Hot Toys Batman V. Superman Dawn of Justice Speculation Thread

[Bri]

I'm totally in for Iron Bats

I can't wait to see that figure revealed!

 

[nexus]

According to their site, Reeve Superman is approximately 30 cm (11.81 inches), while Cavill Superman is approximately 31 cm (12.21 inches).

Broke out the tape measure. Here are the actual heights.
- HT Reeve Superman is about 12-3/16 tall (12.1875) which equates to right around 6'1"
- HT Cavill Superman is a little over 12-7/8 (12.875) which equates to between 6'4" and 6'5

For comparison, DW Thor is about 12-3/8" (12.375) equating to a little more than 6'2".

So bottom line is HT line might not be exactly 1/6 scale, but it's pretty close. I think it's been fairly common knowledge that the figs were slightly under 1/6 for quite some time, but certainly nowhere near being a deal breaker, especially when you consider that most 1/6 or 12" lines before HT essentially were one size fits all. The Cavill MoS figure is out of whack, not only with Marvel but with DC, Terminator, PotC, and pretty much everything else. I remember how shocked I was when I put MoS in with the collection. I had seriously thought about packing it up and returning. Instead I just pushed it to the back and semi out of site because I'm OCD when it comes to scale, symmetry, etc. So again not trying to make this a federal case, I'm just hoping that HT goes back to the regular system for the BvS line and subsequent DC movie releases so everything scales nicely together. That's all.

 

[YankeesFanboy]

Time for a Reeve 2.0 so. I'm sure Hot Toys will be right on that ........... .....

I'm just hoping that HT goes back to the regular system for the BvS line and subsequent DC movie releases so everything scales nicely together. That's all.

Thanks, nexus, agreed. If anything, the heights of the two figures should be reversed.

 

[cmiller99]

Posting outside the Marvel board and a Star Wars sig?

You okay?

So what are you doing in the DC section?

 

[batfan08]

Broke out the tape measure. Here are the actual heights.
- HT Reeve Superman is about 12-3/16 tall (12.1875) which equates to right around 6'1"
- HT Cavill Superman is a little over 12-7/8 (12.875) which equates to between 6'4" and 6'5

For comparison, DW Thor is about 12-3/8" (12.375) equating to a little more than 6'2".

So bottom line is HT line might not be exactly 1/6 scale, but it's pretty close. I think it's been fairly common knowledge that the figs were slightly under 1/6 for quite some time, but certainly nowhere near being a deal breaker, especially when you consider that most 1/6 or 12" lines before HT essentially were one size fits all. The Cavill MoS figure is out of whack, not only with Marvel but with DC, Terminator, PotC, and pretty much everything else. I remember how shocked I was when I put MoS in with the collection. I had seriously thought about packing it up and returning. Instead I just pushed it to the back and semi out of site because I'm OCD when it comes to scale, symmetry, etc. So again not trying to make this a federal case, I'm just hoping that HT goes back to the regular system for the BvS line and subsequent DC movie releases so everything scales nicely together. That's all.

Thank you for that, and I agree wholeheartedly. Industry shudder when I think of what Batfleck could be. If Superman is already that big and Batfleck's supposed to be even taller than him, he'd be gigantic. I don't want to have West, Keaton, Bale, and so on lined up and have Affleck looking like the Incredible Hulk behind them. I want consistency.

 

[YankeesFanboy]

7-foot-tall Batfleck or bust.

 

[batfan08]

Thanks, nexus, agreed. If anything, the heights of the two figures should be reversed.

A Reeve 2.0 with Clark Kent gear and a smiling Superman head is one of my dream figures. I love the original release, and it will never leave my collection, but there's just something that resonates so much with me about him flying through space with that ****-eating grin on his face.

 

[YankeesFanboy]

A Reeve 2.0 with Clark Kent gear and a smiling Superman head is one of my dream figures. I love the original release, and it will never leave my collection, but there's just something that resonates so much with me about him flying through space with that ****-eating grin on his face.

When Cavill does it, he's a ****, when Reeve does it, he's endearing. Eh, tough ****, Cavill.

Reeve is my first HT and I'd never sell it either. I'd love it if HT did a 2.0 but that'll likely come after the Ferrigno Hulk.

Any speculation on the third Batman figure? And will we be getting a Jeremy's Iron figure?

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

When Cavill does it, he's a ****, when Reeve does it, he's endearing. Eh, tough ****, Cavill.

 

[Brainiac]

And will we be getting a Jeremy's Iron figure?

I'd buy that and I want a Simon Gruber too

 

[melkorjunior]

Damn it, Reeve Superman never killed Zod. Will that misperception never go away? Zod disappeared down a chute. How does that equal death? And in the deleted scenes it showed Zod being taken away in handcuffs by "North Pole police". It was never intended that people think Reeve Superman killed Zod in that movie.

Okay, back to the thread now.

 

[JorjeCroft]

Man of steel is always a winner for me. Henry is handsome as hell and actually I like how tall figure is. I don't want shorter one. his proportions looks same as Henry's

 

[dario2739]

I know it's all about personal choice - but i've yet to hear somebody who claims to hate MoS put forward a convincing argument for why they hate it – for me it is the best comic book movie to date, and that coming from a massvie Batman fan.

 

[DarthBakura]

I can't wait to see the full reveal of these figs! xD

Wonder Woman and Bats will be the last two figures I buy for many years to come. I'm getting older and I just feel it's time to hang it up... for a while anyway.

 

[SilverStar17]

Damn it, Reeve Superman never killed Zod. Will that misperception never go away? Zod disappeared down a chute. How does that equal death? And in the deleted scenes it showed Zod being taken away in handcuffs by "North Pole police". It was never intended that people think Reeve Superman killed Zod in that movie.

Okay, back to the thread now.

I disagree.

When one is thrown down a large precipice into an abyss, never to be seen nor heard from again, the general implication is that the person was thrown and subsequently fell to their death.

I base what happened in Superman II on what ended up being the final cut that was released in theaters to the public in 1981. Not what happened in deleted scenes, extended cuts, or later versions. Zod being thrown down the precipice doesn't necessarily show and visually confirm his death by showing him land and can leave a slight door open for him to return, but if he's never seen nor heard from again, you can at the same time just as easily presume that the implication is that he fell to his death. The same goes for his cohorts. It's sort of ambiguous.

I enjoy both portrayals of Supes by Reeve and Cavill. Both are great in the role and though natural, attempting to compare the two is inane in my opinion because each are portraying a Superman that is meant for different times. However, I'm not one to try and use deleted scenes, separate takes and later versions of the ending of Superman II in an attempt to assert that Reeve Superman did not kill Zod at the end of Superman II to make him look like he's so much more sanctimonious than Cavill's Supes for the sake of being able to sleep better at night believing that Reeve Superman would never harm a fly.

 

[melkorjunior]

However, I'm not one to try and use deleted scenes, separate takes and later versions of the ending of Superman II in an attempt to assert that Reeve Superman did not kill Zod at the end of Superman II to make him look like he's so much more sanctimonious than Cavill's Supes for the sake of being able to sleep better at night believing that Reeve Superman would never harm a fly.

The reverse is true, actually: the MOS fans keep hauling out their "but Reeve's Superman killed too!" excuse to try to justify the fact that MOS presented a Superman whose recklessness in battle must have resulted in the deaths of thousands of people, and he didn't lift a finger to try to help them. If the fact that Superman II didn't show Zod actually dying AND they actually filmed a scene showing him alive after the fact, doesn't indicate to you the actual intent of that movie, well, I'm not going to talk to a brick wall, so you're welcome to your opinion.

 

[SilverStar17]

The reverse is true, actually: the MOS fans keep hauling out their "but Reeve's Superman killed too!" excuse to try to justify the fact that MOS presented a Superman whose recklessness in battle must have resulted in the deaths of thousands of people, and he didn't lift a finger to try to help them. If the fact that Superman II didn't show Zod actually dying AND they actually filmed a scene showing him alive after the fact, doesn't indicate to you the actual intent of that movie, well, I'm not going to talk to a brick wall, so you're welcome to your opinion.

I'm actually a Superman fan in general. Hence, why I stated I enjoy both portrayals and why I have both figures. I grew up watching the Reeve films.

Oh, ok. Was there a scene in the 1981 theatrical release of Superman II that I missed in the film that showed Zod alive after he was tossed down the precipice into an abyss?

By the way, MoS didn't actually show all those "thousands" of people dying that you're referring to, so can we presume that it's possible they are all actually still alive? You even said yourself "must have resulted". So you feel it's reasonable to presume that they all perished, even though it wasn't actually shown, merely implied, but it's unconscionable to presume that Zod was killed in Superman II because it didn't actually show him dying (landing).

Interesting.

 

[melkorjunior]

I'm actually a Superman fan in general. Hence, why I stated I enjoy both portrayals and why I have both figures. I grew up watching the Reeve films.

Oh, ok. Was there a scene in the 1981 theatrical release of Superman II that I missed in the film that showed Zod alive after he was tossed down the precipice into an abyss?

By the way, MoS didn't actually show all those "thousands" of people dying that you're referring to, so can we presume that it's possible they are all actually still alive? You even said yourself "must have resulted". So you feel it's reasonable to presume that they all perished, even though it wasn't actually shown, merely implied, but it's unconscionable to presume that Zod was killed in Superman II because it didn't actually show him dying (landing).

Interesting.

Skyscrapers collapsing > falling down a chute. And come on, you know that.

 

[SilverStar17]

falling down a chute.

Ah, right, the chute. So, after he fell down this "chute", where did he go? And go by what was shown in the final theatrical film please, not deleted scenes because well, they were deleted from the film. You know, since you're vetting and judging MoS by what was shown in the film that was released in theaters, and not its deleted scenes or extra footage. Gotta maintain a level playing field. Can't pick and choose.

By the way, that's (him falling down the "chute") after his hand and back were likely broken after the latter slammed into the side of the fortress, before plunging down the precipice. You know, being that Zod was mortal at this point and Supes still still possessed his power.

You're right. Zod's death in this particular manner was so much more humane.

As much as you want to think that I, or any other "MoS fan" is pointing out that Reeve's Supes killed Zod just to simply pick on Reeve's Supes as a way to feel better about a, what you apparently thought, was a horrible portrayal of Superman (which is perfectly fine), that's not the case at all. I'm merely judging both by what I saw in the theatrical film and what the apparent, intended implication is to the viewer. Like I mentioned, I'm not trying to connect dots that frankly just aren't there, nor looking to deleted scenes, extra footage or later released versions to use as evidence as to why something in the final theatrical released version of a film, did or didn't happen.

I enjoy both versions for what they are.

 

[GasparZizou]

You don't even need the DC to see Superman was also a **** in that version.

This is a dude who gave up his powers and fully intended on leaving the world at the mercy of the kryptonians so he could pork Lois.

If that's not true calling, I don't know what it is, to drop it a the first sign of poontang.