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Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

I think DocTroy said it well that Batman had everything that Bane wanted, and in that sense it is the anti-Batman. Plus fulfilling the LOS and Ra's dream... "I am the League of Shadows and I am here to fulfill Ra's al Ghul's destiny!"
 
Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

Explain the scarecrow avatar then...lol..

:rotfl it's only because Cillian is my favourite actor, although Hardy isn't far behind.

Plus a Bane avatar with my username wouldn't look right.
 
Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

Great posts guys. :clap





Seen it 4 times and I don't even know what woman you're referring to.




Another excellent post.



I'm mystified by this post. All the things that you wish we're in there totally are. :dunno


Regarding the last fight: Batman tried several techniques to damage the mask. Direct punches, his elbow, and finally a backhand with his gauntlet was successful. It was a percise hit with one of the blades, and he only managed to get the one hose. There is no way Batman was going to win without doing that.

And you didn't see (and hear) Bane's fear? That boggles my mind. It's extremely obvious that he is afraid. Its so obvious that many do not like Bane's character because they think it makes him look like a whimpering sissy (which I disagree with because of the points made in your post). You really didn't see the fear???

I think what's confusing about what I wrote is that I wanted it to be the focus of the fight. There was no buildup to how batman was going to attack bane. They didn't try to emphasize Bane's fear. It just happens and that's it. I feel like the movie should have dwelled on it a little more as it is a really big deal to Bane that he can now feel pain. There's a lot of character drama there. What I'm really complaining about, is that this stuff mostly took a back seat to the bomb stuff which I did not enjoy. The audience barely had time to appreciate the turning gears of the fight or the character development because they had to go stop the bomb.

Just as an example, we never know what Batman's plan is to defeat Bane. Nothing would have been different, if anything he should have been in worse shape doing all that travelling and what not. So the pipe thing, to me, just sort of happens. Anyway whatever, its not like they're going to re-do the movie and make it more character based.
 
Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

He was exiled by Ra's because he and Talia were ****ed in the head....(Talia was tainted by that prison no doubt).

He was a kamikaze who lied to the people with whacked out ideals. He has no honor.

...He's a whacked out prisoner who only escaped the pit because of a child. ... He joins them for awhile until Ra's finds out that Bane is bonkers, tainted his daughter and excommunicates him.

really? i have no idea what movie you saw. i must have missed all those scenes you describe.

also, bane and talia are no less kamikaze and honorless than ra's who set bruce's house on fire and leaves him to die (out of some warped sense of balance) and yet tells the guards to make sure he doesn't come out. pretty skank, that, ra's.
 
Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

I think DocTroy said it well that Batman had everything that Bane wanted, and in that sense it is the anti-Batman. Plus fulfilling the LOS and Ra's dream... "I am the League of Shadows and I am here to fulfill Ra's al Ghul's destiny!"

Yeah they should have explored that tension a little more
 
Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

I know what you're saying kia.

You're basically saying that Batman's upper hand, the second fight with Bane is unsatisfying.

I agree with you. It's not that Batman doesn't do those things, he does, but it happens to quick and the audience doesn't get to savor Batman's "win". It's not like a typical film where it's like, "yeah, Batman". As soon as he "defeats" Bane, yelling and yelling at him in some moronic manner, we get the plot twist.

Then Batman is cast aside again, tied, defeated, and helpless while Bane is back up and about to get the upper hand.

Right! You said it better than I could. It reminds me of the Joker interrogation scene where they were basically just talking but every line felt like a punch because we understood what both characters were after. The audience was totally along for the ride
 
Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

Never said Ra's had honor? :huh


Talia and Bane are just rehashes of Ra's. So is the plot and League of Shadows in general.

All a rehash from Begins. Been there, done that. Ra's is superior because of it. Also there's Liam Neeson. His role in the film as "Ducard", Bruce's mentor, and Ra's Al Ghul, Batman's enemy is a lot better and more compelling than Marion Cotillard's cheesy performance as Talia and Hardy's lolzy performance as Bane.

it's an intentional rehash and it's purposeful, so i don't have a problem with it. i like bane and i think nolan did pretty darn good (great!) given the challenge of what came before.

so i'm gonna enjoy my toys when bane comes out, because he's pretty dang awesome as a character ~ and pretty dang awesome in hot toys' 1/6 interpretation.

: D
 
Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

I think DocTroy said it well that Batman had everything that Bane wanted, and in that sense it is the anti-Batman. Plus fulfilling the LOS and Ra's dream... "I am the League of Shadows and I am here to fulfill Ra's al Ghul's destiny!"

Lets all agree with Skooter and be done with it ;)
 
Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

He was exiled by Ra's because he and Talia were ****ed in the head. Prison life at a young age will do that to you.

When Ra's saw Bane's ugly mug and probably his character, it reminded him of the loss of his wife and child (Talia was tainted by that prison no doubt).





Yup, you got it.


He was a kamikaze who lied to the people with whacked out ideals. He has no honor. Batman beats him and he's about to blow Batman away with a shot gun. Not very honorable.

If he had been that child in the pit, sure, I would have sympathized with him but, turns out, it wasn't him. He's a whacked out prisoner who only escaped the pit because of a child. A child whose father was leader of a terrorist organization. With the father's help, Bane is set free. He joins them for awhile until Ra's finds out that Bane is bonkers, tainted his daughter and excommunicates him.

Bane teams up with the daughter who is head of the organization and does horrible things, then dies a crappy death.

Bane won't be exactly how he is in the comics because this is a movie. Another writers interpretation of Batman. It's what comics are most famous for. Different variations of characters. They still deemed him a mercenary, a great and intelligent fighter (remember the first Batman/Bane fight where Bane is explaining to Batman while fighting why basically he will win, and they still kept Bane a prisoner who was experimented on. All the elements of Bane are there, they just changed some things for this version of a Batman story

I think what's confusing about what I wrote is that I wanted it to be the focus of the fight. There was no buildup to how batman was going to attack bane. They didn't try to emphasize Bane's fear. It just happens and that's it. I feel like the movie should have dwelled on it a little more as it is a really big deal to Bane that he can now feel pain. There's a lot of character drama there. What I'm really complaining about, is that this stuff mostly took a back seat to the bomb stuff which I did not enjoy. The audience barely had time to appreciate the turning gears of the fight or the character development because they had to go stop the bomb.

Just as an example, we never know what Batman's plan is to defeat Bane. Nothing would have been different, if anything he should have been in worse shape doing all that traveling and what not. So the pipe thing, to me, just sort of happens. Anyway whatever, its not like they're going to re-do the movie and make it more character based.

They did what they could with that by saying he was in perpetual agony and that the mask keeps the pain at bay. Making a couple references to it through out the movie until the last fight scene where Batman now knows that the mask helps subdue the pain and by tampering with it, gives him the edge that he needs. They still have in that last fight to a show of strength that still shows that Bane is still physically superior though. From the test of might to Bane smashing a concrete pillar with his bare hands.

I though that they did a great job with the movie (short of Talia. I admit I don't like that take on the character in the movie so much. Or the actress) and can't wait to have this Bane on my shelf!
 
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Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

Lets all agree with Skooter and be done with it ;)

:1-1:

I try. Definitely the point of him though, not only finished Ra's mission but also redeeming himself and showing Batman that he does have power. Talia to me didn't feel like the brain behind it at all, taking Bane from the comics and from TDKR I feel he is the true strategist and was bringing Talia along for the ride.
 
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They still have in that last fight to a how of strength that still shows that Bane is still physically superior.

Bane-punching-through-walls.png


Pretty strong if you ask me.
 
Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

According to the production crew, Bane's scar was the result of the poor treatment by the doctor on his spine injury (since supposedly his injuries extended beyond his face). Apparently it's the reason why he wears the large brace around his waist, sort of as a body crutch keeping his spinal muscles in proper alignment (or at least something like that). Another trivia they mentioned was how Bane's intelligence extended beyond tactical planning, as even his military vest was crafted by him by and him alone. It's such a shame that details like those were left out from the movie, as I felt that it really would've enhanced Bane's presence in the film. Don't even get me started on the deleted scenes that elaborated on his backstory.



I wouldn't rule out the Joker just yet. Not so much in disagreement with you, but I thought I'd add to the discussion:

Bane and Joker are different threats. Joker's goal was based on him proving a moralistic point. He wasn't just a loose cannon, and that's part of the character's deception, in that he tried to fool the people that he wasn't at fault due to his "craziness". He wanted to watch the whole world burn as people lost themselves, and that was the point he was trying to prove. It's definitely something that's frightening and because Joker's goal is more of an idea, his tactics tended to be more theatrical and psychological in their execution. Nolan had described Ra's Al Ghul as more of the antagonist with religious ideals, whereas Joker is more of the anti-system foe.

Now on the other hand, Hardy once described Bane's relationship to the criminals in that "some people want to watch the world burn, well Bane is here to pull the pin on the grenade". Unlike Joker, his goals were more absolute. Admittedly this makes his schemes more direct and less theatrical, as he tends to go for the direct source. He took over Gotham under the false pretense of liberation when in fact he established a dictatorship (with plans of killing everyone) for one reason: to torment Bruce Wayne. In contrast to the other two villains, Nolan described Bane's character as more militaristic, in that it combines both ideological and religious notions. He didn't need to prove a point about the city (like Joker), and as such he didn't need any moralistic justification since he recognizes himself as actually being "evil" (unlike Ra's Al Ghul). He wasn't acting like the judge, more than anything he was the sadistic executioner.

Their goals and depiction were most definitely different but both villains were absolutely brilliant in representing what they stood for.

EDIT: Sorry for the walls of text. :slap

All i can say is: fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate. Hate.. leads to suffering.
Yoda describes the final fight well enough. Watch the movie again. You can see bane's pain, and his fear for a few seconds, but he uses it and gets angry. Yoda rocks.

:goodpost:

What people get mixed up about Talia, is that she's NOT taking down Gotham for the LOS. She's doing it for revenge. She even outright states she could never forgive her father, until Bruce killed him. Talia is in it for personal reasons. Bane is in it to actually fulfill Ra's plan. He actually believes in the motives, and actions of the LOS. Where Talia, doesn't.

Bane is the leader of the LOS.

Talia uses the LOS for her personal vendetta.


:clap :clap :clap

Damn guys, this thread is turning into what I always wished the movie thread would be! :hi5:
 
Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

Talia to me didn't feel like the brain behind it at all, taking Bane from the comics and from TDKR I feel he is the true strategist and was bringing Talia along for the ride.

i think they were an equal team. i think talia was the strategist and he was the tactician. both were equally smart, capable, and brainwashed by the league who pitted them not only against bruce and gotham, but against even each other in some ways.
 
Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

Talia might have been better served if she came into the picture (another movie) after Bane was long gone. As it was, she did compete with Bane for mastermind status. I think she could have been written out of the entire movie without too many problems. The added badassery of Bane would have made it worthwhile.

Disagree. Him being the protector in the pit adds a whole dimension to the movie that I really appreciate.
 
Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

Disagree. Him being the protector in the pit adds a whole dimension to the movie that I really appreciate.

I think that it is really important that he does have at least a personal connection. Nevertheless, I think him being the leader of the LOS is impetus in it's own right.
 
Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

Bane's only connection to the events of the movie is Talia and by proxy Ra's. He loved Talia, protected her, suffered for her and then was rescued by her father which very likely was his father figure...

A father figure that shunned him in favor of a wealthy man given every advantage and consideration that Bane had never received. Bane is an incredibly complex character.
 
Bane's only connection to the events of the movie is Talia and by proxy Ra's. He loved Talia, protected her, suffered for her and then was rescued by her father which very likely was his father figure...

A father figure that shunned him in favor of a wealthy man given every advantage and consideration that Bane had never received. Bane is an incredibly complex character.

His father who shunned him and now he is looking for redemption and a way to pleaae him by doing his unfinished work.

Sent from the Monolith.
 
Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

Bane's only connection to the events of the movie is Talia and by proxy Ra's. He loved Talia, protected her, suffered for her and then was rescued by her father which very likely was his father figure...

A father figure that shunned him in favor of a wealthy man given every advantage and consideration that Bane had never received. Bane is an incredibly complex character.

I think he's an excellent character. One of my favorites. I really wish the movie explored him more. It's like they did all the hard work creating him and then forgot to cash in
 
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there just wasn't enough time, unfortunately. i wouldn't have minded one iota if nolan had made it longer to get all the good stuff in.
 
Re: Hot Toys – MMS183 - The Dark Knight Rises: Bane Collectible Figure

Yupp

Bane is looking for some sort of spiritual acceptance from the man who rescued him and brought him into the world, and from the only woman who could possibly understand or relate to him having grown up in the darkness like him
 
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