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do you guys think the base is incomplete in HT's pics? I was expecting the base to look the same as the previous DX bases.

I'm sure they'll do something more to it, but I kinda like the raw feel to it, especially compared to the bases on the Nolan figures. It just screams "vintage." :lol

It shouldn't be the same as TDK because that was based off of the film's actual prop/costume bases.

So the MJ DX base had a different texture resembling the subway ground. I expect this to be different as well.


They're going to change it, look at what the specs description reads.



Accessories:

- One (1) extendable gauntlet
- One (1) batarang
- One (1) remote
- Light-up figure stand with Batman nameplate, the movie logo and the DX series title

I'd like rock/slab rock looking base it would remind me of the Batcave.




My guess is, it's probably going to be placed where the TDK logo was on the other DX stands but instead of the TDK logo, we'll get this.



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The more I think of it the more I wouldn't mind spending 20$ more on batman if they included something reminiscent of the batcave to display him on kind of like what they did with JS and the rudder.
 
Every movie has faults. Off the top of my head I can name a few problems with '89 Batman.

- The Gotham location at Pinewood, while an extremely impressive set, is so "small" that during the chase scenes you can see the streets and buildings, specifically the Monarch theater multiple times.

- Footlight Frenzy, the movie playing at the Monarch is showing during the past in Bruce Wayne's childhood flashback and during the present time.

- Some of the animation shots are wonky like Batman's first appearance on top of the rooftop when he hears the mother screaming or when the Joker falls to his death.

And there are others. The Prince music can feel inappropriate and dated at times. But you know what? Who cares? No film is perfect, no THING is perfect. There was an innocence to it in 1989 that has been demolished today because folks tend to get bored, cynical end edgy over time.

The good outweighs the bad. I could go on and on about the subtleties, the score, the visuals, the characterizations, the meanings, the props. Why people prefer to discuss the flaws of something or debate the quality between this and that is beyond me.



It is what it is.
Those are mostly technical issues. I was thinking more along the lines of storytelling issues. Like:

1. Napier/Joker has twice the scenes and dialog as Bruce/Batman. Bruce speaks little or no dialog until he visits Vicki in her apartment, while Joker is having scene after scene, monologue after monologue.

2. How does Joker have the ability and knowhow to hijack Gotham television broadcasts?

3. Why does Vicki Vale have a fully furnished apartment if she's just visiting Gotham to "see some of the wildlife"? And for that matter, why is her number in the phone book?

4. Why is there no Gotham police at Joker's parade, and how'd he get a permit to hold that thing anyhow?

5. All of Gotham gets their health and beauty products from Axis chemicals?

6. Joker has a pistol that can take down a plane? Really? But Batman's plane can't shoot for ____?

7. Why are there Joker goons in the cathedral belltower, and how did they get their? The helicopter hadn't yet arrived.

To name the most stand-out issues. Again, love the film, but it is in every way a dumb summer blockbuster.
 
Those are mostly technical issues. I was thinking more along the lines of storytelling issues. Like:

1. Napier/Joker has twice the scenes and dialog as Bruce/Batman. Bruce speaks little or no dialog until he visits Vicki in her apartment, while Joker is having scene after scene, monologue after monologue.

2. How does Joker have the ability and knowhow to hijack Gotham television broadcasts?

3. Why does Vicki Vale have a fully furnished apartment if she's just visiting Gotham to "see some of the wildlife"? And for that matter, why is her number in the phone book?

4. Why is there no Gotham police at Joker's parade, and how'd he get a permit to hold that thing anyhow?

5. All of Gotham gets their health and beauty products from Axis chemicals?

6. Joker has a pistol that can take down a plane? Really? But Batman's plane can't shoot for ____?

7. Why are there Joker goons in the cathedral belltower, and how did they get their? The helicopter hadn't yet arrived.

To name the most stand-out issues. Again, love the film, but it is in every way a dumb summer blockbuster.

You shouldn't ask these questions. What do you want, everything to be "spoon-fed" to you? :lol
 
Those are mostly technical issues. I was thinking more along the lines of storytelling issues. Like:

1. Napier/Joker has twice the scenes and dialog as Bruce/Batman. Bruce speaks little or no dialog until he visits Vicki in her apartment, while Joker is having scene after scene, monologue after monologue.

2. How does Joker have the ability and knowhow to hijack Gotham television broadcasts?

3. Why does Vicki Vale have a fully furnished apartment if she's just visiting Gotham to "see some of the wildlife"? And for that matter, why is her number in the phone book?

4. Why is there no Gotham police at Joker's parade, and how'd he get a permit to hold that thing anyhow?

5. All of Gotham gets their health and beauty products from Axis chemicals?

6. Joker has a pistol that can take down a plane? Really? But Batman's plane can't shoot for ____?

7. Why are there Joker goons in the cathedral belltower, and how did they get their? The helicopter hadn't yet arrived.

To name the most stand-out issues. Again, love the film, but it is in every way a dumb summer blockbuster.

It's a movie where a man dressed up is a bat....if you really have to ponder these questions you must not enjoy any type of fantasy at all...you could nit pic any movie but as a viewer you have to let go and enjoy the story...who cares if VV is in the phone book, who cares if Joker can hijack a TV station...it's a super hero movie and they dont exist, these trivial things shouldn't matter.
 
for me i don't care about every little bit of detail in a movie.. If i did.. i'll start With Bale's Batman Voice.
 
It's a movie where a man dressed up is a bat....if you really have to ponder these questions you must not enjoy any type of fantasy at all...you could nit pic any movie but as a viewer you have to let go and enjoy the story...who cares if VV is in the phone book, who cares if Joker can hijack a TV station...it's a super hero movie and they dont exist, these trivial things shouldn't matter.

Nice. The "it's just a fantasy movie, it doesn't matter" defense. NO. I'm all for fantasy. I'm all for not nit-picking...hell, I was a HUGE fan of Batman '89 as a kid, but this movie has so many problems with basic storytelling it is ridiculous. I'm not even talking about whether or not Batman has a believable backstory (we all know how I feel about that :lol) I'm not talking about explaining every little thing so that the low-attention span, no imagination, nit-picky modern audience or whatever else you want to call them can understand it.

Yes it's just a movie. Yes, it's fantasy, it doesn't have to make sense in the "real world". ...that is no excuse for terrible storytelling and plot. Tim Burton even said he couldn't say what the plot of "Batman" was. That's fine dude, it's not like you're the director of the freaking movie or anything.
 
Did we (you guys) ever come to a consensus as to where the best place to pre-order from was?
 
Did we (you guys) ever come to a consensus as to where the best place to pre-order from was?

There's no consensus really, as everyone has their own favorite places to order from. But, I'd suggest ordering directly from Sideshow Collectibles. There's no non-refundable deposit, and you can cancel at any time without a charge on your card (although, I doubt that anyone would cancel this figure!). They also have monthly flex payment options available. Also, their customer service reps also very pleasant to talk to over the phone, if you should ever have an issue with your order.
 
1. Napier/Joker has twice the scenes and dialog as Bruce/Batman. Bruce speaks little or no dialog until he visits Vicki in her apartment, while Joker is having scene after scene, monologue after monologue.


The Joker wants attention, Batman/Bruce Wayne doesn't. Batman doesn't chew up his screen time making long, dramatic speeches.

Actions and appearance speak louder than words. Batman says what he has to say and that's it. You really want a character like him to have monologues? It would be like Dirty Harry speaking everything that was on his mind.


2. How does Joker have the ability and knowhow to hijack Gotham television broadcasts?

Uhhh, he's the Joker? It happens in the comics all the time.

He has a Ninja, he has Bob the Goon (who is constantly seen taking notes) and a whole team of thugs at his disposal. Is it that implausible that he'd have a technician that could help him hijack into the Television broadcasts?

Plus he isn't stupid. His records state that he's "highly intelligent and emotionally unstable" and he has a background in chemistry.

3. Why does Vicki Vale have a fully furnished apartment if she's just visiting Gotham to "see some of the wildlife"? And for that matter, why is her number in the phone book?

Got me on that one.

Though, Bruce and The Joker do state that "it's nice, lots of space" and there really isn't that much in there.

Fully furnished? Maybe she rented it from a previous owner.

4. Why is there no Gotham police at Joker's parade, and how'd he get a permit to hold that thing anyhow?

- Comic Adaptation has cops stating that they "aren't equipped to handle this".

- Script had a deleted scene/sequence where the Joker poisoned half of the Gotham Police Force.

Now I know what you're thinking, "but that wasn't in the movie", but look no further than when the Joker announces his plan for Gotham and interrupts Mayor Borg's speech.

"The 200th Anniversary Birthday Gala has been indefinitely postponed, we simply cannot guarantee public safety."

Then the Joker cuts him off. That would explain why Mayor Borg in the film is publicly announcing this. There's only a small squad of officers that could protect anyone from harm and Joker's men out number them. I believe you see them storming the Cathedral after the float is blown to bits by Batman.

And a permit for the parade? :lol The Joker is basically a terrorist, he doesn't need one. Before The Joker, the head honcho, the "guy that ran the show" was Grissom. He had dirty cops at his disposal and basically ran Gotham City. The Joker killed him, took over and killed all the other mob bosses in the city.

Gotham is corrupt remember? The only decent people are Harvey Dent, Gordon and Borg.



5. All of Gotham gets their health and beauty products from Axis chemicals?

He somehow tainted the shipments? Remember, they have to be mixed to work.

If this film is a period piece then it isn't modern and that means Gotham gets their products from the United States and not across seas. It's not illogical that Axis is a source of these products.



6. Joker has a pistol that can take down a plane? Really? But Batman's plane can't shoot for ____?

Yep, it's stupid and illogical but it's still a good scene. Without it, we wouldn't have the Joker standing in the middle of the street, arms out stretched and saying "come on you gruesome son of a _____". Nor would we have Batman pulling a trigger intently and getting pissed off.

It's interesting to note that originally the 200th Anniversary cake float was built over a tank and one of the sides pop open and shoots the Batwing down with an explosive shell.

I'm guessing that was scrapped for budget and $$$ reasons and they just went with a simple, budget friendly scene.

But yeah, agreed. It's stupid but oh well. You've got to get Batman out of the Batwing and on his feet somehow.

7. Why are there Joker goons in the cathedral belltower, and how did they get their? The helicopter hadn't yet arrived.

Rewrites in the final act of the script to give Batman something to do so the confrontation between Batman and the Joker was more interesting? Originally, the Joker is escaping the cops who are in pursuit and goes up the Cathedral. Vicki Vale isn't even with him. Batman, wounded, follows him. They meet up there, just Batman and the Joker, have a little dialogue and bats swarm from this sonar device and kill the Joker. That would have been boring. It gave the characters more to do. I totally understand the idea behind "yeah, lets throw Vicki into this, make her a damsel in distress. Maybe have an already wounded Batman get the ____ beat out of him before confronting the Joker." It makes perfect sense.

Or.

Maybe the Joker just had his men assigned and posted to different buildings that covered the floats progression for protection and an easy get away?

There's only three guys in the Cathedral (Ninja thug, thug that falls through the steps and the black strong thug).

Remember, when the Joker is on the float and states "now comes the part . . ." it cuts to Joker thugs sitting on the edge of a building, over looking the parade and yelling "get your masks!" or something.


To name the most stand-out issues. Again, love the film, but it is in every way a dumb summer blockbuster.

Film is all about interpretation.

If storytelling issues or plot holes make a film a "dumb summer blockbuster" than almost every superhero film is a dumb summer blockbuster. That includes all 7 Batman films.
 
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The Joker wants attention, Batman/Bruce Wayne doesn't. Batman doesn't chew up his screen time making long, dramatic speeches.

Actions and appearance speak louder than words. Batman says what he has to say and that's it.



Uhhh, he's the Joker? It happens in the comics all the time.

He has a Ninja, he has Bob the Goon (who is constantly seen taking notes) and a whole team of thugs at his disposal. Is it that implausible that he'd have a technician that could help him hijack into the Television broadcasts?

Plus he isn't stupid. His records state that he's "highly intelligent and emotionally unstable" and he has a background in chemistry.



Got me on that one.

Though, Bruce and The Joker do state that "it's nice, lots of space" and there really isn't that much in there.

Fully furnished? Maybe she rented it from a previous owner.



- Comic Adaptation has cops stating that they "aren't equipped to handle this".

- Script had a deleted scene/sequence where the Joker poisoned half of the Gotham Police Force.

Now I know what you're thinking, "but that wasn't in the movie", but look no further than when the Joker announces his plan for Gotham and interrupts Mayor Borg's speech.

"The 200th Anniversary Birthday Gala has been indefinitely postponed, we simply cannot guarantee public safety."

Then the Joker cuts him off. That would explain why Mayor Borg in the film is publicly announcing this. There's only a small squad of officers that could protect anyone from harm and Joker's men out number them. I believe you see them storming the Cathedral after the float is blown to bits by Batman.

And a permit for the parade? :lol The Joker is basically a terrorist, he doesn't need one. Before The Joker, the head honcho, the "guy that ran the show" was Grissom. He had dirty cops at his disposal and basically ran Gotham City. The Joker killed him, took over and killed all the other mob bosses in the city.

Gotham is corrupt remember? The only decent people are Harvey Dent, Gordon and Borg.





He somehow tainted the shipments? Remember, they have to be mixed to work.

If this film is a period piece then it isn't modern and that means Gotham gets their products from the United States and not across seas. It's not illogical that Axis is a source of these products.





Yep, it's stupid and illogical but it's still a good scene. Without it, we wouldn't have the Joker standing in the middle of the street, arms out stretched and saying "come on you gruesome son of a _____". Nor would we have Batman pulling a trigger intently and getting pissed off.

It's interesting to note that originally the 200th Anniversary cake float was built over a tank and one of the sides pop open and shoots the Batwing down with an explosive shell.

I'm guessing that was scrapped for budget and $$$ reasons and they just went with a simple, budget friendly scene.

But yeah, agreed. It's stupid but oh well. You've got to get Batman out of the Batwing and on his feet somehow.



Rewrites in the final act of the script to give Batman something to do so the confrontation between Batman and the Joker was more interesting? Originally, the Joker is escaping the cops who are in pursuit and goes up the Cathedral. Vicki Vale isn't even with him. Batman, wounded, follows him. They meet up there, just Batman and the Joker, have a little dialogue and bats swarm from this sonar device and kill the Joker. That would have been boring. It gave the characters more to do. I totally understand the idea behind "yeah, lets throw Vicki into this, make her a damsel in distress. Maybe have an already wounded Batman get the ____ beat out of him before confronting the Joker." It makes perfect sense.

Or.

Maybe the Joker just had his men assigned and posted to different buildings that covered the floats progression for protection and an easy get away?

There's only three guys in the Cathedral (Ninja thug, thug that falls through the steps and the black strong thug).

Remember, when the Joker is on the float and states "now comes the part . . ." it cuts to Joker thugs sitting on the edge of a building, over looking the parade and yelling "get your masks!" or something.




Film is all about interpretation.

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DiFabio :lecture :lecture :lecture awesome explanation, and I'll use my fantasy driven brain to explain VV's apt. A large newspaper would definitely have some type of fully furnished apt to put up a guest/freelancer of the likes of VV she did photo the Corto Maltese and was an established/respected photographer. Not trying to bring this thread down or anything but this is a fantasy movie...Gotham is totally fictional, it's not based on reality so small plot holes don't bother me...if they bother you while I dont get it thats your take and I respect that.
 
Nolan's Batman is so freaking realistic that Batman jumped off a high rise that he had just used a helicopter to land on, was able to catch an evening gown wearing Rachel in mid air, then both landed on a car and lived, not even requiring any medical attention.

For the person who thinks that Nolan's Batman is more realistic than the 89 movie, go jump off a high rise wearing as much armor as your can find, and let me know how that worked out for you. :lol
 
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