Hot Toys MIS10 - Michael Jackson (Beat It version) spec and pics

[karamazov80]

I hope their Smooth Criminal version will be their best yet, it MUST BE!!!!

Though best likeness is possible, no post-plastic surgery/skin whitening MJ is gonna beat a figure from the Thriller era.

 

[Moonwalker1982]

Though best likeness is possible, no post-plastic surgery/skin whitening MJ is gonna beat a figure from the Thriller era.

How come you forgot 'Vitiligo-skin disease' in your reply? What is it with people who keep insisting he made his own skin white. His very own word at Oprah was apparently not enough, how about the ******* autopsy result that clearly stated he suffered from vitiligo.

There's even a special part about Mike there. And by the looks of it, his son apparently suffers from it too. It baffles me how some people still deny this fact...i don't know why they are so persistant. Dude was a proud black african-american, his lyrics,videos and more certainly showed that.

 

[Rorywan]

How come you forgot 'Vitiligo-skin disease' in your reply? What is it with people who keep insisting he made his own skin white. His very own word at Oprah was apparently not enough, how about the ******* autopsy result that clearly stated he suffered from vitiligo.

There's even a special part about Mike there. And by the looks of it, his son apparently suffers from it too. It baffles me how some people still deny this fact...i don't know why they are so persistant. Dude was a proud black african-american, his lyrics,videos and more certainly showed that.

Well technically he did make his own skin white. It has been proven that he indeed suffered from Vitiligo but also that he used skin whiteners to even out the blotches. Vitiligo doesn't make you go white, rather creates blotches of uneven skin pigmentation. MJ decided to go white rather than black. And bleached his skin. And obviously he chose to resculpt his nose to hide his natural features. He hated his african-american nose since he was a child, because of constant taunting. Don't think Im being negative here, I'm not. I'm a fan myself. But there isn't a black or white answer to his image in the later years.

 

[Moonwalker1982]

Well technically he did make his own skin white. It has been proven that he indeed suffered from Vitiligo but also that he used skin whiteners to even out the blotches. Vitiligo doesn't make you go white, rather creates blotches of uneven skin pigmentation. MJ decided to go white rather than black. And bleached his skin. And obviously he chose to resculpt his nose to hide his natural features. He hated his african-american nose since he was a child, because of constant taunting. Don't think Im being negative here, I'm not. I'm a fan myself. But there isn't a black or white answer to his image in the later years.

Sorry but wrong...

He didn't use any whiteners, and i have no idea where you got that from. His own mother said he did undergo a operation to make the skin colour even, he didn't want to go around looking like a dalmation dog, basically. Not those exact words..but his own mother said he didn't want to go around looking like a person full of spots and what not.

Vitligo doesn't make white?

Michael didn't want to look like that. Michael indeed thought he was ugly and that's why he underwent all those surgeries, but it's not that he didnt want to be black...simply not true. Watch the Oprah interview with MJ's mother..she says it all, he underwent a surgery/operation to even his skin, cause he didn't want to look all spotty and what not. Which is very understandable.

 

[karamazov80]

LOL, I wasn't trying to get in an argument, but whatever. Some hardcore MJ fans need to grow some thicker skin, IMO.

If you think MJ didn't whiten his skin (vitiligo disease or no), then you're just being delusional. I'm curious why it is so easy for you to say that he had all that plastic surgery because he thought he was ugly, but absolutely refuse to believe that he underwent any skin whitening process due to the same hangup. No natural process is gonna make you go from this:

to this:

in the span of a small handful of years.

 

[matthijst]

They found skin bleaching cream in the room where he died....

During their search, detectives found 19 tubes of hydroquinone and 18 tubes of Benoquin, both of which are commonly used in the treatment of a skin condition Jackson had called vitiligo. The disease creates patches of de-pigmented skin, and creams can be used to lighten skin that has retained its color to give a more even appearance.

"Some people with vitiligo get to the point where there is so much of them that is pale, it makes more sense to remove the bits that are brown," said Dr. David Sawcer, assistant professor of clinical dermatology at the University of Southern California.

The discovery of medical creams in Jackson's home dovetails with an odd remark Murray reportedly made soon after Jackson's death. According to police statements obtained by the AP, Jackson's personal assistant, Michael Amir Williams, told detectives that in the hospital where Jackson was pronounced dead, Murray told him he wanted to return to Jackson's house "so that he could pick up some cream that Mr. Jackson has so that the world wouldn't find out about it."

 

[Moonwalker1982]

What is your comment on the pictures i posted then? And check google images for more examples..there was a black man on a certain taklshow awhile ago and he used to be all black, he was now completely white. He explained MJ's case as well.

Read my message carefully..he did undergo an operation, to make the skin even, i guess to remove the spots, to make it just one colour. His own mother explained it, and why dont you believe it?


I don't think i ever denied anything, i just don't believe he didn't want to be black. Mathijs's explaination makes sense. I just don't believe in the simple ' he decided to go white instead of black...' its simply not like that.

 

[Oh_No]

this has nothing to with the figure

 

[karamazov80]

This ain't the place to get into any of that, IMO. But I'll just say this and drop it--I've got my own impressions about things, and how MJ progressed further and further into weirdness as the years went on. But others can disagree, saying there was nothing wrong with the guy through the 90s and 2000s, and that's their prerogative. But I don't want a post-Thriller-era figure on my shelf, and that's all my original post was saying. No offense to any vitiligo sufferers out there. It's a crap disease, but unfortunately, MJ doing so many other things to himself--largely resulting from his self-hate due to the psychological scars left by his father--seems to support my thinking about the whole thing. You can take MJ's word, and his mom's word, and his "doctor's" words at face value if you want to, but it seemed more like a convenient explanation to me than a believable story.

 

[Moonwalker1982]

That's also true.

All i wanna say is, i don't wanna seem like a mister know it all, cause i ain't. But when people go saying stuff like 'He didn't want to be black,he decided to go white' , sorry, but they don't know what they are talking about. He himself said it numerous times in some interviews how painful that ____ for him was, when people accuse him of that. Like he hates being black and what not.

 

[Kameo Kid]

No can argue that Michael didn't love the black race. He embraced it and reveled in it. He was so proud and endearing to all the great black artists who had played the Apollo.

Michael idolized artists like James Brown and Jackie Wilson, often emulating them. That doesn't sound like a man running from who he is. Michael loved black people and most certainly being black.

Not one of us personally knew Michael, but I don't feel it's too much to say that he was never ashamed of who he was as a person.

Perhaps he wasn't happy with his nose, but that doesn't mean he was resentful towards his race. When a person (of any color) gets plastic surgery, it is to enhance or compensate for something they feel insecure about. We all have insecurities, but just cause we try to change them to make ourselves happier does not necessarily mean we are running away from who we are or where we came from.

Now, let's get back on topic. Arguing with other MJ fans is not something I wish for. We are keepers of Michael's legacy, and we should be getting along.

 

[Moonwalker1982]

No can argue that Michael didn't love the black race. He embraced it and reveled in it. He was so proud and endearing to all the great black artists who had played the Apollo.

Michael idolized artists like James Brown and Jackie Wilson, often emulating them. That doesn't sound like a man running from who he is. Michael loved black people and most certainly being black.

Not one of us personally knew Michael, but I don't feel it's too much to say that he was never ashamed of who he was as a person.

Perhaps he wasn't happy with his nose, but that doesn't mean he was resentful towards his race. When a person (of any color) gets plastic surgery, it is to enhance or compensate for something they feel insecure about. We all have insecurities, but just cause we try to change them to make ourselves happier does not necessarily mean we are running away from who we are or where we came from.

Now, let's get back on topic. Arguing with other MJ fans is not something I wish for. We are keepers of Michael's legacy, and we should be getting along.

Oh how i agree with that. Unfortunetely on MJJC (the forum) alot of arguiing happened between fans. Believers and non believers of three certain tracks on the new album. It's because of those three tracks and the lies that i decided to not buy the album. But the arguing wasnt any fun, alotta people actually resorted to namecalliing and worse.

 

[Rorywan]

I bought it, but its a very odd thing.
Those 3 tracks are definitely not MJ.

If it had just been a demo or unreleased track compilation it would have been good. As it is, it feels kinda creepy.

 

[Cheungkinmen]

Oh how i agree with that. Unfortunetely on MJJC (the forum) alot of arguiing happened between fans. Believers and non believers of three certain tracks on the new album. It's because of those three tracks and the lies that i decided to not buy the album. But the arguing wasnt any fun, alotta people actually resorted to namecalliing and worse.

Sorry to keep de-railing this topic a bit further, but what 3 tracks are you talking about ? what happened ? I'm out of the loop here.

I want my Beat it MJ now!

 

[Gruff Old Bear]

De mortuis nil nisi bonum.

 

[Oh_No]

De mortuis nil nisi bonum.

 

[PacMan3000]

Not to derail the thread even further, but this is a somewhat interesting convo.

I had always thought that some people out there who felt MJ didn't appreciate or embrace his blackness thought that way not because he started turning white, but because he did things like get a cleft chin, marry Lisa Marie Presley, and have (by strictly surface, physical appearances) three white children.

And as for the new album, I think two of the songs, especially "Breaking News" sound a bit "off" at times. But I hear Michael Jackson in them. And Teddy Riley claims he had to do something to voice/audio to sync up the vocals to the music, which is why it sounds off.

I think "Keep Your Head Up" is another track people say isn't him, but when I hear it, I completely hear Michael Jackson.

I think overall, it's a pretty solid album (considering the man never signed off on it), with a couple really good tracks.

 

[Moonwalker1982]

I'm talking about the Cascio recordings, which i know for myself aren't MJ in any way...it's so crystal clear.

Breaking News
Keep your head up
Monster


When you hear the new cd as a whole, these three tracks stand out like a sore thumb. Especially when the singer starts using the high pitch, you can clearly hear it's not Michael. If anything...it's Jason Malachi. Look it up on Youtube, and search for Let me let go. Then tell me it doesn't sound exactly like the voice on Monster.

Teddy Riley and others claim the voice sounds so off because it was recorded in a basement studio...yet, we CLEARLY hear Michael at the start of 'The way you love me' when he sings it into the telephone. So this whole basement studio thing doesn't mean a thing. The vibrato is another dead giveaway, this singer has a horrible sheepish vibrato. The way the singer says words, these are all giveaway. When i heard Breaking News, and heard the singer say 'Everybody's watching the news on Michael Jackson' i knew something was very off. Never ever did he sing his own name in a song..this sounded so ******* weird.

Plenty of other give aways. Monster is laughable for me, especially during the 'Toooo bad' parts, horrible song too. Horrible impersonator, horrible songs. I absolutely can't believe it how some true fans are actually believing in the songs...way i see it, they just want to believe it's really him. Listen to every single song of Michael, never any doubts. But these three songs come out and for the first time it's nessecary to analyze the songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqFGW6wEIrs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCAtVkDk2eo

 

[PacMan3000]

The second video wouldn't work for me, but I've heard of this guy before.

If hard evidence came to light, I'd definitely believe it. Wouldn't be a point of ignoring it. A couple tracks do sound off at times, I just tend to believe a guy (Riley) who has worked with Michael Jackson since the early 90s over Internet conspiracy theories. Hell, dude has been on Twitter for the past month answering angry tweets from MJ fans.

 

[matthijst]

I hope they will release mj's from the 70's, 90's and 2000 as well... So in the end there will be 9 or 10 mj figures displaying his whole career... Hell, they could even make a kid version