HBO's Game of Thrones

[FLOSI]

If nudity and frantic humping by background actors in the foreground of a scene qualify as porn.

Softcore maybe?

I was pretty happy to see the red priestess neekid.

 

[pixletwin]

I haven't seen ep 2 yet. Gunna watchit tonite.

Bom-chikka-WOW-WOW

 

[DarthNeil]

I suspect a few of you have been desensitized to porn.

I think The Walking Dead would suggest that many are desensitized to horrific violence-- which is worse, sex or violence? Oh wait, Spartacus has both.

You make a fair point

 

[Sidewinder]

Reading the books can sometimes be a bad thing. Watching the second episode I keep thinking back to the book and trying to remember if that scene actually happened. The boat scene with Theon was just how I imagined it in the book, but I think the sister reveal was better in the book than shown in the show. I also expected Asha to be more attractive, I got that impression from reading the book and Theon's reaction to her.

I think there will be quite a lot of changes from the book this season. I don't mind some changes, there's certainly parts that can be improved from the book.

I don't think all the whorehouse scenes are necessary, I think I could have done without Petyr wiping that chicks face for starters, but things are mentioned in the book and it's just left to our imagination, they can't really do that with tv, they have to show it.

 

[pixletwin]

I think The Walking Dead would suggest that many are desensitized to horrific violence-- which is worse, sex or violence? Oh wait, Spartacus has both.

That's a tired old argument created a long time ago by people who felt they needed to justify their porn habits*. Watching violence doesn't make people blood thirsty. But inserting overtly prurient crap in a drama is like putting poop in brownies.

*Just to clarify, I have no problem with people who want to wank to porn. I just don't want wank fodder in my drama. My celebucrush thread is a great example of something that was cool which turned into wank fodder. It was lame in that thread and it is lame in TV drama. I know their are a lot of GoT fans who have never seen/touched a woman, but that's what the internetz are for. C'mon!!!

Anyway, this discussion is boring up this thread. So that's all I'll say on the matter. I was too tired last night to watch episode 2.

 

[karamazov80]

Watching violence doesn't make people blood thirsty.

Bobo doll disagrees!

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr0OTCVtHbU[/ame]

Poor Bobo doll

 

[pixletwin]

Funny that the girl was the more creatively violent.

 

[DarthNeil]

That's a tired old argument created a long time ago by people who felt they needed to justify their porn habits*. Watching violence doesn't make people blood thirsty. But inserting overtly prurient crap in a drama is like putting poop in brownies.

*Just to clarify, I have no problem with people who want to wank to porn. I just don't want wank fodder in my drama. My celebucrush thread is a great example of something that was cool which turned into wank fodder. It was lame in that thread and it is lame in TV drama. I know their are a lot of GoT fans who have never seen/touched a woman, but that's what the internetz are for. C'mon!!!

Anyway, this discussion is boring up this thread. So that's all I'll say on the matter. I was too tired last night to watch episode 2.

That's a tired old argument that continues to push the idea that violence is fine but sexuality (in any form) is destructive. Look at some of the recently (last few years) deemed PG13 "horror" movies (thankfully no bare buttocks or overt mammaries displayed-- I think):

The Darkest Hour
The Woman In Black
House At The End of the Street
Insidious
Priest
Apollo 18
Red Riding Hood
The Roommate
The Rite
11-11-11
The Ring
Devil
1408
Cloverfield
Shark Night 3D
The Covenant
Drag Me To Hell
The Uninvited

and on and on...

A prime example of violence being acceptable and sexuality being labeled as insidious (rated PG13) is the 2004 Superbowl. 144 millions viewers-- Two teams knocking the absolute crap out of one another in a very violent sport, and someone's nipple being exposed in a "wardrobe malfunction" (although it was covered by a metallic star) was the end of civilization.

I have found some of this past season's Spartacus over the top (especially as they kept revisiting the brothel that Gannicus liked to frequent) but the reason that Martin's work might resonate so well with readers (beyond the strong writing) is that his world seems real... Characters have motivations-- they are neither good nor evil-- People die--- sometimes shockingly so-- and mixed in with the living and dying there's sex. That's the real world. I haven't seen it done to excess yet on Game of Thrones. Littlefingers' brothel is the one place where things are pushed-- but he's an important character who... OPERATES A BROTHEL. There might be some sexual moments there.

Again, the scene with the captain's daughter and Theon encountering his "sister' were very well portrayed from what was in the book. IMO... and it worked.

 

[pixletwin]

Not sure why you sexperts are willfully ignoring what I am saying.

Sex scenes are ok, but not when they distract from the drama on the screen.

It's an interesting tactic you are employing by trying to make my comments seem extreme: ie sex is bad. That is not what I am saying at all. I am saying stupid sex is bad and the scene I was talking about (the hungry humping in the foreground while Ros was escorting a novice around the brothel) was stupid sex.

So yeah. Reread what I have posted and stop trying to make my comments seem larger than they really are. You can make your point without employing lame manipulative high school debate tactics. Just because you are surrounded by highschool kids doesn't mean you have to think like them.

 

[DarthNeil]

Not sure why you sexperts are willfully ignoring what I am saying.

Sex scenes are ok, but not when they distract from the drama on the screen.

It's an interesting tactic you are employing by trying to make my comments seem extreme: ie sex is bad. That is not what I am saying at all. I am saying stupid sex is bad and the scene I was talking about (the hungry humping in the foreground while Ros was escorting a novice around the brothel) was stupid sex.

So yeah. Reread what I have posted and stop trying to make my comments seem larger than they really are. You can make your point without employing lame manipulative high school debate tactics. Just because you are surrounded by highschool kids doesn't mean you have to think like them.

Wow.

OK. No latent hostility there at all.

Agree to disagree.

 

[pixletwin]

Wow.

OK. No latent hostility there at all.

Agree to disagree.

Not being hostile at all. Read my post with the hint of levity it was meant to convey (hence the wink).

I just wanted it to be made clear that I wasn't saying what you were implying I was saying. I guess it worked.

 

[DarthNeil]

Not being hostile at all. Read my post with the hint of levity it was meant to convey (hence the wink).

I just wanted it to be made clear that I wasn't saying what you were implying I was saying. I guess it worked.

Ah, yes. The obvious wink... I must have missed that as my attention was on my abnormal Victorian porn collection. How silly of me.

Back on topic-- While watching the first season with the commentaries (to get ready for season two) it was mentioned how some characters, due to how the actors have done such a good job, have changed the roles of those characters from how they were originally going to be used (ie going from small part to having a much larger role to play). One that specifically comes to mind is Osha. It'll be interesting to see how her journey will differ from how it's told in the books... One other nice change for those of us who've read all the way through to Martin's last release.

[don't worry-- no spoilers there]

 

[Darklord Dave]

Despite how I run this family-friendly forum - I'm all for sex and not a prude in the least. I think of Spartacus as a guilty pleasure - it's not a terribly smart show and it knows it. It's about bloody heads, rousing speeches and rousing loins.

But GoT IS a smart show, it's a complex show with intricate plots and well rounded characters, and I would have to agree that the gratuitous sex is distracting. And perhaps I go out of my way to justify it as NOT gratuitous in that there's always (okay, usually) exposition in these scenes.

The wiping of the mouth and then the whore going to frenching another client is just one of those "EWWWW!" moments we see in any kind of film - I equate it with the crow landing on a corpse and plucking an eye out - same effect.

 

[DarthNeil]

Despite how I run this family-friendly forum - I'm all for sex and not a prude in the least. I think of Spartacus as a guilty pleasure - it's not a terribly smart show and it knows it. It's about bloody heads, rousing speeches and rousing loins.

But GoT IS a smart show, it's a complex show with intricate plots and well rounded characters, and I would have to agree that the gratuitous sex is distracting. And perhaps I go out of my way to justify it as NOT gratuitous in that there's always (okay, usually) exposition in these scenes.

The wiping of the mouth and then the whore going to frenching another client is just one of those "EWWWW!" moments we see in any kind of film - I equate it with the crow landing on a corpse and plucking an eye out - same effect.

The wiping away was definitely questionable, but the "beyond EWWWW" moment for me happened on both shows on the same night (in Canada Spartacus was first aired on Sundays right after GoT- on another satellite channel)... On GoT it was when the city guard started hunting the bastards and specifically Janus holding the baby girl and raising his dagger (although cut away we still hear the sound) and right after that episode it was the season finale of Spartacus when Lucretia held the new born baby boy and "brought" him to her husband... Maybe the disgust at those two scenes was just heightened as I watched them as I held my (now) two month old son in my arms (he sleeps fine-- if I cuddle him-- on the couch--- )...

 

[Ash Housewares]

Definately seems this series is trying to be controversial. I've found some of it a bit too disturbing if I'm honest. Still love it though.

 

[wofford29]

I'm all for sex but when it adds nothing to the show it's distracting and cheap. There was zero reason to show a man getting a _______ as he watches another man ____ a girl from behind. It's just bad writing.

I also find it interesting that they were a slave to the first novel and now it's okay to get away.

 

[TheObsoleteMan]

Anybody else catch the Game of Thrones bit on SNL tonight? It's as if they were reading this thread.

 

[DarthNeil]

Anybody else catch the Game of Thrones bit on SNL tonight? It's as if they were reading this thread.

I saw it... funny stuff.

 

[Spartan Rex]

Anybody else catch the Game of Thrones bit on SNL tonight? It's as if they were reading this thread.

It was funny cuz it's true.

Maybe the producers of GoT will take it to heart.

 

[pixletwin]

Here is the video:

https://gawker.com/5902076/snl-explains-the-nudity-in-game-of-thrones