1/6 Hot Toys BvS: Dawn of Justice-Wonder Woman

[Sewol]

I think if you want those questions answered your best bet is to go see the movie for yourself. Instead of just citing hack bloggers in relation to a movie you haven't even bothered watching but are still doing your best to **** on.

 

[Sewol]

Yeah. Because everyone who doesn't like BvS doesn't like it because they only like Marvel.

If the shoe fits...

 

[SilverStar17]

Yes. You can break this film down and pick out an infinite number of issues. No film is free from flaws, but when one has so many it and it becomes majorly detrimental it cannot possibly be seen as a 'good film'. People who's job it is to break films down and comment on their success have been tearing this apart, not because Disney 'paid them' or because they 'hate DC' but because it simply wasn't very good.

No film is free of flaws, indeed. In my opinion, I don't think anything is perfect. Everything can use even an iota of improvement somewhere. However, the fact remains that it's merely your opinion that BvS had a myriad of flaws that outweighed the positives and a result, simply wasn't very good.

 

[melkorjunior]

Sewol, you are trying to reason with people who think their opinions are facts and who are at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to sustained coherent thinking.
Most of them do not have a single original thought about this movie as is demonstrated by their recurrent quoting from one or two reviewers, using the exact same vocabulary every time.
That's probably why they found the straightforward story hard to follow, too difficult for them.

Two things--first, I agree with Motuxmen, god help me--opinions aren't facts and saying it's "a fact" that this movie is bad is just wrong. A movie (or a book or a song or whatever) is either good or bad in someone's opinion, not as a fact.

But no, your kneejerk anti-Marvel argument is pretty silly. I don't think the people who have seen this movie and legitimately thought it sucked had any trouble following the story, other than the blatant out of left field Crisis references that are for comic book historians only. The story seems to have lots of plotholes and some shoddy character motivation and no amount of "But Marvel fans are stupid!" will handwave them away.

 

[Tourist]

If the shoe fits...

The worst part is the tribal mentality, as if any of these guys were major Disney shareholders.
For their movies to feel good they believe the others have to be bad, a lot of that going on.

 

[melkorjunior]

I think if you want those questions answered your best bet is to go see the movie for yourself. Instead of just citing hack bloggers in relation to a movie you haven't even bothered watching but are still doing your best to **** on.

I won't spend my money on it. But I'll see it on cable.

 

[Sewol]

The worst part is the tribal mentality, as if any of these guys were major Disney shareholders.
For their movies to feel good they believe the others have to be bad, a lot of that going on.

I never understood it, even as a kid, I read Marvel and DC without any sort of prejudice. It's just as bad as the console wars or Nike v Adidas. Imagine being so tribal about a multi-billion dollar company that doesn't care if you exist or not.

 

[Motuxmen]

So there are no bad films, and no good ones?

No, there are only opinions, not facts.

I don't get why this is a hard concept to follow. Here let's try this...

What's your favorite color? Is that a fact or opinion? Even if I HATE that color, does it change that you like it? Same thing with a movie. I

If I like a movie and think it's good, then to me that film is good. Just Becuase you think it's bad does not actually make my brain instantly think it's bad. It's subjective. It's not fact.

Facts are not subjective. They have nothing to do with personal likes or dislikes.

Your argument is like telling someone their favorite color is wrong. It's all about personal preference.

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

If the shoe fits...

As it happens, I preferred MoS to most Marvel films. The Dark Knight trilogy is leagues ahead of anything Marvel have done. I'm not calling BvS a bad film to get on the nerves of a few people who won't hear a bad word against it. I'm calling it bad because that is what it was.

 

[Sewol]

I won't spend my money on it. But I'll see it on cable.

Then why are you even bothering commenting on it. You've got no right to criticise something you haven't seen. I don't wanna spend money to go see Deadpool but that doesn't mean I jump in Deadpool threads and start trying to **** on the movie for other people.

 

[LexiKon318]

I thought that scene during the Doomsday battle when Wonder Woman gets

Spoiler

knocked down and she reacted with a smile before getting back up was pretty awesome. I thought it was quite sexy and bad *** ha

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[SilverStar17]

I won't spend my money on it. But I'll see it on cable.

In addition to having never seen the film, I think it's entirely possible your opinion about this particular may be a little biased already simply because you don't like Zack Snyder's interpretation of Superman, nor the direction of it.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing at all because people are entitled to like and dislike whatever they please, but it may be a little unfair to justify disparagement of a particular film when one, you've never seen it for yourself, and two, already emphatically voice disapproval with the way the director is handling a particular character or characters to begin with.

Before rendering criticism or agreeing with critics' opinions, I personally would see a film for myself first.

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

No, there are only opinions, not facts.

I don't get why this is a hard concept to follow. Here let's try this...

What's your favorite color? Is that a fact or opinion? Even if I HATE that color, does it change that you like it? Same thing with a movie. I

If I like a movie and think it's good, then to me that film is good. Just Becuase you think it's bad does not actually make my brain instantly think it's bad. It's subjective. It's not fact.

Facts are not subjective. They have nothing to do with personal likes or dislikes.

Your argument is like telling someone their favorite color is wrong. It's all about personal preference.

No it isn't

A favourite colour is an opinion.

The mpg on my car is a fact.

You're trying to make out that I'm confusing the two, when in reality I've not crossed the two once.

 

[Motuxmen]

Two things--first, I agree with Motuxmen, god help me--opinions aren't facts and saying it's "a fact" that this movie is bad is just wrong. A movie (or a book or a song or whatever) is either good or bad in someone's opinion, not as a fact.

But no, your kneejerk anti-Marvel argument is pretty silly. I don't think the people who have seen this movie and legitimately thought it sucked had any trouble following the story, other than the blatant out of left field Crisis references that are for comic book historians only. The story seems to have lots of plotholes and some shoddy character motivation and no amount of "But Marvel fans are stupid!" will handwave them away.

Those same issues are in fact in most marvel movies...if the reviews treated them equally it wouldn't be an issue, at least for me. But that's not the case. When a review slams BvS for plot holes and dark and killing in comparison to a marvel movie that has the same things...that's my issue.

And the bias for this film is pretty evident. How many marvel movies do people slam before seeing them? Have you slammed any marvel movies on this forum you have not seen?

 

[melkorjunior]

Then why are you even bothering commenting on it. You've got no right to criticise something you haven't seen. I don't wanna spend money to go see Deadpool but that doesn't mean I jump in Deadpool threads and start trying to **** on the movie for other people.

First, I've been criticizing Zack Snyder and his version of Superman that began with Man of Steel, which I have seen. And I've been quoting some reviews out there as reasons why I don't intend to pay money to see this movie. That's the job of reviewers--to warn us when movies have plots that don't hang together and characters who do things only for the sake of the plot.

 

[SilverStar17]

No, there are only opinions, not facts.

I don't get why this is a hard concept to follow. Here let's try this...

What's your favorite color? Is that a fact or opinion? Even if I HATE that color, does it change that you like it? Same thing with a movie. I

If I like a movie and think it's good, then to me that film is good. Just Becuase you think it's bad does not actually make my brain instantly think it's bad. It's subjective. It's not fact.

Facts are not subjective. They have nothing to do with personal likes or dislikes.

Your argument is like telling someone their favorite color is wrong. It's all about personal preference.

 

[melkorjunior]

In addition to having never seen the film, I think it's entirely possible your opinion about this particular may be a little biased already simply because you don't like Zack Snyder's interpretation of Superman, nor the direction of it.

You're absolutely right--I am biased against Zack Snyder's take on Superman. I detest it.

So why on earth would I want to spend my money on yet another movie about Superman directed by Zack Snyder?

 

[Motuxmen]

No it isn't

A favourite colour is an opinion.

The mpg on my car is a fact.

You're trying to make out that I'm confusing the two, when in reality I've not crossed the two once.

Again..

Yes mpg is a fact. Great.

Please show me the place on the internet that lists all the rules every film has to follow. Lost all the points that are used to determine the "facts" of a movie. What actual facts are you talking about????????

If I like BvS it's an opinion.

If you don't like BvS it's an opinion.

Miles per gallon is a fact.

Color preference is an opinion.

So.......which one is a better anology????????????????????????????

LIKE is the key word in your whole point.

 

[Remy]

No it isn't

A favourite colour is an opinion.

The mpg on my car is a fact.

You're trying to make out that I'm confusing the two, when in reality I've not crossed the two once.

Starscream, when you said your car is older than you...is your car made after after 2000?
No offense man, but I'm just baffled you're not getting Motux explaination, when its pretty clear.
And that you also insist on having an explanation why batman has to wear an armor to fight superman.

 

[SilverStar17]

No it isn't

A favourite colour is an opinion.

The mpg on my car is a fact.

You're trying to make out that I'm confusing the two, when in reality I've not crossed the two once.

Then why are you essentially saying that anyone who liked BvS is allowed to do so, but they have to at least concede that it was a bad film simply because in your opinion, it was a bad film?