He didn't love it, and he didn't want to do "another one" (Burton isn't interested in sequels) but he did it because he was interested in the new characters of Catwoman, Penguin
Why would he want to do those? He's not a fan of the comics or characters? Wait, isn't that a contradiction?
Must have been the money.
You disagree about WHAT? That the point of Batman isn't about the imagery, isn't about striking fear into criminals, or appearing to be inhuman or supernatural?
That IS what it's all about.
The cowl, the cape, the image. Without it, Batman isn't
Batman.
- You bring up one scene where Bruce Wayne beats up a bunch of asians at a prison but I seem to recall him getting carried away to solitary confinement, defeated.
- In Mask of the Phantasm, the group of criminals think he's a joke. They get a few punches in and almost get away and Bruce gets injured
because they didn't fear him.
- In the comics he goes out to a sleazy part of town, tries to stop a pimp and a prostitute gets knife happy, he gets beat down, and cops shoot him. He flees and gets inspiration while he's close to bleeding to death.
- Like wise, in Batman '89 Bruce stands up to the Joker (who is surrounded by muscle with weapons by the way) and gets shot.
Yeah, Bruce Wayne is a tough guy, that's because he
is Batman. BUT the suit, the costume, whatever
completes the persona. I thought this was common knowledge?
You're making Bruce Wayne seem like he doesn't need the suit, when in fact, he does. It's stupid. That's literally half of what Batman is about, like it or not. Yeah, Wayne has the abilities without the suit and the suit is only one aspect that defines Batman but that image is the most important aspect. So what's your end game? That because we don't see the Keaton Bruce Wayne fight in hand to hand combat that he can't do it? Whaaaaaaat? He can fight as Batman, he can threaten the Joker as Bruce Wayne but he can't fight, as Bruce Wayne? Yet he tries?
‘Here’s a guy who doesn’t look like Arnold Schwarzenegger, so why is he doing this?’ He’s trying to create an image for himself – he’s trying to become something he’s not. - Tim Burton.
https://blogs.amctv.com/movie-blog/20...enting-the.php
I think you're taking that waaaaay out of context. Look at what he said right there. "He doesn't look like Arnold Schwarzenegger" (does Kilmer, Clooney or Bale?) and "He's trying to create an image for imself, he's trying to become something he's not."
What is he trying to become Dark Magic? Certainly not Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Could it be a,
I don't think Bruce Wayne is a bat, is he? Sure you could say that could be reaching, but then again I could say the same of you.
I see what you are saying. Yes the batsuit is supposed to be scary and intimidating to criminals that run into Batman. Of course, I am not disputing that. What I am saying is that that is not all Batman is about--the "image" of fear.
If you're implying that it's also about being a "symbol of hope" and an image about getting good people to rally together to do the right thing, you're wrong. Don't even give the Nolan films as an example, because Batman fails miserably in that department, and even acknowledges that. Not only does his image
inspire madness he fully admits that he isn't a symbol of hope. He disregards it completely. Bruce Wayne and Gotham's "light" and "symbol" is a guy that attempted to kill an innocent kid, what's that say?
Bruce Wayne
can't do the things Batman can. That's the point. That's why there is the philanthropic side of Bruce Wayne, that's something Batman
can't do.
Once again, Nolan (and Batman TAS + Mask of The Phantasm, now that you mentioned it) showed us the damage Wayne could do to his enemies even without it, Burton didn't.
Batman Forever showed us Kilmer Bruce Wayne (not Batman) beating the crap out of 20 thugs and
winning. It takes a SHOT to the FACE to stop him. Not Asian soldiers, not a pimp, not a prostitute with a knife. A bullet to the face.
Again, what's your point?
Bale Batman is the toughest of em all? They're ALL the same character. If the script called for Keaton Bruce to fight a million extraterrestrial aliens, then the film would depict just that, Bruce Wayne fighting a million extraterrestrial aliens.
That you did. But all he is doing in those shots is brooding. Any actor worth his salt would be able to keep a serious face. There is more to "being" Batman than walking around with a stern facial expression on all the time. This is not a dig at Keaton, because the shooting script really didn't call for him to do much as Bruce Wayne to show how capable he was.
I guess he doesn't have a personality at the Wayne Manor event when he's making digs at Alexander Knox and being a sarcastic, son of a _____. I guess we never see him upset over the fact that his parents were taken from him in is youth. I guess we never see any other side of his character like when he's investigating looking through files and talking with Alfred.
There's just Bat-Mike and Brooding Mike, my mistake.
And yes, you could fool me that you actually have any interest in this figure at all.
I could say I appreciate Killer Klowns from Outer space for what it is but would that mean I actually care that much about it and want to own figures of it. NO.
, also I agree with an earlier post that when I was 10 I could care less about plot holes...this was a comic brought to life. Before this all I can remember was the 70's live action Spiderman, Supes, and Batman on TV. This movie was so different and groundbreaking at the time.
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If you guys mean me, then yes, I do appreciate Burton's Batman, and yes, I am dropping massive cheese for these pre-orders. 
