Hot Toys - DX13 - T2: T-800 (Battle-Damaged Version) 1/6-scale Collectible Figure

[pred439]

Id put money on this one being the DX07 of this year. Was originally due in June, delayed till October. This guy will hit a delay or two Im sure.

I certainly hope not but your probably right.

 

[Kamandi]

A DX set like this with all these parts? It wouldn't even feel like we had a chance to anticipate it's arrival unless it's delayed one or two times. If it arrived on time I'd have to b-tch about it.

 

[pred439]

A DX set like this with all these parts? It wouldn't even feel like we had a chance to anticipate it's arrival unless it's delayed one or two times. If it arrived on time I'd have to b-tch about it.

 

[a-dev]

Nope, the movie's been around for 20 years, if they cared, why not just do it right from day 1. Much of what the HT sculpt is off for comes down to a choice more than skill or effort. They chose to make te muscle layer thicker, they chose to leave more flesh than was torn away, there's no shortage of reference out there, hell, even NECA got it right and could have been used for reference. If HT makes the dramatic changes people are calling for, I'll be surprised and it'll only be because they can't atand hearing people like EB more, same reason we got DX10 after all the EB praise for their first T-800, HT has a huge ego and doesn't react we'll to it being bruised.

I mean I'll still be buying HT's one, multiples of it, but super-accuracy just isn't their specialty and its not lack of ability as you say, they just prefer to do their own thing inasmuch as they think they can get away with.

 

[DanceGavinDance]

hmm, didn't seem to notice before, but what's with the tear in the jacket on the right sleeve near his forearm?

Arnold didn't have that in the film, did he?

 

[Rzeznikk]

I mean I'll still be buying HT's one, multiples of it, but super-accuracy just isn't their specialty and its not lack of ability as you say, they just prefer to do their own thing inasmuch as they think they can get away with.

Im the same, Ill be getting this guy as well (not multiples mind you), But HT doesnt look too closely to SUPER-Screen Accuracy. If they did, we would have a much more screen accurate Predator(s).

 

[The Skull]

Hot toys make some of the most acturate stuff there is, Not on every release but most of the time. I will say the enterbay 1/4 scale stuff rocks, no denieing it, but it is 1/4 scale afterall so it should be more detailed but default. Hot toys stuff is amazing, its the biggest and best game in town, enterbay can match and sometimes even beat ht's 1/6 stuff with there 1/4 stuff, but is that a fair comparision

I like the competision they have with each other, it makes for better products for us the consumer, and they can go on doing it as its all good. However enterbay seems to be exceeding in 1/4 scale for now but we are yet to hold a 1/4 hot toys figure, so after that we will see whos really top dog.

 

[tommyh84]

there is.
and it is "massive".

This is exactly the type of obnoxious comment I was talking about

 

[S. Griffin]

Hot toys make some of the most acturate stuff there is, Not on every release but most of the time. I will say the enterbay 1/4 scale stuff rocks, no denieing it, but it is 1/4 scale afterall so it should be more detailed but default. Hot toys stuff is amazing, its the biggest and best game in town, enterbay can match and sometimes even beat ht's 1/6 stuff with there 1/4 stuff, but is that a fair comparision

The issue at hand isn't just that Enterbay's 1/4 scale BD T-800 is more detailed than Hot Toy's 1/6 scale BD T-800, but it is more accurately detailed as well. As has been pointed out multiple times in this thread, much of the battle damage and exposed endo details on the Hot Toys figures aren't simply less defined due to size, they are generally inaccurate. Whether something is 50% smaller or larger shouldn't determine whether more or less metal is showing, the thickness of exposed muscle and sinew, and the shape and locations of wounds. Also, if Hot Toys could get the shape of that jaw piston correct on a 1/6 endoskeleton they made five years ago, they should be able to get it correct on DX-13.
Is it easier to make a 19" figure look more like Arnold Schwarzenegger than a 12" figure? Yes. The rest however, is pretty clearly a case of Hot Toys taking artistic liberties, yet again.

 

[MaulFan]

Hot toys make some of the most acturate stuff there is, Not on every release but most of the time. I will say the enterbay 1/4 scale stuff rocks, no denieing it, but it is 1/4 scale afterall so it should be more detailed but default. Hot toys stuff is amazing, its the biggest and best game in town, enterbay can match and sometimes even beat ht's 1/6 stuff with there 1/4 stuff, but is that a fair comparision

I like the competision they have with each other, it makes for better products for us the consumer, and they can go on doing it as its all good. However enterbay seems to be exceeding in 1/4 scale for now but we are yet to hold a 1/4 hot toys figure, so after that we will see whos really top dog.

If people were praising Enterbay for details that could only be achieved at 1/4 scale, I'd agree that it's not fair to compare them, like if people were talking about Enterbay using real metals and woods for their weapons and HT using plastic, that's a poor argument, the larger size allows for accessories to be made of different materials for a number of reasons.

The comparisons that are being made between the Enterbay battle damage figure and this one are about the ability of each figure to represent the source material. When people talk about the details, they're not saying Enterbay is more detailed, though it is of course, they're saying that Enterbay got more of the details about the source material correct.

Just going with very basic details that are off, in the movie, the ripped flesh runs right along the bridge of his nose, on the HT sculpt, there's a lot more skin showing in that area than there should be. In the movie, there's just a thin later of muscle tissue showing between the skin and Endoskeleton both on his fast and his chest, look at the amount showing on HT, much more than the movie, especially at the chest. Enterbay nailed both of these details. Again, this isn't something to do with scale, NECA sculpted a BD T-800 portrait at 1/6 and got the same details right as Enterbay, Hot Toys sculpt is just off, either by choice, which you'd hope is the reason, or by a significant failure on the part of the sculptor to represent the source material.

Now, if people prefer the HT figure over the Enterbay one, that's cool with me, we have options and can make choices, I don't care what choice anyone makes, I only care about having an option for myself. However, if we're going to discuss and compare in a civil manner, I have my thoughts that I feel like discussing, and there's just no way anyone can say HT is closer to what Arnold looked like on screen than Enterbay.

 

[The Skull]

I agree with what you guys are saying, I know the enterbay version has a more acturate head sculpt, no question there. However when both figures are compared as a whole, the dx13 is a more complete and well thought out release. I say that because you get two sculpts and two jackets and two arms, that way you can display it as he was at differant times in the movie.

Now with the enterbay figure its not well thought out, the wrong grenade launcher was provided and yeah you get the extra arm with no good way to use it except inacturatly. they put in cyberdine parts that don't fit with this release and expect you to just have there first clean version, what if you don't then your left with parts you can't use and the wrong grenade launcher and the endo arm looks wrong too

DX13 has everything needed for two complete looks and the t-1000 to boot. I argee that the bd on one sculpt is off, the other is just about perfect though, will the bd on the exposed endo eye sculpt be corrected, IDK but its a good chance it will, they updated the dx10 and a bunch of others in the past.

 

[Frank]

Look, if you want to maximize your terminator collectible experience, then you're going to have to get the 1/4 stuff. Odds are they'll be worth alot more as collectibles as less people go for them.

I guess we're all so used to seeing 1/6 as the end all be all representation that we try to knockdown the competition. There's no need. You can get into EB vs HT when HT produces their own 1/4 BD T-800. Doesn't even matter if the smaller sculpt was more accurate. Considering how much bigger and in your face the 1/4 is, the 1/6 Arnie would have to serve drinks to keep the pace. I myself am more a fan of the 1/6 stuff for space and economic reasons, so I'm sticking with it. It fills a niche what can I say?

 

[The Skull]

Look, if you want to maximize your terminator collectible experience, then you're going to have to get the 1/4 stuff. Odds are they'll be worth alot more as collectibles as less people go for them.

I guess we're all so used to seeing 1/6 as the end all be all representation that we try to knockdown the competition. There's no need. You can get into EB vs HT when HT produces their own 1/4 BD T-800. Doesn't even matter if the smaller sculpt was more accurate. Considering how much bigger and in your face the 1/4 is, the 1/6 Arnie would have to serve drinks to keep the pace. I myself am more a fan of the 1/6 stuff for space and economic reasons, so I'm sticking with it. It fills a niche what can I say?

Not sure if this is directed at me or not, but I'm not trying to knockdown the competition, I even stated I like the rivalry with EB vs HT two posts ago. I also own the enterbay 1/4 t-800 clean version, so I'm not some 1/4 scale hater. The enterbay figure is great looking, just not well executed, dx13 is a better executed figure is all i'm saying.

 

[a-dev]

Not sure if this is directed at me or not, but I'm not trying to knockdown the competition, I even stated I like the rivalry with EB vs HT two posts ago. I also own the enterbay 1/4 t-800 clean version, so I'm not some 1/4 scale hater. The enterbay figure is great looking, just not well executed, dx13 is a better executed figure is all i'm saying.

I agree with your points about the package comparitively speaking - the HT is better in that regard, but dude, as much as you were impressed with EBs first T-800 after getting it recently the new one will make your head explode.....K maybe thats not a good thing...it'll give you a stonking erec.....no, thats wierd.....look it'll blow you away. Do buy it! Please! And buy the HT one for the semi-BD look.

 

[The Skull]

I agree with your points about the package comparitively speaking the HT is better in that regard, but dude, as much as you were impressed with EBs first T-800 after getting it recently the new one will make your head explode.....K maybe thats not a good thing...it'll give you a stonking erec.....no, thats wierd.....look it'll blow you away. Do buy it! Please! And buy the HT one for the semi-BD look.

I know your telling the truth and I am planing on getting it when it hits us retailers. I was just calling it as I see it, I never said it was anything but great, the sculpt is as good as it gets, just poorly placed accessoires and such. People are thinking I'm poo pooing it cause I pointed out a few issues and I'm not. I'm also not gunna crap on the dx13 ether cause thats a impressive figure too.

I like both companys work, I do favor hot toys in general though if I'm honest, not that they won this fanboy made fight cause they did'nt, enterbay's piece is epicly good.

BTW did you see the new pic in the general section of the 1/6 t-800 endo under hot toys 2013 projects

 

[a-dev]

I know your telling the truth and I am planing on getting it when it hits us retailers. I was just calling it as I see it, I never said it was anything but great, the sculpt is as good as it gets, just poorly placed accessoires and such. People are thinking I'm poo pooing it cause I pointed out a few issues and I'm not. I'm also not gunna crap on the dx13 ether cause thats a impressive figure too.

I like both companys work, I do favor hot toys in general though if I'm honest, not that they won this fanboy made fight cause they did'nt, enterbay's piece is epicly good.

BTW did you see the new pic in the general section of the 1/6 t-800 endo under hot toys 2013 projects

You're absolutely right. The package here lacks only the teargas launcher, a control box for the chains in the steel mill, maybe something else that isn't springing to my semi-drunk mind right now. It has literally everything else you could want. Whereas with the Enterbay figure you get...a useless human forearm, and accessories for a different figure.

I'm more bugged by that though because it really suggests to me that Enterbay will not be doing a seperate Cyberdyne T-800 with a new clean sculpt by Scuderia - which I now would dearly love.

As for HT here - I don't see them changing their approach to this figure. I think they'll keep their artistic license as regards the BD stuff. Thats their thing. What they've done is amazing looking...just its not what I think most would prefer if they had been given a say beforehand. One doesn't prefer innaccuracy - at best you just ''don't mind it''.

 

[pred439]

hmm, didn't seem to notice before, but what's with the tear in the jacket on the right sleeve near his forearm?

Arnold didn't have that in the film, did he?

I think he did.

 

[P.]

hmm, didn't seem to notice before, but what's with the tear in the jacket on the right sleeve near his forearm?

Arnold didn't have that in the film, did he?

not sure if got it right.
but if it is about the elbow zone, he had it even in the arm flesh cut scene.
he was thrown though the glass in the gallery shop, remember.

This is exactly the type of obnoxious comment I was talking about

exactly the type of things i don't care.
HT did a terrible job in movie accuracy with this head while EB made almost everything like the makeup, including the awful fake eye.

 

[pred439]

well both companies are good in there own ways.

 

[snoop101]

not sure if got it right.
but if it is about the elbow zone, he had it even in the arm flesh cut scene.
he was thrown though the glass in the gallery shop, remember.

exactly the type of things i don't care.
HT did a terrible job in movie accuracy with this head while EB made almost everything like the makeup, including the awful fake eye.

You should make a list of the mistakes/inaccuracies in T1 and T2. Have it be atleast 20 pages long.