Hot Toys 1:6 Justice League Figure Speculation

[SilverStar17]

I agree. I still like it but of the Nolan films I personally have always liked Batman Begins the best. There's just something about it that I feel like neither sequel lived up to. I like the suit, I love the training sequences in the Himalayas with Ra's, seeing Bruce's development of the Batman, Scarecrow was cool to see even though I wish he'd have gotten more screen time, the overall tone and ambiance is cool. Just a great film that I feel gets overshadowed by The Dark Knight.


Wonder Woman is good don't get me wrong but I just don't think it's that good. I feel like it had a couple factors going for it. One that after three disappointing films it needed to be good or DC was going to be in an even bigger slump and compared to what came before it's obviously a lot better. The other thing I feel helped it is the fact that it's the first female led superhero film which there's nothing wrong with at all but I think people kind of got caught up in the hype train over that aspect personally. When I saw it I really felt like it was pretty average for the genre. Yeah Gadot is great and Pine is a good costar but in terms of story and the villains it's not a lot better than a lot of other superhero films and frankly I wouldn't even say it's the best this year. Logan was far better as a film and I had a lot more fun with Spider-Man: Homecoming. I'm really not trying to sell if short but I truly don't think it's as good as most have made it out to be.

I would agree with these sentiments.

TDK is a good film and I actually prefer that suit (/TDKR) to the BB one, but I do think I like the themes that were explored in BB a bit better. Like you mentioned, the training in the Himalayas and seeing Bruce's development as Batman were really cool.

WW I think is an awesome film, but I personally feel MoS and BvS (UE) are better than it. As divisive as this iteration of Superman is, I feel like they have more of a plan with him and know how they want to approach the character and where to try and take it; it was refreshing to see a more in depth look at the character with a slightly different approach and spin that hasn't been done before. WW I feel is pretty much your standard superhero film, but is a really good one.

 

[TheBatman]

WW I feel is pretty much your standard superhero film, but is a really good one.

Sometimes, thats really all you need. I guess im in the camp where I dont need a super serious movie. BvS and MoS fell flat in trying to be serious where it just looks goofy. Its almost like theyre trying to force it.

In any case, dont mean to offend you with the difference in opinion here.

I go watch these movies for entertainment first anyways.

If I wanted something serious, it wont be a comic book movie.

Moonlight was a good one that comes to mind.

La La Land was terrible... Still prefer Chicago or Moulin Rouge.

 

[dario2739]

Sometimes, thats really all you need. I guess im in the camp where I dont need a super serious movie. BvS and MoS fell flat in trying to be serious where it just looks goofy. Its almost like theyre trying to force it.

Can't personally agree with that – there was no "forcing" with BvS or MoS - the latter of which I still think is the best super hero movie to date... the tone was perfect for the modern day telling of Superman and how humans natural fears and xenophobia would be if a powerful alien like Superman really did appear – unlike previous "comic" movies, he would not be universally welcomed with open arms... just look at how we fight over who's version of god is the best!!!
I also hate this notion that because these are comic book movies they shouldn't be so dark and serious... people who believe that should go and check out what are considered the top 20 or so comic book/graphic novel stories of all time... all deadly serious storylines dealing with some very dark subjects.
The reason I dislike most of the Marvel movies is because they treat comic book characters comically - and disregard the source material... just look at what they've done to Thor – their movies are now comedy parodies akin to what Roger Moore's Bond was (and no I didn't like that version either)! Whereas, people who say "not muh Supeman" should really go and read Superman comics from the last 20-30 years (or more) and then tell me that, instead of basing their opinion on one film made in the 1980's... it's like comparing every version of Batman to Adam West!!!

 

[Captain Clown]

They slaughtered Jimmy Olsen and Mercy in the same movie they were both introduced in. Batfleck's first time out of the gate was in a movie where he mourned over a dead Robin, waged a one-man war on Superman, fought Doomsday alongside Superman and Wonder Woman, and ultimately attended Superman's funeral.

I like MoS and BvS a lot (not the tacked-on JL found footage stuff), but decisions like that really hurt the potential longevity of the DCEU - especially jumping the gun with the Death of Superman in Cavill's second outing as Supes.

Now they're going to have the Return of Superman, uniting the Justice League, and Cyborg, Aquaman, & Flash's origin stories all in the same movie. Heck, now Flash's first solo movie is supposedly going to be Flashpoint. There's just too much going on.

I don't think anyone's main criticism for BvS is that it "wasn't funny". Logan got great reviews.

 

[GaryPool]

Sometimes, thats really all you need. I guess im in the camp where I dont need a super serious movie. BvS and MoS fell flat in trying to be serious where it just looks goofy. Its almost like theyre trying to force it.

In any case, dont mean to offend you with the difference in opinion here.

I go watch these movies for entertainment first anyways.

If I wanted something serious, it wont be a comic book movie.

Moonlight was a good one that comes to mind.

La La Land was terrible... Still prefer Chicago or Moulin Rouge.

Hmm, I don't think it felt forced because it was actively trying to force being serious and thoughtful, I feel that comes across only because some people don't want or don't like serious or darker themes or character traits of these two characters, especially Superman. I don't think they can win at all trying to achieve that with people like that. It would be interesting to hear how you think they could have explored these themes in another way without feeling forced. Because at the moment a lot of people's arguments just stem from them growing up with Reeves films' and that Superman should always be a happy-go-lucky epitome of saving everyone and never feeling anything beyond I'm an American Scout Boy full of hope.

Sure I can understand that for some people it's a form of escapism and a good break from reality - but at the same time I can understand that for some people it's a form of escpaism and a touch with reality to show that everyone, including heroes, have their dark hours or fall, but it's how they continue that what makes them.

 

[xipotec]

Sometimes I feel like I did t watch the same films as some people on this forum......




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[TheBatman]

I feel that comes across only because some people don't want or don't like serious or darker themes or character traits of these two characters, especially Superman.

Thats moreso how I feel. Ill watch MoS and BvS again later, for maybe the 20th time and try my best to percieve what everyone else is percieveing and try my best not to reject it.

 

[Mike86]

The problem with Superman to me in particular is that this iteration just doesn't seem like the character. People are dying, whatevs I'm focused on my battle and can only make saves if it's Lois or my mom. I know they've shown him be heroic a bit but it comes off like this version of the character is very much about himself and his motives for being Superman and not always being the best hero in turn.

Batman wasn't so badly done in a lot of ways but how he blatantly killed people really bothered me as that's not the character (and yes, I know he's killed before but mostly not in main continuity or in modern versions of the character).

 

[TheBatman]

Im really hoping his rebirth in JL turns things around. As far as memes go, hopefully he's "muh Superman".

 

[dario2739]

The problem with Superman to me in particular is that this iteration just doesn't seem like the character. People are dying, whatevs I'm focused on my battle and can only make saves if it's Lois or my mom. I know they've shown him be heroic a bit but it comes off like this version of the character is very much about himself and his motives for being Superman and not always being the best hero in turn.

Batman wasn't so badly done in a lot of ways but how he blatantly killed people really bothered me as that's not the character (and yes, I know he's killed before but mostly not in main continuity or in modern versions of the character).

...And there in a nutshell is everything that's wrong with people's views on BvS!!!
"Doesn't seem like character" ...have you read a Superman comic in the last 20yrs?
"People are dying" ...yep, because Zod is an alien of equal – if not more - power than Superman himself, driven by rage and the desire to conquer the earth – he was portrayed as such, brilliantly by Michael Shannon... he's not going to stand around on the top of a building watching his minions fight Superman (very slowly) and allow him the time to save a few people - as he did in the Donner films, it's just not realist – just like in MoS where Superman tried to take the fight to space, Zod just brought it right back - he wanted the death and carnage, only by beating him would Superman stop it – how many would die if he took his attention of Zod for just ten seconds to save a cat from a tree? Oh, not to mention the small problem of a world-engine that would have killed everyone on this planet!
Let's face it, as good as Donner's Superman was, it's dated and of it's time – now we can portray the threat super-powered beings bring and the chaos they can cause – the DCEU have done this superbly so far, and the MCU's lack of this one of the reasons I don't like their movies.
As for Batman – I don't like him killing on screen – but to say BvS Batman killed more blatantly than others is wrong! Keaton's Batman smiled whilst burning alive a bad-guy, and whilst attaching a bomb to a bad-guy that blew him to bits! Do you think everyone made it out of the League of Shadows HQ when Bale set it on fire – and shouldn't Batman have saved Ra's, despite who he was? And did Bale's Batman check if the car's he blew up with the Bat-pod in TDK were empty before blowing them up, out of his way? And he was a bit reckless with the bullets whilst shooting glass doors and windows out of his way in a crowded shopping arcade!
Also, I've seen a body-count video on Youtube that is totally wrong too... adding way more deaths than there actually were!

 

[TheBatman]

 

[SilverStar17]

Batman blatantly killing with little disregard in BvS I believe was done intentionally, to help illustrate how unhinged the character had become. The whole point of these characters in the DCEU is they have an arc to them; each of their three marquee characters took a certain path to get to where they are now and unite as the JL. Just because they put on their respective suits, didn't mean they instantaneously were the character that everyone recognizes without any flaws, imperfections or learning to be done. The background story on how they come to espouse the values that we all know and recognize them for by overcoming their trials and tribulations is much more interesting to me than them automatically knowing precisely what to do in every situation at any given moment, starting at minute one right after donning their suit. I think the latter is what many people expected.

Sometimes I feel like I did t watch the same films as some people on this forum......

Likewise.

 

[Mike86]

Key difference with this Batman is that he's blatantly and very clearly making kills. For the record I haven't particularly liked other versions where he's killed either including Ra's.

...And there in a nutshell is everything that's wrong with people's views on BvS!!!
"Doesn't seem like character" ...have you read a Superman comic in the last 20yrs?
"People are dying" ...yep, because Zod is an alien of equal – if not more - power than Superman himself, driven by rage and the desire to conquer the earth – he was portrayed as such, brilliantly by Michael Shannon... he's not going to stand around on the top of a building watching his minions fight Superman (very slowly) and allow him the time to save a few people - as he did in the Donner films, it's just not realist – just like in MoS where Superman tried to take the fight to space, Zod just brought it right back - he wanted the death and carnage, only by beating him would Superman stop it – how many would die if he took his attention of Zod for just ten seconds to save a cat from a tree? Oh, not to mention the small problem of a world-engine that would have killed everyone on this planet!
Let's face it, as good as Donner's Superman was, it's dated and of it's time – now we can portray the threat super-powered beings bring and the chaos they can cause – the DCEU have done this superbly so far, and the MCU's lack of this one of the reasons I don't like their movies.
As for Batman – I don't like him killing on screen – but to say BvS Batman killed more blatantly than others is wrong! Keaton's Batman smiled whilst burning alive a bad-guy, and whilst attaching a bomb to a bad-guy that blew him to bits! Do you think everyone made it out of the League of Shadows HQ when Bale set it on fire – and shouldn't Batman have saved Ra's, despite who he was? And did Bale's Batman check if the car's he blew up with the Bat-pod in TDK were empty before blowing them up, out of his way? And he was a bit reckless with the bullets whilst shooting glass doors and windows out of his way in a crowded shopping arcade!
Also, I've seen a body-count video on Youtube that is totally wrong too... adding way more deaths than there actually were!

I'm not going to address this post in its entirety because of how long and drawn out it is. You make some valid points but at the end of the day Superman should be a hero. The times we live in now shouldn't effect that core of his character. His blatant disregard for what was happening during his battle with Zod is completely out of character. Of course I'm not saying he had to save every last person, but there could have been some effort shown to making it look like he was attempting to minimize the damage or help people. Again he only goes out of his way to make a save when Lois is in danger.

 

[SilverStar17]

You have to remember though, by the time Zod and Superman fought in MoS one on one, Zod's only intent at that point was to cause as much damage and harm as possible, which was a totally different agenda than Zod in SMII. In the climatic fight between the two in MoS, Superman spent the majority of his time chasing Zod because of this reason, Zod wasn't really chasing Superman. In SMII, it was vice versa. In MoS, if Superman was preoccupied helping a group of people that Zod had just wreaked havoc on, Zod would have been wreaking havoc elsewhere. Superman essentially would have simply been a fireman putting out Zod's fires per se as opposed to focusing on taking out the root issue on what's causing the fires.

 

[dario2739]

You have to remember though, by the time Zod and Superman fought in MoS one on one, Zod's only intent at that point was to cause as much damage and harm as possible, which was a totally different agenda than Zod in SMII. In the climatic fight between the two in MoS, Superman spent the majority of his time chasing Zod because of this reason, Zod wasn't really chasing Superman. In SMII, it was vice versa. In MoS, if Superman was preoccupied helping a group of people that Zod had just wreaked havoc on, Zod would have been wreaking havoc elsewhere. Superman essentially would have simply been a fireman putting out Zod's fires per se as opposed to focusing on taking out the root issue on what's causing the fires.

I just don't see how people can't grasp this!
Zod wanted to destroy the world and kill everyone... absolutely everyone... I get that Superman should save people, but this movie is based (as much as a comic book film can be) realism – if Superman had tried to save people before neutralising Zod it would have cause more death and destruction... simple as that!!!

 

[xipotec]

Superman should have thrown Zod into space, they could have fought there....


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[sj2106]

Superman was very young in MoS and BvS. The DCEU is showing his path to becoming the hero we know, he has more of an arc than previous iterations where he just shows up almost flawless from the start.

It might not work all the time but I'm glad they are taking a different approach to the character. We should get the payoff in JL and his next solo movie....if WB ever green light one.

 

[SilverStar17]

I just don't see how people can't grasp this!

Because some people just want to find a reason to dislike it.

I understand there's many people who simply didn't like it because it didn't appeal to their taste or wasn't their preference or style; which is completely fine, I totally get that. However, when you essentially move from talking point to talking point after one gets refuted in sort of a "well, what about this..." or "well, what about the time when he...." type manner, it makes it seem as if you're just looking for a reason to dislike it.

Superman should have thrown Zod into space, they could have fought there....


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They did end up fighting in space for a time, until Zod pushed Superman back down and they tussled, and Supes got the upper hand on him on the way down, just before they crash landed. Many times, Supes attempted to keep their battle in the air, whereas Zod tried to keep it in the city as much as possible because again, his agenda was to kill as many people and inflict as much damage as possible; he even stated this himself before the two engaged in battle. Fighting Superman wasn't his number one priority; stopping Zod, was Superman's priority.

 

[Popnfresh98]

I'm going to post a very unpopular opinion.. so flame shields up lol.. first of all I love mos and bvs and I like gal as wondy, but the solo WW movie was not good. I don't know how that is praised so highly while people shyte on the Snyder films. Heck it even has snyders old slow motion that he seems to have outgrown some time ago, but done way more cheesily, like bad wire work from the first couple of xmen movies. Actually that's a good way to sum up the whole movie for me, like it went back in time to the early 2000s, followed a very traditional script beat for beat, had the laughably bad CG effects (which lets remember people railed on MOS n BVS for) which somehow get a pass, and had laughably bad villain whom gets a pass while eisenberg gets shyte on too (who's not my vision of lex either but cmon he was better than ares).

It had shots where she's moving in front of what is so clearly a green screen as everything is so disconnected in the foreground and back ground. The amazonians have weird Transylvania accents instead of Greek for some reason? The story ends with the fact that Diana learns it's not just ares but all men who have violence in their hearts. Then she promptly kills ares and ... everyone hugs it out? It follows 0 logic of any kind. And again the overlong CG finale is overlooked while bvs was criticized to kingdom come. Then to top it off it ends on that uber cheesy jump into the foreground in slow motion against clear CG shot that just looks like the campiest thing out of the 80s.

The only thing I liked about the movie was Gadot and Pine in their roles. It's not suicide squad bad but it's not good.

Haha please don't hate me there's no offense intended, everyone is welcome to their own opinions. Btw the worst mcu or dceu movie to me is Thor the dark world. .

 

[weisun79]

I'm going to post a very unpopular opinion.. so flame shields up lol.. first of all I love mos and bvs and I like gal as wondy, but the solo WW movie was not good. I don't know how that is praised so highly while people shyte on the Snyder films. Heck it even has snyders old slow motion that he seems to have outgrown some time ago, but done way more cheesily, like bad wire work from the first couple of xmen movies. Actually that's a good way to sum up the whole movie for me, like it went back in time to the early 2000s, followed a very traditional script beat for beat, had the laughably bad CG effects (which lets remember people railed on MOS n BVS for) which somehow get a pass, and had laughably bad villain whom gets a pass while eisenberg gets shyte on too (who's not my vision of lex either but cmon he was better than ares).

It had shots where she's moving in front of what is so clearly a green screen as everything is so disconnected in the foreground and back ground. The amazonians have weird Transylvania accents instead of Greek for some reason? The story ends with the fact that Diana learns it's not just ares but all men who have violence in their hearts. Then she promptly kills ares and ... everyone hugs it out? It follows 0 logic of any kind. And then to top it off it ends on that uber cheesy jump into the foreground in slow motion against clear CG shot that just looks like the campiest thing out of the 80s.

The only thing I liked about the movie was Gadot and Pine in their roles. It's not suicide squad bad but it's not good.

Haha please don't hate me there's no offense intended, everyone is welcome to their own opinions. Btw the worst mcu or dceu movie to me is Thor the dark world. .

I am a DCEU fan and i loved MOS and BvS, personally i think SS as just an action flick.

WW, loved it too but it does not have the depth and character arc as they did in BvS.
Abit over rated in my opinion, but overall it's a good origin story..
Still happy that DCEU finally has the general audience's approval.

It will ensure WB continue to expand DCEU which is a good thing in my book..
Not good for the wallet tho, more HT to collect....

My 2 cents.

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