1/6 Hot Toys BvS: Dawn of Justice-Wonder Woman

[SilverStar17]

Iron Man was a hit tho

That's why I excluded Iron Man.

Very true- but don't go over to the BvS thread and SS thread where the Marvel sheep flock in droves

Haha. No, I don't do the whole Marvel vs. DC thing. Though if I had to choose between the two, I've probably traditionally been more of a DC guy, but I don't feel the need to compare the two and say the other one sucks simply because I'm an advocate of the other. I thoroughly enjoy both universes for what they offer as separate universes. Each one offers unique elements that the other one lacks. Even though of course you get die hard fans on both sides that are guilty of this, in my opinion from what I've observed, there seems to be more band wagoners with the MCU who disparage the DCEU simply because they are Marvellites.

It wasn't only Iron Man. Phase 1's Thor resonated with audiences as well. I'm a fan of MOS but if I had a choice between rewatching BVS or Thor, I'd pick Thor.

As far as Marvel Studios gaining traction, you're right. Didn't really happen till after the Avengers movie.

For my personal taste, the UE of BvS is probably my favorite superhero film in general. I personally liked that and MoS better than anything Marvel has done. Even though Iron Man did even better with audiences than the first Thor did, I actually enjoyed the first Thor a bit more. CA TFA and Thor are probably my favorite Marvel Phase 1 films. Many people thought TFA was "meh", but I really liked the whole WWII motif.

To each their own though.

 

[sj2106]

I find the Marvel v DC stuff tedious to. I never disparage anything Marvel does. They make some very good movies, I just don't care enough about the characters to really get into them. I grew up on Batman, Superman and the Justice League and those will always be the characters I love above all others. Doesn't mean Batman is better than Iron Man or vice versa, just simple personal preference and most of these things are formed in childhood.

 

[NASEDO]

I'm a BIG DC fan, but if you think MOS, BVS & TFA are good movies you need your head examined.

 

[SilverStar17]

I'm a BIG DC fan, but if you think MOS, BVS & TFA are good movies you need your head examined.

 

[matmurdock]

I like the Marvel and DC movies equally. The only reason I would bash a movie is because I didn't like it. I grew up with both characters but I am fighting the urge to dive into getting the Hot Toys DC figures. The Batman and Wonder Woman are making me reconsider that a lot!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

For my personal taste, the UE of BvS is probably my favorite superhero film in general. I personally liked that and MoS better than anything Marvel has done. Even though Iron Man did even better with audiences than the first Thor did, I actually enjoyed the first Thor a bit more. CA TFA and Thor are probably my favorite Marvel Phase 1 films. Many people thought TFA was "meh", but I really liked the whole WWII motif.

To each their own though.

Cheers! Totally understand where you're coming from.

Although I wasn't as big a fan of The First Avenger myself. All I could think about was how Joe Johnston executed a much more enjoyable WWII era film with The Rocketeer. But given he's directed both I consider TFA as somewhat of an unofficial sequel to The Rocketeer. I've actually watched them back to back and they sort of fit together LOL.

Which brings me to a point that'll hopefully get this thread back on track I'm so glad the DCEU Wonder Woman is set in WWI. WWII has been done to death in movies.

 

[Tourist]

Disney owns a lot of stuff, who knows they may have paid off rotten tomatoes, and other critics to slam DC comics movies. Everyone I have talked to love suicide squad and bvs with me also . Haters gonna hate, at the end of the day all that matters is if you love it.

Warner owns RT, so no.
I think the reasons behind the critics panning MOS and BVS are simpler.
In the case of MOS it didn't square with what they expected from a Superman movie and similarly BVS doesn't feel like what they think a superhero should feel like, it goes beyond.
By comparison the Marvel movies play very much to the (lowered) expectations they have about superheroes.

 

[melkorjunior]

Disney owns a lot of stuff, who knows they may have paid off rotten tomatoes, and other critics to slam DC comics movies.

Do you know how incredibly stupid that sounds?

 

[snakeeyes171]

Do you know how incredibly stupid that sounds?

And boxing matches, football games, etc don't get pay offs. Get real the world is a crooked place and Disney could be the king.

 

[SilverStar17]

Cheers! Totally understand where you're coming from.

Although I wasn't as big a fan of The First Avenger myself. All I could think about was how Joe Johnston executed a much more enjoyable WWII era film with The Rocketeer. But given he's directed both I consider TFA as somewhat of an unofficial sequel to The Rocketeer. I've actually watched them back to back and they sort of fit together LOL.

Which brings me to a point that'll hopefully get this thread back on track I'm so glad the DCEU Wonder Woman is set in WWI. WWII has been done to death in movies.

Cheers, indeed.

Yep, it's all just about personal taste. Telling someone they're stupid because they personally found enjoyment in and liked a film that you didn't or vice versa, is like calling someone stupid because their favorite color is red when yours is blue. Not to mention it shows just how small minded someone actually is when the first thing that comes to their mind to do when met with a dissenting opinion is resort to name calling. It's fine if you don't like something that someone else likes; it's not ok to personally attack them just because they like it and you don't because from their perspective, the same thing can go the other way.

I actually haven't seen The Rocketeer in a long, long time. I'll have to try that one of these days and watch TR and TFA back to back.

And yes, this upcoming WW film to me almost feels like DC's version of TFA, being that there's parallels between the two. It's essentially the prequel to all the films that have been released thus far and she's sort of the anachronism of the JL. Not to mention WW wields a shield just like CA.

Will be interesting to see a superhero film set in WWI.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

And yes, this upcoming WW film to me almost feels like DC's version of TFA, being that there's parallels between the two. It's essentially the prequel to all the films that have been released thus far and she's sort of the anachronism of the JL. Not to mention WW wields a shield just like CA.

I totally missed the fact that she has a shield as well.

 

[Tourist]

And boxing matches, football games, etc don't get pay offs. Get real the world is a crooked place and Disney could be the king.

Yes Captain Obvious corruption does exist but the notion that Disney "could be king" of the crooked place is laughable.
There's a lot more out there than you seem to be aware of.

By the way, do you really believe that Warner who owns Rotten Tomatoes would have let something like that slide?
Do you also think it is possible to bribe all the different critics who disliked these movies without word getting out?
Conspiracy theories should at least sound plausible.

 

[Mike86]

Why can WW only do moderately well? I disagree it's not important after waiting 70 years for a solo movie. In my lifetime the only DC character to have great movies is Batman. That over reliance on one character needs to change. A well received WW movie would be a good start.

You misunderstood what I meant. I meant as in terms of importance to the success of the DC film universe that her film can do less well and not make as much of an impact whereas if Justice League fails or underperforms it'll be a way bigger deal.

 

[sj2106]

You misunderstood what I meant. I meant as in terms of importance to the success of the DC film universe that her film can do less well and not make as much of an impact whereas if Justice League fails or underperforms it'll be a way bigger deal.

Ahh okay sorry, that makes sense now. I agree If Justice League gets critically panned and the box office suffers as a result, apart from the Batman solo, everything else would be under serious threat. A great WW movie could build some momentum though.

 

[melkorjunior]

Cheers, indeed.

Yep, it's all just about personal taste. Telling someone they're stupid because they personally found enjoyment in and liked a film that you didn't or vice versa, is like calling someone stupid because their favorite color is red when yours is blue. Not to mention it shows just how small minded someone actually is when the first thing that comes to their mind to do when met with a dissenting opinion is resort to name calling.

It's not stupid to like a movie that I personally don't like. But it's extremely stupid to assume that all the critics that disliked your favorite movie have been bribed. Posting that idea on message boards like it's an actual possibility just makes the internet an even dumber place than it already is.

 

[SilverStar17]

It's not stupid to like a movie that I personally don't like. But it's extremely stupid to assume that all the critics that disliked your favorite movie have been bribed. Posting that idea on message boards like it's an actual possibility just makes the internet an even dumber place than it already is.

I never once stated critics were bribed.

However, the person that brought it up though never stated that they assumed/believe that the critics were bribed; they simply stated that it was a mere possibility. For the record though, I would concur that it's very, very unlikely that was the case. I would be inclined to agree with what Tourist stated in post #2087 than critics being bribed. No collusion.

 

[melkorjunior]

I never once stated critics were bribed.

However, the person that brought it up though never stated that they assumed/believe that the critics were bribed; they simply stated that it was a mere possibility. For the record though, I would concur that it's very, very unlikely that was the case. I would be inclined to agree with what Tourist stated in post #2087 than critics being bribed. No collusion.

It's not "very, very unlikely". It's an impossibility, an inane conspiracy theory that rivals the Flat Earth Hypothesis in its stupidity, which certain emotionally stunted DC fans keep bringing up because they can't come to grips with the fact that--boo hoo!--critics like Marvel movies better than DC, and they also apparently can't understand how the scores work at Rotten Tomatoes.

Do you think it's very, very unlikely that there's a leprechaun hiding under your bed?

 

[spindrift]

Cheers, indeed.

Yep, it's all just about personal taste. Telling someone they're stupid because they personally found enjoyment in and liked a film that you didn't or vice versa, is like calling someone stupid because their favorite color is red when yours is blue. Not to mention it shows just how small minded someone actually is when the first thing that comes to their mind to do when met with a dissenting opinion is resort to name calling. It's fine if you don't like something that someone else likes; it's not ok to personally attack them just because they like it and you don't because from their perspective, the same thing can go the other way.

I actually haven't seen The Rocketeer in a long, long time. I'll have to try that one of these days and watch TR and TFA back to back.

And yes, this upcoming WW film to me almost feels like DC's version of TFA, being that there's parallels between the two. It's essentially the prequel to all the films that have been released thus far and she's sort of the anachronism of the JL. Not to mention WW wields a shield just like CA.

Will be interesting to see a superhero film set in WWI.

 

[Mr.Tanker]

Disney owns a lot of stuff, who knows they may have paid off rotten tomatoes, and other critics to slam DC comics movies. Everyone I have talked to love suicide squad and bvs with me also . Haters gonna hate, at the end of the day all that matters is if you love it.

So you say that "all that matter is if you love it," but anyone who thought those movies had issues (which would be the general consensus) is a hater or was bribed.

You seem incapable of acknowledging that people legitimately had opinions that ran contrary to your own. Everyone you know loved them? Great. But to even imply that any contrary opinion is the result of bribery is dangerous and ignorant.

I think BvS has serious problems, but I still enjoy it. I'm also one of the only people I know who did.

Opinions are complex. They are also, by definition, subjective. Someone else not enjoying something doesn't affect your enjoyment of it.

 

[Username]

I appreciate that they have been trying to go dark, but the people running the DC movies just don't get what makes a good movie into a great one.
Comic book movies are huge now, but they have never understood them the way the wizards at Marvel do.
I think they also assume that they can hit the ground running with a team up movie but i worry they are doing more damage than good.
I am a huge Superman fan, but MOS wasn't that great. It had some good stuff in it and the look was good, but I wished it was better. BVS was also good. You wonder why they don't just get in the people who write the comics. They would do a bang up job.
When Disney buys Warner, it will all turn around, lol.