1/6 Hot Toys BvS: Dawn of Justice-Wonder Woman

[Tourist]

Two things--first, I agree with Motuxmen, god help me--opinions aren't facts and saying it's "a fact" that this movie is bad is just wrong. A movie (or a book or a song or whatever) is either good or bad in someone's opinion, not as a fact.

But no, your kneejerk anti-Marvel argument is pretty silly. I don't think the people who have seen this movie and legitimately thought it sucked had any trouble following the story, other than the blatant out of left field Crisis references that are for comic book historians only. The story seems to have lots of plotholes and some shoddy character motivation and no amount of "But Marvel fans are stupid!" will handwave them away.

No anti Marvel argument from me, you are putting words in my mouth.
Most of the people who disliked BVS claim major plot holes (as you just did) and a story that is hard to follow.
They never elaborate on any of it, it's some kind of accepted doxa for them.
That's what I denounce in my post not Marvel, I like some of their movies.

 

[Sewol]

First, I've been criticizing Zack Snyder and his version of Superman that began with Man of Steel, which I have seen. And I've been quoting some reviews out there as reasons why I don't intend to pay money to see this movie. That's the job of reviewers--to warn us when movies have plots that don't hang together and characters who do things only for the sake of the plot.

Sorry, but I'm not gonna be convinced by the arguments of somebody who didn't even bother getting off their couch to go the cinema and make their own mind up.

 

[SilverStar17]

You're absolutely right--I am biased against Zack Snyder's take on Superman I detest it.

So why on earth would I want to spend my money on yet another movie about Superman directed by Zack Snyder?

I concur.

However, with also having never seen it, why on Earth would I disparage a film that I've never seen? Or even agree with the people who have seen it and their opinion is that it was bad?

 

[Motuxmen]

opinionplay
noun opin·ion \ə-ˈpin-yən\

Simple Definition of opinion
: a belief, judgment, or way of thinking about something : what someone thinks about a particular thing



fact
fakt/
noun
a thing that is indisputably the case.
"she lacks political experience—a fact that becomes clear when she appears in public"
synonyms: reality, actuality, certainty; More


And that's why it's not a fact. And look at the last sentence used to describe an opinion. Lol

The mpg of a car is a fact.

If someone likes the way a car looks is an opinion.

It's not complicated. Just Becuase someone says a movie is bad does not actually make it a fact. The only "facts" involved that can be compared are box office dollars. But that does not mean a film is good or bad. It means people saw it at the theater.

Just Becuase it has a certain score on some review site isn't a fact. It's a collection of opinions.

 

[SilverStar17]

 

[melkorjunior]

Those same issues are in fact in most marvel movies...if the reviews treated them equally it wouldn't be an issue, at least for me. But that's not the case. When a review slams BvS for plot holes and dark and killing in comparison to a marvel movie that has the same things...that's my issue.

And the bias for this film is pretty evident. How many marvel movies do people slam before seeing them? Have you slammed any marvel movies on this forum you have not seen?

Well, criticism about a dark tone and superheroes killing people is relative: Wolverine should be dark and he should kill people. But should Superman? Not all superheroes should be approached the same way.

I don't particularly mind Batman killing people--in this more realistic world it would be a stretch for him not to. Although that does make you wonder why he didn't just decide to become a Punisher type and use guns from the very beginning instead of getting all fancy with a bat outfit and bothering getting into fistfights every night; and it also makes you wonder why the Joker is still alive.

Wonder Woman is a warrior apparently in the Greek hoplite tradition with a sword and a shield and she should definitely kill people.

But Superman? He's supposed to be what we strive for. A beacon of hope to light humanity's way. And Zack Snyder will never, ever understand that all his treatment of Superman has done is take away what makes him special.

There's a reason Cavill has been compared so unfavorably, so often, to Christopher Reeve that Snyder finally had to comment on it. But it isn't Cavill's fault, it's Snyder's. A generation from now, people will still be watching Reeve's Superman, not Cavill's

 

[SilverStar17]

I personally don't think Snyder's deviated from the Superman canon. He's just simply filled in the gaps/grey areas with his own interpretation, not someone else's.

There's also a reason why SR wasn't that popular with today's generation.

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

Again..

Yes mpg is a fact. Great.

Please show me the place on the internet that lists all the rules every film has to follow. Lost all the points that are used to determine the "facts" of a movie. What actual facts are you talking about????????

If I like BvS it's an opinion.

If you don't like BvS it's an opinion.

Miles per gallon is a fact.

Color preference is an opinion.

So.......which one is a better anology????????????????????????????

LIKE is the key word in your whole point.

BvS isn't a bad film because I don't like it. It's bad because it has lots of genuine issues with almost all aspects of the film.

Jimi Hendrix was a better guitarist than James Bay. Or is that an opinion too?

 

[Motuxmen]

BvS isn't a bad film because I don't like it. It's bad because it has lots of genuine issues with almost all aspects of the film.

Jimi Hendrix was a better guitarist than James Bay. Or is that an opinion too?

Yes that is an opinion.(I like jimmy better but it's still opinion)


And those "problems" are based on opinions! Lol which means they are...hold on let me do the math...opinions! Lol


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[dario2739]

Then why are you even bothering commenting on it. You've got no right to criticise something you haven't seen. I don't wanna spend money to go see Deadpool but that doesn't mean I jump in Deadpool threads and start trying to **** on the movie for other people.

It's a problem I see all the time – I hated both Thor movies, and think Age of Ultron was poor. And, while I really enjoyed TWS and Ant-Man they have major plot flaws... but why the hell would I go on their respective threads to troll about them – I have been on to simply say tha I didn't like them, but not in an antagonistic way, and having said my piece left.
I can respect people for not wanting to see BvS for reasons like not liking Snyder's movies - fair enough - I haven't seen Deadpool either, simply because I don't like Ryan Reynolds... I can't think of one movie, where he has been the star, that is good or where he has been likeable and not plain annoying... but I haven't been on the Deadpool thread slagging the movie off!

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

Starscream, when you said your car is older than you...is your car made after after 2000?
No offense man, but I'm just baffled you're not getting Motux explaination, when its pretty clear.
And that you also insist on having an explanation why batman has to wear an armor to fight superman.

And what has that got to do with anything? A couple of seconds would have been better spent explaining the appearance of a new suit than making it clear that a certain part of the city is uninhabited.

 

[dario2739]

BvS isn't a bad film because I don't like it. It's bad because it has lots of genuine issues with almost all aspects of the film.

But that is your opinion – My opinion is that I don't think it had any genuine issues.

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

Then why are you essentially saying that anyone who liked BvS is allowed to do so, but they have to at least concede that it was a bad film simply because in your opinion, it was a bad film?

The two things are getting crossed again.

It's badly made. That's that. My opinion doesn't come into it.

 

[dario2739]

The two things are getting crossed again.

It's badly made. That's that. My opinion doesn't come into it.

No it isn't – that IS YOUR OPINION ...it's you that isn't comprhending things here, if you're having trouble grasping the most basic of things here there's no wonder you didn't like the movie!

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

Yes that is an opinion.(I like jimmy better but it's still opinion)


And those "problems" are based on opinions! Lol which means they are...hold on let me do the math...opinions! Lol

I'm talking technical guitar playing ability, not their music.

Lionel Messi is a better footballer than Jon Walters. Still an opinion?

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

No it isn't – that IS YOUR OPINION ...it's you that isn't comprhending things here, if you're having trouble grasping the most basic of things here there's no wonder you didn't like the movie!

You can't seriously be telling me that the awkward pacing, bad editing and shifting focus is GOOD?

 

[dario2739]

You can't seriously be telling me that the awkward pacing, bad editing and shifting focus is GOOD?

There was no problem with pacing, no problem with editing and shifting focus... not even sure what you mean there – that's a FACT!

 

[Johnny Utah]

Just dropping in to say I loved Gal in the film. Probably won't get the figure, but I loved her in the film.

 

[spindrift]

No it isn't – that IS YOUR OPINION ...it's you that isn't comprhending things here, if you're having trouble grasping the most basic of things here there's no wonder you didn't like the movie!

don't engage kids- why bother??

 

[Sewol]

This is literally going nowhere.