Hot Toys - 1/6 TIE Fighter

[DiFabio]

"The Bat: 1/6 scale collectible"

 

[jkno]

I don't visit the 1/6 section much but have to question the age of some of the guys here. It really sounds like I'm in high school.

I don't think one person has said they don't want this made. Not one. All of us would be in awe if something this large (regardless of exact scale) was produced.

Personally, if they are planning to make the various versions of the tie, I hope they go with something half this size. Heck, I would even be happy with them being the same scale as my code 3 stuff. It was a shame they never got a chance to do this, the at-at or landspeeder.

Code 3 said they wanted to make an AT-AT, never got the chance. EFX might take it into consideration for their Precision Cast line, but the question with them is WHEN? Long ago Kotobukiya said they will make a TIE hangar similar to their X-Wing model, never happened.

Maybe HT will make one in a smaller scale too, and others to follow as well.

I think you are misunderstand most people, myself included, point. We are not saying we don't WANT it. For me want has zero to do with it. I'd buy it in a second. It's what we think the REALITY of it is. I've not seen anyone say DONT but a lot of WONT. That's a rather large distinction you seem to be missing.

I don't know what you do, or how long you have collected or what experience you have. But this stuff isn't new. Every convention has thousands of display pieces that never get produced. Hot toys, hasbro, neca, Mattel...all of them and every other manufacture on earth do it. From SEMA and E3 to the Detroit auto show and SDCC...there's so much stuff made and shown that never gets a wide release. Just becuase a company has the capabilities to make a product does not mean it has the obligation, or desire, or resources, or permission or whatever else to do so. Hot toys made a full 1/1 hulkbuster, a 1/6 bat, a professor x, Prometheus figures, 1/1 ultron, 1:6 stark wine cellar...all not produced. And lots more.

Even if a tie fighter gets made, it doesn't mean things like a 1/6 Falcon are coming. A 25ft toy space ship that is the cost of a Range Rover is just not going to happen. When the previous most expensive item a company has produced is 800 bucks and 2ft tall and is considered huge...something that's 30 times as large is pretty out there.

It's not just about end customers but distributors and retailers. Hot toys does not sell direct except at toy hunters and secret base. The way it works if a retailer wanted to sell the item they would be required to commit to buying X number of them from hot toys (or a distributor). That's a large risk. On top of space issues. There's QC things to think about.

Exactly! There are protos that never got made, from almost all collectible companies, so that is to be expected with some items. Don't think there was a person who said he/she doesn't want HT to make this TIE. Even if a person doesn't collect in that scale or that particular product, I think everyone understands that by having a variety of collectibles for everyone to choose from, would make the fans happy, and thus the collectible companies happy as well. And thus HT might address other cool items that we dream about.

 

[noisyrobot]

This thing is so huge, you couldn't own it, it'd own you.
It's impressive that Hot Toys even considered making this. I think those saying it could pack down for shipping easily are probably right. The price isn't going to be as crazy as a 1/6 X-Wing, that's for sure.

... but important nerd detail- does it say 'LOCKHEED' on the greeblies of the centre of the wing structure?

 

[Hoody999]

Yeah I was saying removable wings but then even there are two big for standard shipping unless they are multiple pieces. And yeah it 4 times bigger then the EFX.

Ever built a lego x-wing or tie fighter ? The wings on both are mirror images. This helps a lot with tooling cost of course. Even if they split the tie wings into 4 quadrants. Packing size would be minimised a lot. A bit of assembly adds to the fun I think.

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[Hoody999]

I don't understand why people don't think this can be made and shipped, Sideshow makes much larger and heavier 1:1 statues and props (I believe in China) and ships them anywhere in the world. The only thing that would prevent this from being produced is not enough interest from people willing to pay what it will cost. The Bat wasn't made in 1:6 because there wasn't enough interest to justify the higher production cost, the 1:12 Bat would've cost less in production so they went that route. The Tie Fighter has a lot more fans and is far more iconic, so it's very possible this will get made.
I still think it's under scaled though. [emoji14]

Exactly. And I would bet HT uses foruns just like this to gauge interest and opinions.

So who wants this or an 1:6 X-Wing maybe ?

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[Hoody999]

Vader TIE will be hard to resist. Must show wife so she can give me that look.

Haha ! Exactly !!!

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[SNIKT1950]

"The Bat: 1/6 scale collectible"





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Again, Howard got cold feet with The Bat. Plus, again, The Bat is nowhere near as iconic as any OT Star Wars vehicle. That's why I don't see The Bat as a PSA stating "HT will never make large scale 1/6 SW vehicles."

There's no precedent for this.

 

[DiFabio]

I'm just saying, they've used a plaque card to advertise something before and it never came to be. Well, it did, it just wasn't the same scale, it became half the size. I see no reason as to why the TIE fighter won't experience the same fate.

As for iconic vehicles go, I don't think that matters. People went nuts when Hot Toys kept posting their backstage teasers for the 1/6 Bat. Like you, they were enthusiastic and wanted to buy a huge 1/6 Batman vehicle. They never realized how impractical it actually was though and were disappointed when it was scaled down to 1/12 scale. Now the interest in it is practically dead. So there is a precedent for it. It's reasonable to assume that the Tie won't be available for purchase in 1/6 form, because the Bat, a much ballyhooed, large scale vehicle, was scrapped in the end.

 

[Glennfett]

Easily....star wars is greater than batman.
You will get more fans biting on this than batfans buying the bat.

 

[DiFabio]

Easily....star wars is greater than batman.
You will get more fans biting on this than batfans buying the bat.

Tell that to the people from 2012 in that section that were beyond hyped.


https://www.sideshowcollectors.com/...0993-tdkr-hot-toys-1-6-scale-vehicle-bat.html


That thread went on the same rollercoaster ride this one is on. A bunch of euphoric, "OMG, THEY'RE MAKING A HUGE VEHICLE!!!!!!!! THIS IS INSANE!!!!!! HOW MUCH? I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!


To this,



https://www.sideshowcollectors.com/...r-deluxe-selina-bomb-official-specs-pics.html

 

[SNIKT1950]

I'm just saying, they've used a plaque card to advertise something before and it never came to be. Well, it did, it just wasn't the same scale, it became half the size. I see no reason as to why the TIE fighter won't experience the same fate.

As for iconic vehicles go, I don't think that matters. People went nuts when Hot Toys kept posting their backstage teasers for the 1/6 Bat. Like you, they were enthusiastic and wanted to buy a huge 1/6 Batman vehicle. They never realized how impractical it actually was though and were disappointed when it was scaled down to 1/12 scale. Now the interest in it is practically dead. So there is a precedent for it. It's reasonable to assume that the Tie won't be available for purchase in 1/6 form, because the Bat, a much ballyhooed, large scale vehicle, was scrapped in the end.

I disagree, the iconography has everything to do with it. It pretty much determines sales. The Bat was a Batman vehicle. Sure there was demand for it, I myself would have bought it, but Howard wasn't ready to enter the thousand-dollar collectible arena just yet.

Now, this is Star Wars. The franchise is completely revitalized so the demand for 1/6 SW vehicles is there and then some. The sales for this TIE Fighter would completely obliterate those for The Bat had it been released. And that's just a TIE Fighter.

Using The Bat as evidence that HT will never make 1/6 SW vehicles is not reasonable but rather mistaken. This is their first attempt at a 1/6 Star Wars vehicle. This will set the precedent for any other 1/6 SW vehicles to come.

 

[DiFabio]

We'll see I guess.


Just remember, that plaque card means nothing until it actually goes up for order. That was the point of contention here. They certainly put in a lot of effort and advertising into something that ultimately never came to be.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Never going to happen.

From Gordon Ng on FB:

News of coming ANI-COM 2015 Hong Kong disclosed that there will be a large diorama for Star Wars featuring a 1/6 MILLENNIUM FALCON 18 ft long x 12 ft wide x 4 ft height weight 1 tone, followed by two 1/6 TIE Fighters with over 50 stormtroopers re-creating the scene of the Falcon landing and captured in the Death Star.

That settles it guys. A company printed "Sixth Scale Collectable" on a piece of cardboard. We'll get this for sure.

Well, why bother with the "piece of cardboard" at all then? Why bother identifying it as a 1/6 collectible if its not? I don't see the logic in that.

 

[Mr Walker]

From Gordon Ng on FB:

Don't care. You may see one for promotional purposes, you'll never see a production run.

From Gordon Ng on FB:

Well, why bother with the "piece of cardboard" at all then? Why bother identifying it as a 1/6 collectible if its not? I don't see the logic in that.[/QUOTE]

Promotional. Did similar for "The Bat". It's a piece of cardboard. Means nothing.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Don't care. You may see one for promotional purposes, you'll never see a production run.

When you start your argument with "Don't care." its difficult for me to retort seriously.

Promotional. Did similar for "The Bat". It's a piece of cardboard. Means nothing.

So we're back to The Bat being indisputable evidence that HT will never produce 1/6 SW vehicles? Can't agree with you there.

And again, if the "piece of cardboard" means nothing, they could have saved valuable man power and not bothered with it at all. No logic in identifying it as a 1/6 Collectible if its not.

 

[SithThundercracker]

Star Wars >>>>>>>>>>> Batman

 

[SNIKT1950]

Easily....star wars is greater than batman.
You will get more fans biting on this than batfans buying the bat.

Star Wars >>>>>>>>>>> Batman

This.

 

[Mr Walker]

When you start your argument with "Don't care." its difficult for me to retort seriously.

I should care about what they're making as a promo item and extrapolate that out into some fantastic notion that they're going to make a full range of 1/6 vehicles? Logic, not even once. If you seriously think you'll ever see a production run of a 1/6 Falcon, you're kidding yourself. I highly doubt you'll even get a 1/6 X-Wing. I highly doubt you'll get a TIE.

So we're back to The Bat being indisputable evidence that HT will never produce 1/6 SW vehicles? Can't agree with you there.

I never said they won't produce 1/6 vehicles, even though I would consider it unlikely. You insist on trying to construct this argument. All I (and many others) have said is that a plaque, or a piece of cardboard saying "Sixth Scale Collectable", or even a one off promo item is no guarantee they will make... anything. Even a prototype is no guarantee.

And again, if the "piece of cardboard" means nothing, they could have saved valuable man power and not bothered with it at all. No logic in identifying it as a 1/6 Collectible if its not.

How much effort and "valuable" manpower do you think it takes to print out a piece of cardboard? An extra piece, mind you, given that I'm sure they have the exact same text on a number of items in their display.

Sounds to me like you're desperately trying to convince yourself they'll make them, and are willing to grasp any straw and ignore reality in order to "know" they will.

 

[franpincho]

When you start your argument with "Don't care." its difficult for me to retort seriously.



So we're back to The Bat being indisputable evidence that HT will never produce 1/6 SW vehicles? Can't agree with you

SW vehicles are just too huge to make in 1/6 scale. I get that they want to hype fans and showing them these vehicles at cons is an amazing way to do it. But for them to actually PRODUCE AND SELL a Millenium Falcon is something not very likely. As in it will never happen.

I doubt very much that this one will, TBH.

 

[DiFabio]

SW vehicles are just too huge to make in 1/6 scale. I get that they want to hype fans and showing them these vehicles at cons is an amazing way to do it. But for them to actually PRODUCE AND SELL a Millenium Falcon is something not very likely. As in it will never happen.

And that's exactly what I think the purpose of the TIE is for. To get people talking. To create excitement. Look, it's working. It doesn't just get people pumped about the Star Wars brand, but Hot Toys and Sideshow as a whole as well. It creates a buzz and awareness. Think about it, Hot Toys Star Wars didn't have a presence at SDCC last year, it was on the heels of the full license announcement. Fall/Winter is when Hot Toys started their Star Wars push. There are a lot of people at SDCC that probably aren't even aware that they had the license, let alone who they are as a company. Seeing that TIE built for the show creates a buzz. Hot Toys becomes the talk of the show with their booth at Sideshow. While they might not make the TIE for sale, everyone seeing that makes them curious. Then they see the figures and who knows, that might entice a future customer to get a Stormtrooper, or a Luke, or a Boba, or maybe other Hot Toys figures that aren't from Star Wars. That's the beginning of their gateway into the hobby.


The Bat was the same deal. That big vehicle was the talk of the town when it debuted at all the shows. They put a ton of work into building it from scratch, implementing lights and moving propellers AND moving that thing from show to show. Was it for sale? Nope. It was a display, a testament of their meticilous abitilities and craftsmanship with this hobby. "Look at what we can do".


I have no horse in this race, I don't care either way, but I still believe that this thing won't be available for purchase in 1/6. It's way too impractical. Sideshow complains about their warehouse getting backlogged with stock of unsold figures, what the hell will they do with giant crates full of Tie Fighters? It's not practical from any sort of standpoint. I said the same thing about the Bat when it first came out. If Hot Toys does sell a TIE, it will be 1/12 for their Compact series line.





That is manageable. In fact, I can imagine a compact X-Wing, a compact Y-Wing, a compact Vader TIE, all with the 6" figures like their Batman and Catwoman. 1/6 star fighters though? No, I don't think so. That's not reasonable. I can see a Landspeeder, speeders, etc. but not these ****ing space crafts that are bigger than a petite person.