

[darthviper107]

Almost positive Craster never knocks out Jon in the books either, unless i'm forgetting something, but they seem to straying from the books a lot so I guess it's best to just view the series as it's own thing

Yeah, in the book it was just said that he sacrificed his sons, but it was never shown. I'm wondering what this will mean since in the book there wasn't really much conflict there and this could add some stuff