Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure
For whatever reason, whether Talia was the mastermind or not, once you find out that Bane wasn't the child in the pit that escaped and he starts to cry, he looks like a *****. Mastermind or not, he is essentially a guard dog, or her "protectah". He has the muzzle and everything and Talia's relationship with him goes way back. The plot twist butchers and kills Bane as a character. Not only that, he has one of the worst villain death scenes I have ever seen.
And yeah, she hated her father because of what he did to Bane. The "revenge" plot doesn't make sense. How would Talia's plan come to fruition if Bruce had never escaped the pit? He would have never known that Tate was Talia, nor that he slept with the enemy, nor that she was responsible for the death of Gotham. She didn't even reveal herself to the city before Bruce came back.
She ALSO believes that Gotham isn't "innocent" so she has the same warped ideals that Ra's and Bane have, maybe even more so which gives credence to the idea that Talia is the mastermind and Bane is the one who does the dirty work. In order for her plan to work, she has to be hidden behind the scenes. Taking over WE (that's not Bane's doing, that's Talia's), finding the location of the nuclear bomb, taking the nuclear bomb.
It's never stated, but I'm sure Talia, the REAL heir to Ra's Al Ghul is the brains of the organization. Bane is simply the brawn, her second hand man, once the plot twist occurs and he's shot away and forgotten.
In essence, Bane is a *****. One of the worst characters in the film.
Actually, while I still hold Bane in high regard, I actually am in agreement that the way the revelation was done does indeed hamper down Bane.
He was a pretty strong presence throughout the whole film, just that the way the twist was handled could've been done so much better than what we got.
I don't mind his death scene though, since it actually highlights one of Catwoman's character traits in the most recent comics, not to mention at that point, it was pretty much a free-for-all scenario what with the bomb going off so having the character killed with that posed the potential threat made sense. Actually his death scene was something that I just took as an icing on the cake, as Bane's character is essentially defeated the moment Batman stands up against and completely beats him in hand-to-hand. For me I guess, Bane already "died" the moment Bruce had beat the hell out of him followed by the "Tell me where the trigger is, THEN you have my permission to die." Mind you, what I really didn't like about the finale was how the conflict was something that was very much tangible (a bomb of all things) instead of being a concept (like "Gotham's soul" in regards to TDK). Nolan could've devised a more cerebral conflict instead of just giving us another chase scene that we all know too well how it would end.
I'm convinced that Bane is no simple henchmen though, since during interviews even after the film has come out, Nolan is quick to reference Ra's Al Ghul, Joker and Bane as the three core villains of the film trilogy. He even outlined their unique character traits in that Ra's Al Ghul was more religious, Joker the anti-system, and Bane the military dictator. From that, I tend to view the whole Gotham takeover and torment on Bruce as Bane's own doing, whereas the whole bomb ordeal is Talia's way of fulfilling Ra's Al Ghul's goal. After all, there's never a defined rule in storytelling that there should be only one main villain, and in this regard, I consider Bane and Talia as a two-part scheme: one to torment Bruce/Gotham (Bane) and the other to fulfill Ra's Al Ghul's destiny (Talia).
Personally I thought Bane's character was really well-constructed, my main issue actually lies with another one: Talia. The twist while "shocking" felt really out of nowhere. Not so much the revelation itself, but just the way her character was handled felt a bit haphazard. I would've wished to have seen some more proper interaction between Bruce and Talia to really give weight on that revelation, because Miranda just didn't seem well-developed enough to create a huge enough impact on the audience when she revealed herself as Talia. Not only was it rushed, but I dislike the fact that it can hamper down Bane's actions because "ERM MAH GERD, SHE'S THE REALZ VILLAIN". It's why I do hold Bane's character in higher regard. Bane felt like a twisted copycat version of the LOS that used Ra's Al Ghul's justification to screw over Batman, but the way that the revelation of Talia was handled felt like it just rehashed Ra's Al Ghul all over again and that to me, honestly felt rather redundant. It's not so much I condemn the idea of Talia being used as a proper character alongside Bane, it's the fact that the twist felt like it was just there to be clever when it actually felt rushed.
Disagree. Him being the protector in the pit adds a whole dimension to the movie that I really appreciate.
Yeah I actually don't mind the idea of him being a protector and how he allied himself to the LOS. It recalls of Bane's second proper conflict with Batman in the comics in which Bane fought Batman for the prize of being heir to Ra's Al Ghul's throne. While in the comics his connection to Talia was presented as being more of a romantic partner (winning the daughter's "heart" if he defeats Batman), I did like the angle that the film takes in that it feels like Bane was pampering Talia as her protector.
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