Heroes- Now with spoilers!

[ProgMatinee]

I wonder if this season will be a bit like Smallville or The 4400 with the "freak of the week" villians. Hopefully they maintain a overall story arc, but I'd be happy if they do an all Hiro/Ando or all Parkman episode. Though an all Suresh episode might be cringeworthy. LOL.

 

[The Mike]

Was future Claire actually evil? We don't know her motive for killing Peter, considering the way he's screwing up the time stream she may have had good reason. He could have done something that screwed things royally in the old timeline which is what prompted him to go back and try to fix things. My take at the moment is that future Claire is a darker person who has no compunction about killing (maybe like Wolverine or Batman without his one rule) and not above seeking revenge, but isn't evil.

I took it as a necessary choice that "Future" Claire was making as if there was no other alternative but to kill Peter and he decided to slipstream back through time as an alternative. Claire knew that wouldn't work which is why she pulled the trigger. What occurred we'll never know because as Angela's vision has shown the timestream was already altered. She began by saying that things weren't the same in her vision as were before Peter appeared. I wouldn't call her evil I would say it was their attempt to make her seem hardened.

Sylar's pursuit of Claire in the house was so reminiscent of Halloween.

It was except for the fact that it should have lasted 5 seconds. He should have ripped the doors off and just cut her scalp and been done with it. I chalked the stalking up to the bravado that Sylar has but it was unrealistic especially considering how "protected" Claire could have been.

One more thing, Future Peter placed 616 Peter into Jesse's body right? Mind one assumes, generally turning off the mind of Jesse using telepathy. Since Peter's mind is now housed in that vessel wouldn't his power of absorbing other's powers still function? Essentially since Jesse's mind was never active around Peter, Peter shouldn't have absorbed that particular power judging how the sponge works....

 

[Agent0028]

...One more thing, Future Peter placed 616 Peter into Jesse's body right? Mind one assumes, generally turning off the mind of Jesse using telepathy. Since Peter's mind is now housed in that vessel wouldn't his power of absorbing other's powers still function? Essentially since Jesse's mind was never active around Peter, Peter shouldn't have absorbed that particular power judging how the sponge works....

I'm gonna hazard a guess that the absorbing powers power won't work with Peter in Jesse's body due to the change in body chemistry which according to Mohinder's theory is what makes a person have this power or that one.

 

[Darth Caedus]

It was except for the fact that it should have lasted 5 seconds.

One more thing, Future Peter placed 616 Peter into Jesse's body right? Mind one assumes, generally turning off the mind of Jesse using telepathy. Since Peter's mind is now housed in that vessel wouldn't his power of absorbing other's powers still function? Essentially since Jesse's mind was never active around Peter, Peter shouldn't have absorbed that particular power judging how the sponge works....

Should have lasted less than 5 seconds.

And another thing, where is Present-Peter's body??? I don't think his powers would still function. They seem to present that the powers work from some unique physical characeristic that each individual person has. Since Peter's consciousness was in another person unique body, I would think that Peter could use Jesse's power, not his own. But we don't know what Jesse's power is, which is why they probably didn't reveal it, wanted to leave that particular power a secret for the time being.

 

[ProgMatinee]

IMO the writers needed to show Claire how truly weak she could be. Like she tells Peter later, she can't fight, she can only heal. If Sylar just used TK, it makes it seem like she was blind sided and couldn't help what happened to her even if she was brave and tough because anyone besides Peter would be defeated with TK. But showing her as being scared and helpless and hiding drives the point home of her inabilities.

Making Claire's weaknesses clear was more important to the writers than making Sylar an unstoppable force. I think you'd be doing yourself a disservice by overanalysing Sylar in that scene.

 

[Darth Caedus]

IMO the writers needed to show Claire how truly weak she could be. Like she tells Peter later, she can't fight, she can only heal. If Sylar just used TK, it makes it seem like she was blind sided and couldn't help what happened to her. But showing her as being scared and helpless drives the point home.

Making Claire's weaknesses clear was more important to the writers than making Sylar an unstoppable force. I think you'd be doing yourself a disservice by overanalysing Sylar in that scene.

But making Sylar seem weak to show that Claire is weak is kind of a cope out to me. They could have shown Claire try to attack Sylar but just get demolished by his power and then hide. But they showed her actually injure him and hide in a place where he should have KNOWN she was.

At the same time, I know that needed to show him hurt in order to show him gain her power, but it just seemed a little too easy.

 

[ProgMatinee]

I don't think they made Sylar look weak at all, they just let up a tinge on the speed in which he defeated her. He still completely demolished her physically and emotionally.

Also, while the writers wanted her to be manhandled, they wanted to show that there is at least something in her that can be toned into a fighter. Had she gone out like any other Sylar victim, we'd dismiss Claire as a potential strong character down the road.

 

[Darth Caedus]

I don't think they made Sylar look weak at all, they just let up a tinge on his intensity. He still completely demolished her physically and emotionally.

True that, he did do it in the end I suppose. I would just think a guy with his powers would just obliterate everything and not allowing himself to get touched. But then again, maybe he was just playing with her and wasn't really expecting her to attack him. Like she said, all she can do is heal, he wasn't expecting her to even put up a fight, there was no Peter there to protect her.

 

[The Mike]

And another thing, where is Present-Peter's body???

That is an excellent question. There has to be a lifeless Peter body somewhere. I doubt it was just a mindswap with Jesse.

But we don't know what Jesse's power is, which is why they probably didn't reveal it, wanted to leave that particular power a secret for the time being.

We do. It was in Noah's files its Sound Manipulation, the ability to mimic and distort noise, replicate frequencies, and create sonic blasts of devastating proportions. Echo DeMille had this in the webisodes so we saw a bit of what can be done....think Banshee from the X-Men or Siryn.

Making Claire's weaknesses clear was more important to the writers than making Sylar an unstoppable force. I think you'd be doing yourself a disservice by overanalysing Sylar in that scene.

I'll buy that, that the scene was more to show Claire's weakness then Sylar's bravado. I don't think it showed him as weak at all, just overconfident. He didn't anticipate an attack from the opponent because he thought she was too weak.

 

[IrishJedi]

Two things were made obvious by the Sylar/Claire scene, and they are important character arc steps:

1. Sylar is not all evil. Of course, we already knew this. But I think it's clear that he's ultimately going to be moved to the center (at least for a while) and there will be much more evil bad guys that he'll help take on.

2. The very first scene in episode 1 of this volume shows us how hardened Future Claire is. Her encounter with Sylar (and then her pleas to both Peter and HRG that went unasnwered) will be the first step in how she gets there. It also made it a bit more clear that she's ultimately the key to a lot of answers. Not Peter. He's the catalyst (see: Butterfly Effect) but Claire is the key to it all.

Pretty simple, really.

 

[Darth Caedus]

We do. It was in Noah's files its Sound Manipulation, the ability to mimic and distort noise, replicate frequencies, and create sonic blasts of devastating proportions. Echo DeMille had this in the webisodes so we saw a bit of what can be done....think Banshee from the X-Men or Siryn.

Ah, didn't know that. I know we just saw a couple of glimses of it, was that only mentioned in the webisodes?

 

[IrishJedi]

was that only mentioned in the webisodes?

No, there was a completely separate character exclusive to the webisodes that had a same or similar ability. The webisode actors all suck, by the way, so be glad they're not on the show. They make the chick playing Maya look Oscar-worthy.

 

[Darth Caedus]

No, there was a completely separate character exclusive to the webisodes that had a same or similar ability. The webisode actors all suck, by the way, so be glad they're not on the show. They make the chick playing Maya look Oscar-worthy.

WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's saying something, glad I didn't watch those then.

 

[ProgMatinee]

Its weird to me they brought back Linderman. I always figured they had plans for him to be around much longer but the fans hated the character so they killed him off. Why bring him back even as a memory?

 

[IrishJedi]

I think Linderman is back (as a figment of Nathan's imagination) just as device to help build conflict within Nathan. Now he'll be torn again between the do-gooder he's become since the end of season one and the pragmatic politician he was when we first met him. The return of "Nikki" is obviously part of that as well.

 

[Sick Boy 82]

Jesse can probably vibrate your molecules apart with his sonic powers, so yes, think Havoc or Banshee.

And future Peter affects stuff from the very beginning by keeping Claire at home for Sylar to get her power. If she would have left, he might have never gotten her power and maybe someone killed him. And he wouldn't have even known about Level 5 to let those guys escape and blah blah blah blah......... End of the world as we know it. Or maybe it won't end up bad, who the hell really knows.

Butterfly effect in progess. Future Peter ^^^^ed the whole world up! That's the lesson of every single show!! Don't ^^^^ with the Timeline!!!! Dammit, has he never watch an Sci-Fi show ever??!!

 

[Darth Caedus]

Jesse can probably vibrate your molecules apart with his sonic powers.

And future Peter affects stuff from the very beginning by keeping Claire at home for Sylar to get her power. If she would have left, he might have never gotten her power and maybe someone killed him. And he wouldn't have even known about Level 5 to let those guys escape and blah blah blah blah......... End of the world as we know it. Or maybe it won't end up bad, who the hell really knows.

Butterfly effect in progess. Future Peter ^^^^ed the whole world up! That's the lesson of every single show!! Don't ^^^^ with the Timeline!!!! Dammit, has he never watch an Sci-Fi show ever??!!

Future Hiro didn't do too bad, wonder why he's not trying to tail Future Peter

 

[IrishJedi]

Future Hiro didn't do too bad, wonder why he's not trying to tail Future Peter

It'll happen. And apparently there's a twist involved with Future Hiro, too.

 

[Sick Boy 82]

Well, at some point Future Hero dies, so who know. I am wondering why Ando kills Hiro. I guess he gets his powers after Mohinder's formula gets out.

 

[ProgMatinee]

Gut says Future Ando is still a good guy and Future Hiro (like always) misinterprets something. IMO Ando is a bit like Samwise Gamgee in that he's the true hero because he's always loyal.