1/6 Hot Toys Avengers: Endgame - Armored Thanos

[troy_story]

Yeah I'm glad I stuck with my IW Thanos... something about this Armoured version didn't add up, then I saw the movie. Now I'm totally convinced I'll have the definitive Thanos in my humble opinion... but I may be in the minority.

 

[Phoenixblazes]

Yeah I'm glad I stuck with my IW Thanos... something about this Armoured version didn't add up, then I saw the movie. Now I'm totally convinced I'll have the definitive Thanos in my humble opinion... but I may be in the minority.

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Well IW Thanos will be always the one where he won, whereas EG Thanos is where he loses (obviously) because the Avengers cheated.

 

[The Buffinator]

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Well IW Thanos will be always the one where he won, whereas EG Thanos is where he loses (obviously) because the Avengers cheated.

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Cheated??? Hopefully you're just joking, because that doesn't make much sense. Thanos won in IW because he had the Infinity Stones (heck, he even had ONE before he encountered the Asgardian ship with Thor, Loki & Hulk at the start), whereas the Avengers won in Endgame because they had them. Neither of them achieved a victory of any kind without the stones coming into play. And if you're referring to their travelling to the past to retrieve them, how is that different than his sending Nebula from the past into the future to steal them back?

 

[Craig Walker]

I think 5 years from now, the movie accuracy won't matter. Heck, IW Thanos had all the stones for what like 5 seconds of screen time?

This Thanos will carry weight on your shelf. Classic comic look (but modern).

 

[Phoenixblazes]

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Cheated??? Hopefully you're just joking, because that doesn't make much sense. Thanos won in IW because he had the Infinity Stones (heck, he even had ONE before he encountered the Asgardian ship with Thor, Loki & Hulk at the start), whereas the Avengers won in Endgame because they had them. Neither of them achieved a victory of any kind without the stones coming into play. And if you're referring to their travelling to the past to retrieve them, how is that different than his sending Nebula from the past into the future to steal them back?

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Yes it was meant to be taken as a joke, to show that the IW version of Thanos will always be an iconic piece. And I was referring to the time travel. Even in death Thanos had won, and they used Time Travel to essentially reverse it somewhat (which was expected since IW) except for the 5 years of pain and heartache etc. And honestly Thanos using time travel, well the Avengers opened the door (portal), literally.

 

[GreenRanger-Kush]

I won't be getting Thanos but to me, a non comic book reader, who doesn't know what Thanos is like, I preferred the IW Thanos.


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[Phoenixblazes]

I think 5 years from now, the movie accuracy won't matter. Heck, IW Thanos had all the stones for what like 5 seconds of screen time?

This Thanos will carry weight on your shelf. Classic comic look (but modern).

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The only thing I didn’t get is the old Cap thing. From my understanding when they went back they essentially created another timeline because of irreconcilable changes they made to the timeline (Thanos, Nebula, Loki, the Scepter etc), and Cap went back to that 2nd timeline to return the stones. I’m going to assume that the Quantum realm allows travels to alternate timelines, which allowed them to return to their original timeline. So how does old Cap enter the first time line?

 

[The Buffinator]

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Yes it was meant to be taken as a joke, to show that the IW version of Thanos will always be an iconic piece. And I was referring to the time travel. Even in death Thanos had won, and they used Time Travel to essentially reverse it somewhat (which was expected since IW) except for the 5 years of pain and heartache etc. And honestly Thanos using time travel, well the Avengers opened the door (portal), literally.

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OK, I was hoping you were joking, but I guess my perception of humor is affected by my lack of sleep. And I've got both figures on order, so no argument on the IW version being iconic. But I really like the Endgame version of his character - we see him in action without having any stones in his possession, and it reinforces why he was so feared throughout the universe.

 

[The Buffinator]

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The only thing I didn’t get is the old Cap thing. From my understanding when they went back they essentially created another timeline because of irreconcilable changes they made to the timeline (Thanos, Nebula, Loki, the Scepter etc), and Cap went back to that 2nd timeline to return the stones. I’m going to assume that the Quantum realm allows travels to alternate timelines, which allowed them to return to their original timeline. So how does old Cap enter the first time line?

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Yes, I'm also having a hard time wrapping my head around that one. I guess it must be all tied to the device on his wrist. As long as he kept that, he has the "coordinates" to return to the original timeline, the same way the teams returned from their separate missions after creating alternate timelines on those trips. Assuming, of course, that there's a quantum tunnel "launching pad" still assembled somewhere....Which I'm pretty sure was destroyed when Thanos leveled the Avengers HQ. So I guess he returned before that happened without anyone noticing? Ugh, I give up...

 

[user 64404]

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Its pretty simple, Stark did not destroy thanos, he send thanos\gamora\nebula back in time with no memory of the future, so the events would turn just like iT did originally.
remenber what he said to captain america when he arrived in the avengers HQ, he was not risking losing the life he had in the past five years

 

[Phoenixblazes]

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Its pretty simple, Stark did not destroy thanos, he send thanos\gamora\nebula back in time with no memory of the future, so the events would turn just like iT did originally.
remenber what he said to captain america when he arrived in the avengers HQ, he was not risking losing the life he had in the past five years

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Yes, but I took that to mean that nothing in their current timeline would be allowed to be changed, which is why those dusted where essentially brought forward through time in a sense, so that the original timeline wouldn’t be effected. Usually the easiest solution would’ve been just to go back and stop Thanos from getting the stones, but Stark didn’t want that, as it would’ve alterned his timeline as far as he was concerned. But after what the Ancient One said it sounded like a different timeline was made when they went back to acquire the stones, and which was why they had to return them. For example without the Time stone Strange wouldn’t have been able to defeat his big bad in his solo movie, and the Earth would’ve been lost etc in that new timeline. So in a sense I believe nothing would’ve altered Stark’s ‘current’ timeline, no matter what they did. But imo that second timeline has definitely been created because of the various changes that have been made, and using the stones to return Thanos and co into the past wouldn’t have changed everything back, even were you to alter their memories. And as mentioned previously their previous actions in the past made way too many changes to the timeline to simply ignore. He would’ve had to change everyone’s memory in the past to make it work, and return Loki to prison in Asgard etc in that second timeline. I personally believe that the Stones power only work on their current universe. In the end it seems like Cap didn’t use the Quantum realm to return, but aged naturally through the decades. The only way I can think it would work is that while Cap did return the stones to that alternate past, he jumped to the past again in the original timeline, and somehow made no changes to the timeline so that he would match up with the teams. Or maybe any actions he did in the past were always destined to occur in the original timeline, and that there were essentially two Caps the whole time. One frozen, and one living on in secret. And eventually one gets unfrozen and the other by then has grown old. As they say in Star Trek temporal mechanics is enough to give anyone a headache

 

[Craig Walker]

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The only way I can think it would work is that while Cap did return the stones to that alternate past, he jumped to the past again in the original timeline, and somehow made no changes to the timeline so that he would match up with the teams.

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Yeah, so he goes back to return the Teseract (where he sees Peggy through the window) and then bails from traveling back to them in the present. I think it's just more so you can get the sentiment of the story......not sure you could ever logically work that out to "fit". If he's with Peggy, everything changes. It's just written to give you that final payoff scene.....don't overanalyze

 

[crazygmpoker]

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Yeah, so he goes back to return the Teseract (where he sees Peggy through the window) and then bails from traveling back to them in the present. I think it's just more so you can get the sentiment of the story......not sure you could ever logically work that out to "fit". If he's with Peggy, everything changes. It's just written to give you that final payoff scene.....don't overanalyze

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[Phoenixblazes]

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Yeah, so he goes back to return the Teseract (where he sees Peggy through the window) and then bails from traveling back to them in the present. I think it's just more so you can get the sentiment of the story......not sure you could ever logically work that out to "fit". If he's with Peggy, everything changes. It's just written to give you that final payoff scene.....don't overanalyze

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I can’t help it. I’ve always tried to figure out these time paradoxes.

 

[The Iron Koob]

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Something funny to think about. Peggy was probably married in 1970. Cap destroyed her marriage and stole her away.

 

[Phoenixblazes]

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Something funny to think about. Peggy was probably married in 1970. Cap destroyed her marriage and stole her away.

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Well maybe that’s why he didn’t return with Mjolnir. He was no longer worthy.

And something else I just thought about. Given that he went to the past with Mjolnir, wouldn’t that mean that in the past/timeline that there were two Mjolnir’s present at the same time? So what would happen each time Thor summoned his hammer?

 

[Mugatu]

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Well maybe that’s why he didn’t return with Mjolnir. He was no longer worthy.

And something else I just thought about. Given that he went to the past with Mjolnir, wouldn’t that mean that in the past/timeline that there were two Mjolnir’s present at the same time? So what would happen each time Thor summoned his hammer?

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Stop thinking like Back to the Future LOL

 

[Craig Walker]

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Stop thinking like Back to the Future LOL

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Yes. No one knows how any of this could/would work. So you would go nuts trying to make it 'fit'. It won't.

Rhodey says "why not go back and (choke out) young Thanos?" Can't remember the explanation, but I felt that was just a "hey let's cover this base so fans don't point it out later" thing.

Does having 2 Nebulas make sense? Why not 100 Nebulas? Which one is really her? Is there personal identity; is it real?

See you can go nuts with all this. Just have fun with the concepts.

 

[Phoenixblazes]

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Stop thinking like Back to the Future LOL

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I’m guessing you’re saying more in general than something specifically BTTF related as even though I may be old enough, I don’t even know if I ever watched the BTTF movies from beginning to end. Barely remember any of it, though I think I may have watched a bit here and there with my older brother at the time. I am a Sci-fi nerd so I’m more familiar with all the other sci-fi tv shows / movies etc that have come out after BTTF which was a bit before my time

 

[Phoenixblazes]

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Yes. No one knows how any of this could/would work. So you would go nuts trying to make it 'fit'. It won't.

Rhodey says "why not go back and (choke out) young Thanos?" Can't remember the explanation, but I felt that was just a "hey let's cover this base so fans don't point it out later" thing.

Does having 2 Nebulas make sense? Why not 100 Nebulas? Which one is really her? Is there personal identity; is it real?

See you can go nuts with all this. Just have fun with the concepts.

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The only thing I didn’t get was the old Cap thing. Everything else sort of made sense to me as I assumed the creation of alternate realities (Given what the Ancient One says to Bruce) / second timeline due to the actions of their time travel. The Cap thing essentially starts to unravel things, but before that everything works, as long as you assume that they can easily return to their designated reality and timeline.

There’s usually two points of view with regards to time travel in Hollywood. One is that there is only one time line, in that were you to go back and change something, it would essentially cause a time paradox, whereby you essentially change your current timeline, in which case you never would’ve gone back to make that change in the first place. So it ends up a wash. The other train of thought is what I believe occurs in Endgame, in that going back in time creates alternate branches whereby all possible events occur forever, meaning an unlimited number of universe and timelines. And even ignoring paradoxes, if they had gone back and killed Thanos as a baby, that would’ve had flow on effects for the entire universe, changing things that the Avengers probably wouldn’t want changed (especially Tony). As such why they went the route that they did.

And I know I’m thinking about this too much for a lot of you guys, but it’s fairly straight forward stuff as long as it’s well thought out by the writers, for this imaginary circumstance.