Hot Toys Batman V. Superman Dawn of Justice Speculation Thread

[eczamurai]

I fail to see what was so "laughable" about it. It's Luthor doing mad science; something Luthor has done since his earliest appearances. Luthor sees that the matrix recognizes Kryptonian DNA, he sees what would happen if he introduces human DNA into the mix. They have a volatile reaction, and Doomsday is born. I don't see how that's any worse than "mad Kryptonian" kills and clones baby until it can no longer die."

Because mostly it came out of nowhere apart from the trailers already spoiling it. If the trailer hadn't shown doomsday I wouldnt have thought he would have been in it even during Lex Bad Acting Luthor's crazy experiment. There was no reason at all for some alien hulk like creature to come out of a corpse.

Also, batman vs superman doesnt even need a villain cause theyre supposed to be fighting.. yknow.. eachother. Which they did for 5 minutes.

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

Because mostly it came out of nowhere apart from the trailers already spoiling it. If the trailer hadn't shown doomsday I wouldnt have thought he would have been in it even during Lex Bad Acting Luthor's crazy experiment. There was no reason at all for some alien hulk like creature to come out of a corpse.

Also, batman vs superman doesnt even need a villain cause theyre supposed to be fighting.. yknow.. eachother. Which they did for 5 minutes.

Well put. The whole film was very unbalanced.

 

[Ppk487]

Just saw it again and I enjoyed it better the second time. I would have to give it a solid 8/10. By no means perfect but still effective. This movie, to me in my opinion, does not deserve all the hate by critics.

 

[Armymedic1980]

DC needs to consult with Marvel on how to make an interesting, movie that people would want to see a few times on the big screen before getting it on blu-Ray. 2 years of hype and all it was was a very boring movie. Marvel's Cap's Civil War will crush BVS in the box-office I strongly predict.

 

[DioramaMaker]

I liked it. Not perfect, but it was an enjoyable film that had a lot going for it. I will say I think Eisenberg would have made a GREAT Joker. Which unless Leto knocks it out of the park, will be a very bittersweet thought.

 

[SilverStar17]

Eisenberg would have made a GREAT Joker.

My sentiments also.

 

[Motuxmen]

Right. Only marvel can make good movies. It's not like it's pretty much the same film over and over and over and over...with a new one time villain, a couple heros who have the same five lines. Sure, way way more sophisticated. Lol come on now.

And I really enjoy the marvel movies. A lot. But let's not pretend they are that different.

As for doomsday being an issue Becuase he came out of left field...so you didn't expect it, which means it's bad? I see why marvel movies are so popular.

And all the film needed was batman beating up superman or vise versa? Sure a 2.5 hour movie thats a bar fight between between to heroes..but doesn't destroy anything and tells jokes, lots of smiles...lol. Good thing civil war from marvel (being billed as an all out fight between the two sides) will have nothing but the two sides fighting. No Zemo. No crossbones..no new characters introduced....wait...I just saw the trailers...the two films have identical storylines. Lol hmm odd.

 

[SilverStar17]

What came out of left field for me was the ending of BvS; was not expecting that all and the film makers did a good job keeping that tightly sealed, as opposed to CW where there's tons of sources spilling what is the likely outcome for that film.

I was looking forward to both films (BvS and CW) equally as much, and the first one didn't disappoint at all.

 

[Mr.Spiral]

I'd buy a Lex Luthor (if he came with a bald head) and a Doomsday from this film, wouldn't mind getting an Affleck Bruce Wayne either.

 

[WolfBoy]

I find it weird that no toy company is adding doomsday to their toy roster?

they even have an aquaman action figure, whos in the film for 15 seconds.

 

[eczamurai]

As for doomsday being an issue Becuase he came out of left field...so you didn't expect it, which means it's bad? I see why marvel movies are so popular.
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It didn't make any sense and didn't add anything to the story. So, yeah it was bad. 30 minutes of yawn boring fight scenes aren't my idea of fun. Read the The Dark Knight returns comic. You'll see there wasn't really a need for a villain in this, all it needed was Batman trying to hunt down Joker and Superman having to stop him.

 

[eczamurai]

What came out of left field for me was the ending of BvS; was not expecting that all and the film makers did a good job keeping that tightly sealed, as opposed to CW where there's tons of sources spilling what is the likely outcome for that film.

I was looking forward to both films (BvS and CW) equally as much, and the first one didn't disappoint at all.

If you didn't see the ending coming you haven't read the comics I assume? Cause it was pretty darn predictable.

 

[dario2739]

If you didn't see the ending coming you haven't read the comics I assume? Cause it was pretty darn predictable.

Yeah it happened in the comics - didn't mean they were gonna pull it off in the movie, and you would have to be a comic book reader to know that – I've read the comics but it totally surprised me they went there in BvS. And for all the haters saying the movies was spoiled in the trailers... hahaha... absolutely not!

 

[dario2739]

It didn't make any sense and didn't add anything to the story. So, yeah it was bad. 30 minutes of yawn boring fight scenes aren't my idea of fun. Read the The Dark Knight returns comic. You'll see there wasn't really a need for a villain in this, all it needed was Batman trying to hunt down Joker and Superman having to stop him.

Eh? Sorry disagree there – Lex creating a weapon to take out Superman makes total sense. He wanted Superman destroyed - couldn't have been spelled out any clearer... If he didn't kill Batman or get killed by Batman, he had a plan C!
For me personally, what i've liked about both MoS and BvS is that they have both had villains that you actually believed were gonna do what they actually said they'd do – they had threat and menace and were downright scary. Also the endings were tense where you didn't know how it would play out, and had shock outcomes... something you cannot say about other popular CBMs.
It seems people just want a 'fun' superhero movie that is simple to understand and you can take your 5yr old knowing they would follow the storyline - with a safe, threat-free ending where the good guys win and go for take-out!

 

[spindrift]

Eh? Sorry disagree there – Lex creating a weapon to take out Superman makes total sense. He wanted Superman destroyed - couldn't have been spelled out any clearer... If he didn't kill Batman or get killed by Batman, he had a plan C!
For me personally, what i've liked about both MoS and BvS is that they have both had villains that you actually believed were gonna do what they actually said they'd do – they had threat and menace and were downright scary. Also the endings were tense where you didn't know how it would play out, and had shock outcomes... something you cannot say about other popular CBMs.
It seems people just want a 'fun' superhero movie that is simple to understand and you can take your 5yr old knowing they would follow the storyline - with a safe, threat-free ending where the good guys win and go for take-out!

Sad to say I think this movie was way over alot of people's heads- and alot of critics!

 

[Biff]

It seems people just want a 'fun' superhero movie that is simple to understand and you can take your 5yr old knowing they would follow the storyline - with a safe, threat-free ending where the good guys win and go for take-out!

Exactly the problem. My trip to the cinema was ruined by a family with 3 kids, all under age 6, who were seated behind me. They were kicking the back of the chairs and fidgeting for the whole three hours (because kids get bored, who knew, right?) The parents (who neglected to consider the age limit) were constantly standin up and down to get stuff out of bags for them, or to take one to the toilets every 20min. Of course, we had a running commentary, the most memorable line was:"Is that Spider-Man? In case anyone here was also confused, I can confirm that it was not, it was actually... Batman.
Despite all the loud family garbage, I look forward to going to a late night screening this week, but with my luck some nutter family will take their baby and toddlers to that 9pm screening.

 

[Helghan]

Sad to say I think this movie was way over alot of people's heads- and alot of critics!

Agreed. The movie is very complete, though I think an extended cut will polish out some things for more casual people and hopefully allow parts to breathe better.

I really enjoyed Lex Luthor. What people don't seem to grasp..

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Lex is under Darkseid's influence. Still is. His plan was to obviously kill or break down Superman to make him susceptible to Darkseid's influence. No Batman or Superman/ or possibly superman under his control means Earth has no way to defend itself.

As for Batman and his indifference to killing; His opening sequence and his conversations with Alfred are more than reason enough.

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"We're already criminals.... How many have died or stayed good?"

If he's a kill happy Batman, that's the point. He's cynical, very ends justify the means. That's all part of his arch for this movie. He doesn't even seem to care much about the people he's saving. Just going out at night beating thugs because it is an outlet for his anger.

I also like the part

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where he's talking to alfred and how he needs the suit to break into Lex's party, but before reluctantly going as Bruce Wayne, he looks at the Bat suit.

We don't need to waste 2 hours re-establishing his origins which people know better than their own religion.

Notice how

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the criminals he brands with the bat symbol are basically marked for death in prison and how in the end he decides NOT to brand Lex Luthor even after all he's done? That's because Superman has reignited his faith in humanity. It's also why he wants to create the Justice League and honour Superman in death, because he feels he failed him while he was alive. I like how he's also had a positive effect on people as Clark Kent and they show that with Perry White.

Can't wait to see it again this week.

 

[Sidewinder]

Unfortunately they market it to kids, but like the Dark Knight Trilogy, this film isn't really made for kids. The MCU is more families and children and the DCCU is darker and more for adults.

A lot of people don't seem to like this Superman because he's not campy 80's version that people remember. This Superman is set more in our time now with all the violence going on now. Superman was always the squeaky clean Superhero that people called out for when they were in trouble. Someone respected by all. However in this version he's being blamed for the destruction and death caused by Zod's attack. Humans have only known of his existence for 18 months, so he hasn't been able to rise to that Superman that he will eventually become.

I like the darker tone and seeing as it worked so well for TDK trilogy, I can see why they are following in its footsteps rather than trying to copy the MCU exactly.

 

[zexion_armando]

At least with this movie, it had Lex, Alfred, and Diana to break up the dour monotony. They used in-character humor and actions to help brighten up the incessant gruff tones, which was perfect.

 

[creasy]

I personally wouldn't bother.

Today's society for some reason has produced a lot of individuals who preach tolerance, but are in fact intolerant of any other view that doesn't coincide with theirs. They are under the impression that their opinions are fact, simply because it's what THEY think, so they're too myopic to fathom why anyone else would see something any differently than them. And if you do, you're either stupid, ignorant, etc., because in their mind, you must be "stupid" if you don't share the same opinion as theirs. It's as if they're allowed to believe in whatever they want, but you're not allowed to unless it happens to be exactly what they believe.

Their perspective is either agree with me, or you're wrong.

Well said chap