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[dario2739]

Superman should have thrown Zod into space, they could have fought there....

Erm... he did, Zod flew straight back to Metropolis (sorry if you were being sarcastic - hard to tell)

 

[SilverStar17]

I am a DCEU fan and i loved MOS and BvS, personally i think SS as just an action flick.

WW, loved it too but it does not have the depth and character arc as they did in BvS.
Abit over rated in my opinion, but overall it's a good origin story..
Still happy that DCEU finally has the general audience's approval.

It will ensure WB continue to expand DCEU.

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I agree with this.

WW was a very good film, but I feel it just didn't have quite the same depth as what MoS and BvS did. It was pretty straightforward. However, at the same time, I think for her that's all you needed because that's all her character necessitates, so it was a good origin story. SS was decent, but it's distant from the other three films.

My list for the DCEU thus far from best film to last would be:

1. BvS (UE)
2. MoS
3. WW
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4. SS

 

[dario2739]

Because some people just want to find a reason to dislike it.

I understand there's many people who simply didn't like it because it didn't appeal to their taste or wasn't their preference or style; which is completely fine, I totally get that. However, when you essentially move from talking point to talking point after one gets refuted in sort of a "well, what about this..." or "well, what about the time when he...." type manner, it makes it seem as if you're just looking for a reason to dislike it.

Very well put – exactly what I feel, but you put it better than I could!

 

[Popnfresh98]

Yes it's true that the general audience approval is good for the dceu... and for hot toys haha. I love the amount of detail that goes into the dceu costuming. Even suicide squad gets points there. Translates into some spectacular figures for us. And despite what I said I have WW on pre-order as my view of the film doesn't do anything against my love of the character. So close now... can't wait!

My order would be
Mos
BvS
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WW
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And the dots pretty much go on forever lol

 

[sj2106]

No one should hate anyone for having a different opinion of a movie. If some don't rate WW that's just fine. For me it was a much better origin movie than MoS and my favourite comic book movie since TDK.

I really enjoy BvS ue but feel it's still not executed quite as well as WW. The fact that WW didn't need an extended cut to fix serious pacing and story problems speaks volumes.

 

[weisun79]

I agree with this.

WW was a very good film, but I feel it just didn't have quite the same depth as what MoS and BvS did. It was pretty straightforward. However, at the same time, I think for her that's all you needed because that's all her character necessitates, so it was a good origin story. SS was decent, but it's distant from the other three films.

My list for the DCEU thus far from best film to last would be:

1. BvS (UE)
2. MoS
3. WW
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4. SS [emoji38]

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[SilverStar17]

No one should hate anyone for having a different opinion of a movie. If some don't rate WW that's just fine. For me it was a much better origin movie than MoS and my favourite comic book movie since TDK.

I really enjoy BvS ue but feel it's still not executed quite as well as WW. The fact that WW didn't need an extended cut to fix serious pacing and story problems speaks volumes.

I totally agree.

However, BvS didn't need an extended cut; the extended cut was/is the actual film and I believe was intended to be. It's not like they released the initial theatrical version, then went back and added content to fill in the gaps after they realized the theatrical cut wasn't as cohesive. They truncated the actual film simply to cut down time to allow for more showings in theaters and consequently, it caused story issues in the (shortened) film.

 

[ShadowX81]

Can't personally agree with that – there was no "forcing" with BvS or MoS - the latter of which I still think is the best super hero movie to date... the tone was perfect for the modern day telling of Superman and how humans natural fears and xenophobia would be if a powerful alien like Superman really did appear – unlike previous "comic" movies, he would not be universally welcomed with open arms... just look at how we fight over who's version of god is the best!!!

It doesn't mean that is a story we need to explore in a Superman movie. All that crap can occur off screen or at least not in a way that drags the film down.

I also hate this notion that because these are comic book movies they shouldn't be so dark and serious... people who believe that should go and check out what are considered the top 20 or so comic book/graphic novel stories of all time... all deadly serious storylines dealing with some very dark subjects.

Its about what is appropriate for the character. Batman of course, it makes sense to be dark because of the character and source material. Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, and Superman not at all. Superman isn't a dark character. He's not brooding, tortured, or conflicted. He is an optimist and symbol of hope for all mankind. The tone of the movie (and its color palate) should reflect that.

The reason I dislike most of the Marvel movies is because they treat comic book characters comically - and disregard the source material...

Not everything that isn't dreary, dark, and brooding is comical.

 

[dario2739]

It doesn't mean that is a story we need to explore in a Superman movie. All that crap can occur off screen or at least not in a way that drags the film down.

Its about what is appropriate for the character. Batman of course, it makes sense to be dark because of the character and source material. Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, and Superman not at all. Superman isn't a dark character. He's not brooding, tortured, or conflicted. He is an optimist and symbol of hope for all mankind. The tone of the movie (and its color palate) should reflect that.

Not everything that isn't dreary, dark, and brooding is comical.

Oh - so Superman shouldn't explore xenophobia or anything like that – he should be a smiling, all american boy helping grannies across the road? That's bull****! Check out his early history, some very dark stuff!
The great thing about MoS is that rather than treat the movie as a comic book movie, it cleverly treats it as an alien movie – which after all Superman is, and a character as well known and loved as Superman is perfect to explore these themes.

And as you say, not everything that isn't dark and brooding is comical – but you missed the point! You don't like Superman because you say his character is wrong – well read the comics and you'll see it's not, however you find a GoTG comic where Drax the Destroyer is a laughing buffoon, of where Stark is the wisecracking rogue instead of the alcoholic... or Thor talks like a blonde surfer dude, etc. etc.
Apart from Capt. America and a few minor characters - and maybe Vision, the MCU has totally changed their characters but nothing is said - mostly because their fans are movie fans and not comic fans! You may not like the Superman of MoS, but he certainly is in character! We're all entitled to our preferences, but you can't say it's wrong when it's not!

Oh, and for the record BvS and MoS most certainly are not dreary – Ant-Man, Dr. Strange, Age of Ultron, Thor 1 & 2... now they were dreary!

 

[sj2106]

I totally agree.

However, BvS didn't need an extended cut; the extended cut was/is the actual film and I believe was intended to be. It's not like they released the initial theatrical version, then went back and added content to fill in the gaps after they realized the theatrical cut wasn't as cohesive. They truncated the actual film simply to cut down time to allow for more showings in theaters and consequently, it caused story issues in the (shortened) film.

Let's hope they don't make the same mistake with Justice League. The rumours of a near three hour theatrical cut make me more optimistic. Please WB don't make jarring to squeeze in more screenings per day.

I still think BvS would have passed $1b had they put out the UE from the start.

 

[dario2739]

Let's hope they don't make the same mistake with Justice League. The rumours of a near three hour theatrical cut make me more optimistic. Please WB don't make jarring to squeeze in more screenings per day.

I still think BvS would have passed $1b had they put out the UE from the start.

Totally agree – whilst I had no problem with the theatrical cut (being a fan of the source material helps) – the UE is far, far better.
Let's hope WB learned their lesson when it comes to editing!

 

[JediJones]

Everyone has their own opinion of course but I'd have to disagree on Wonder Woman. For me it is my favourite super hero movie since The Dark Knight. Judging by the favourable reviews and great box office I'm not alone in that.

I fully agree. Wonder Woman is one of the all-time great superhero origin movies. Johns and Jenkins had a goal to do for Wonder Woman what Donner's first Superman did for Superman, and they did exactly that. The box office has been a cultural phenomenon just under where the original Spider-Man, Batman and Superman were and outpacing Iron Man and every other superhero origin story.

What matters with a superhero origin story more than anything else is did you capture the essence of that character and make people UNDERSTAND why the character has been popular for decades and has touched so many people? Wonder Woman truly did that. Donner's Superman absolutely did that. After that, it's hard to say any movie nailed it on that level. Spider-Man 2 did it better than Spider-Man, even though it wasn't an origin movie. Iron Man probably basically did it, but the character simply isn't that great, interesting or iconic and the movie couldn't change that. The alcoholism is the only thing that ever made the character deep and the movies all but ignored it, except for a great scene hinting at in Iron Man 2. Batman Begins sort of achieved being a great origin movie, but suffers from Nolan's too-realistic, less comic-booky approach and his being saddled with fifth-rate villains.

It's ridiculous to see the nitpicking of the DCEU. I completely disagree on this whole idea of needing to have a "vision" of "where you're going." I have NO idea what that even means. It's just gobbledygook. What you NEED are good movies. The "vision" will take care of itself. A bunch of continuity is meaningless if the movies are bland, thin, shallow, formulaic, dumbed-down-for-the-kiddies tripe, like the MCU has been putting out every other movie since Avengers. And when it comes to continuity, the way the Wonder Woman WW1 photo was used was more effectively done as a weighty, substantial bit of continuity than anything the MCU has ever attempted. Seeing the Justice League unfold has felt more natural, interesting and fun than the absolutely forced and belabored way the movie Avengers were put together. The MCU is as obvious as a frying pan in the face while the DCEU maintains a sense of mystery and subtlety. The DCEU doesn't telegraph its moves and explain everything it's trying to do in painstaking, straightforward fashion. MCU fanboys tend to interpret that as there "not being a plan." They're too used to being carefully spoonfed storylines and plot points in a way that's designed for kindergarteners to be able to understand.

 

[TheBatman]

They're too used to being carefully spoonfed storylines and plot points in a way that's designed for kindergarteners to be able to understand.

Wow, you must be high and mighty... I saw you trying to "police" the SSC code thread too..

Please, do tell us more about your awesomeness and high-horse position. Im sure everyone wants to hear your exploits in a toy forum... Please, do tell..

 

[GaryPool]

*Quietly sits in the corner playing with his Superman and Batman toys whilst the argument fades*

 

[JediJones]

It doesn't mean that is a story we need to explore in a Superman movie. All that crap can occur off screen or at least not in a way that drags the film down.

That's not "crap." That IS the story. Comic books stopped being only for kiddies in the 1980s. I couldn't understand Dark Knight Returns or Watchmen when I was a kid. But now I can't settle for anything less adult and complex than that. If they want to make superhero stories for kids, they need to do those in the animated versions and leave the live-action films for adult sensibilities. Superman isn't interesting if he's in some fantasy, Disney-fied version of the world. The DCEU brought him into the real world and deals with how he would really be viewed and treated now. Without that, you don't have a film that's relevant or worth watching.

Its about what is appropriate for the character. Batman of course, it makes sense to be dark because of the character and source material. Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, and Superman not at all. Superman isn't a dark character. He's not brooding, tortured, or conflicted. He is an optimist and symbol of hope for all mankind. The tone of the movie (and its color palate) should reflect that.

Never heard of Kraven's Last Hunt? The reason the Fantastic Four movies were so bad is precisely because they had this obscenely insipid light and fluffy view of the world and the characters. The characters and conflicts had no weight or depth to them. Batman isn't dark because he's "Batman." Remember the Adam West series? Super Friends? Batman was simply one of the first characters they "fixed" to not be a cartoony, comical joke, because Frank Miller's vision happened to be built around Batman. Notice no one expects Daredevil to be light and fluffy either. Once again, not because of anything built into the character. It's because the character was finally made memorable by a writer who put him in the REAL world. Exactly what the DCEU is trying to do for all its characters. The CHARACTERS aren't getting dark, their world is getting real. I don't see a single bit of moral change in Superman in the DCEU. He's the same person he always was. He's just dealing with a more complex world. The reason the climactic BVS battle works so well is because he has been put into an untenable position BECAUSE of his moral code. If he had no moral code, he wouldn't have to think twice about killing Batman to save his mom.

Not everything that isn't dreary, dark, and brooding is comical.

But the MCU movies that are built around "light"-toned stories filled with one-liners and team-ups are what's comical. I mean, they purposely didn't even MENTION Uncle Ben in Homecoming. F that. Dr. Strange was a good movie, but even that was mucked up with nonsensical, cringe-inducing slapstick about his cape beating people up. The MCU is putting out the most cornball superhero movies since Richard Pryor appeared in Superman 3. They're undoing all the wonderful weight, depth, realism and darkness put into the genre in the 30 years since Dark Knight Returns and slowly dialing the live-action superhero genre back to the Adam West days. I think they had a "vision" leading up to the Avengers and fulfilled it. Since then, they've been totally rudderless. Anything you can say about the DCEU being directionless or inconsistent applies much more fully to the post-Avengers MCU. These movies aren't even developing their own star characters properly let alone building up to anything meaningful. The half-baked Cap/Sharon Carter romance in Civil War was utterly pathetic compared to the great relationship between Wonder Woman and Steve Trevor.

 

[spindrift]

That's not "crap." That IS the story. Comic books stopped being only for kiddies in the 1980s. I couldn't understand Dark Knight Returns or Watchmen when I was a kid. But now I can't settle for anything less adult and complex than that. If they want to make superhero stories for kids, they need to do those in the animated versions and leave the live-action films for adult sensibilities. Superman isn't interesting if he's in some fantasy, Disney-fied version of the world. The DCEU brought him into the real world and deals with how he would really be viewed and treated now. Without that, you don't have a film that's relevant or worth watching.



Never heard of Kraven's Last Hunt? The reason the Fantastic Four movies were so bad is precisely because they had this obscenely insipid light and fluffy view of the world and the characters. The characters and conflicts had no weight or depth to them. Batman isn't dark because he's "Batman." Remember the Adam West series? Super Friends? Batman was simply one of the first characters they "fixed" to not be a cartoony, comical joke, because Frank Miller's vision happened to be built around Batman. Notice no one expects Daredevil to be light and fluffy either. Once again, not because of anything built into the character. It's because the character was finally made memorable by a writer who put him in the REAL world. Exactly what the DCEU is trying to do for all its characters. The CHARACTERS aren't getting dark, their world is getting real. I don't see a single bit of moral change in Superman in the DCEU. He's the same person he always was. He's just dealing with a more complex world. The reason the climactic BVS battle works so well is because he has been put into an untenable position BECAUSE of his moral code. If he had no moral code, he wouldn't have to think twice about killing Batman to save his mom.



But the MCU movies that are built around "light"-toned stories filled with one-liners and team-ups are what's comical. I mean, they purposely didn't even MENTION Uncle Ben in Homecoming. F that. Dr. Strange was a good movie, but even that was mucked up with nonsensical, cringe-inducing slapstick about his cape beating people up. The MCU is putting out the most cornball superhero movies since Richard Pryor appeared in Superman 3. They're undoing all the wonderful weight, depth, realism and darkness put into the genre in the 30 years since Dark Knight Returns and slowly dialing the live-action superhero genre back to the Adam West days. I think they had a "vision" leading up to the Avengers and fulfilled it. Since then, they've been totally rudderless. Anything you can say about the DCEU being directionless or inconsistent applies much more fully to the post-Avengers MCU. These movies aren't even developing their own star characters properly let alone building up to anything meaningful. The half-baked Cap/Sharon Carter romance in Civil War was utterly pathetic compared to the great relationship between Wonder Woman and Steve Trevor.

Wow! Exactly- people love to tear into something that is beyond the reach or sight of a MCU movie- I think IW will muck it up with so-called "characters exiting" We'll see- it might be wholesome and generic like the ridiculous CW make-up between Cap and Tony

 

[TheBatman]

Really hoping JL takes off. After Marvel's IW/A4, I am probably limiting my Marvel entertainment to go DC.

One of the only characters that keep me in Marvel is Captain America. If that guy goes out due to contract, then so am I.

 

[Popnfresh98]

Really hoping JL takes off. After Marvel's IW/A4, I am probably limiting my Marvel entertainment to go DC.

One of the only characters that keep me in Marvel is Captain America. If that guy goes out due to contract, then so am I.

I too hope JL soars. I also hope the vision hasn't been compromised after all the backlash.

Haha that's funny the only thing I watch the MCU for is Iron Man, tho he is getting a bit long in the tooth now.

Wait a minute... Team Cap.. Team Iron man... Civil dispute!!!

 

[ShadowX81]

Oh - so Superman shouldn't explore xenophobia or anything like that – he should be a smiling, all american boy helping grannies across the road? That's bull****!

Yes, that's exactly who he should be. DC's Captain America. A modern day retelling of Hercules or Jesus. If you don't like it, i'd recommend Batman.

Check out his early history, some very dark stuff!

I'm not seeing it. Then again there were a lot of weird things in Superman's early history while they were still figuring the character out. What matters is who he is now.

That's not "crap." That IS the story. Comic books stopped being only for kiddies in the 1980s. I couldn't understand Dark Knight Returns or Watchmen when I was a kid. But now I can't settle for anything less adult and complex than that. If they want to make superhero stories for kids, they need to do those in the animated versions and leave the live-action films for adult sensibilities. Superman isn't interesting if he's in some fantasy, Disney-fied version of the world. The DCEU brought him into the real world and deals with how he would really be viewed and treated now. Without that, you don't have a film that's relevant or worth watching.

What exactly is realistic about a world that is only a shade above black and white? I'm looking out the window right now and its pretty bright and colorful out in the "real world". The pendulum of "realism" swung way too far in the other direction.

Its a pretty sophomoric view of art to declare that anything that is "dark and adult" must be "complex and smart" when its just one palate in a shade of many that defines the human experience. Yea, there's a lot of crap going on in the world, but its also filled with hope, humor, optimism, and inspiration. These are the things we strive for in our lives and it defines us as humans. In a way, its much more realistic than the unsentimental, objective, and almost robotic world view presented by filmmakers like Christopher Nolan.

Being "relevant" does in no way equate to the film being worth watching. Being entertaining does. And BvS was not.

Batman isn't dark because he's "Batman." Remember the Adam West series? Super Friends?

Yea, and outside of camp appeal both of those are considered some of the worst interpretations of Batman precisely because they don't play to the strengths of the character.

Notice no one expects Daredevil to be light and fluffy either. Once again, not because of anything built into the character.

Its entirely because of the traits built into the character.

It's because the character was finally made memorable by a writer who put him in the REAL world. Exactly what the DCEU is trying to do for all its characters.

No, its because being put in the so called "real" world worked for the character. Notice how there is absolutely zero pushback to Daredevil or Batman being made dark characters. its appropriate for them. There is a lot of pushback to making Superman that way because it isn't who the character is.

The CHARACTERS aren't getting dark, their world is getting real. I don't see a single bit of moral change in Superman in the DCEU. He's the same person he always was. He's just dealing with a more complex world. The reason the climactic BVS battle works so well is because he has been put into an untenable position BECAUSE of his moral code. If he had no moral code, he wouldn't have to think twice about killing Batman to save his mom.

Zero change? The Superman I know would do something, anything to try and quell the damage around him (as he did in Superman Returns). Or the writers at the very least severely tone down the destruction **** to keep the focus away from the inevitable deaths and more on what Superman means to people when he saves the day.


But if you want to keep putting your hands in your ears and still declare that this is still a brilliant film as almost every critic and audience member completely tore this dumpster fire apart, be my guest. But the general public isn't buying it. And you can't dismiss that when even DC is worried.

Dr. Strange was a good movie, but even that was mucked up with nonsensical, cringe-inducing slapstick about his cape beating people up.

Admittedly you are 100% correct here.

 

[TheBatman]

I cant imagine Batman being a boy scout golden boy rather than the broody gritty guy that he is...

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