Hot Toys - MMS 100 - Terminator Salvation - Marcus Wright- spec + hi-res pics

[The Entity]

He looks really great with this gun!!! And a great set-up too, with the two T-800s as back-up!!!

 

[SilentSurfer]

There was this, apparently used at an exhibition of the movie's make up department-

That was the pic I took at International Make-up Artist Trade Show (IMATS) in Pasadena. It was on display where some artists from the movie were demonstrating the application of Marcus's make-up on some guy there (it took hours).

I'm not sure if I'm reading this right. You're saying that all Terminator endos are T-800s? Even the ones known by the rest of us as T-700s and T-600s? Despite all canonical statements to the contrary? ("The 600 series had rubber skin. They were easy to spot. But these are new...")

No, you totally read that backwards. T-800 is the series number for all the cyborgs, the Terminators that use 'real' flesh as camouflage. When I said regardless of Endo, I meant that not all cyborgs had to be the Arnold Endo. Marcus uses a smaller Endo, but real fleash, so to me he is still an 800 series Terminator.

T-800 stands for the type of Endoskeleton the Terminator is assembled as. As for skin model number they use a different code such as CSM-101 (Cyberdyne Systems Model 101) which is the Arnie skin. But the endoskeleton is still a T-800.

Negative. The overall disguise, ie, buff Arnold, or leaner Marcuse (for sake of argument) is the model #, and that model # is the combination of a certain Endo and certain flesh to create that model's overall appearance. Arnold was the first Terminator model because Cyberdyne had the remains of his Endo, so he is 101. Franco Columbo was an 800 series cyborg, but he looked different from Arnold, yet was as big, so he may have been like Model 102. If Marcus had been in the movie he could have been something like Model 123, or 201, or something.

The Model number refers to outward appearance,ie, Arnold is Model 101, while Series number is determined by camouflage used, ie, 600 = Rubber Skin, and 800 = Cybrog ('real' skin).

 

[A.L.I.E.N]

That was the pic I took at International Make-up Artist Trade Show (IMATS) in Pasadena. It was on display where some artists from the movie were demonstrating the application of Marcus's make-up on some guy there (it took hours).



No, you totally read that backwards. T-800 is the series number for all the cyborgs, the Terminators that use 'real' flesh as camouflage. When I said regardless of Endo, I meant that not all cyborgs had to be the Arnold Endo. Marcus uses a smaller Endo, but real flesh, so to me he is still an 800 series Terminator.



Negative. The overall disguise, ie, buff Arnold, or leaner Marcuse (for sake of argument) is the model #, and that model # is the combination of a certain Endo and certain flesh to create that model's overall appearance. Arnold was the first Terminator model because Cyberdyne had the remains of his Endo, so he is 101. Franco Columbo was an 800 series cyborg, but he looked different from Arnold, yet was as big, so he may have been like Model 102. If Marcus had been in the movie he could have been something like Model 123, or 201, or something.

The Model number refers to outward appearance,ie, Arnold is Model 101, while Series number is determined by camouflage used, ie, 600 = Rubber Skin, and 800 = Cybrog ('real' skin).

For a Terminator nerd like me, easy to digest

Basically: Arnie for example. T-800 is the machine, the metal, the endo.

T-101 is the skin covering, the glove over the hand, the flesh covering over the machine. With the skin covering there are at least 100 other variations of skin. The resistance would spot Terminators easy if the same Austrian body builder kept appearing on the horizon So Skynet devised many other variations, such as height, build and race, for maximum infiltration. So T-101 isn't some ancient Terminator it is just the skin covering serial number. Like peugeot 106, 206 ect.....

 

[MaulFan]

My Marcus has arrived. What and impressive figure, totally surprised with the face paint apps. I wasn't expecting him to look dirty like Connor based on the photos I've seen, but he is, every bit the weathered looking guy that Connor is, just great detail and touches from HT on this line.

 

[SilentSurfer]

Basically: Arnie for example. T-800 is the machine, the metal, the endo.

All right, forget about T:S and keep up with me here. McG's Terminator reality is not compatible with Cameron's original Terminator reality, therefore none of McG's concepts apply.

I would argue further to say that the Endos would be the same for the 600 series as they would be for the 800 series. IN '84, Kyle Reese first described the Terminator machine to Sarah, and then he made the distinction between 600s having rubber skin, and the 'new' 800s being Cybrogs. The machine is the machine. The series # is the camoflauge. If the same Terminator had shown up in '84 with rubber skin, it would have been a 600 instead of an 800. Follow?

Cyberdyne had the remains of the 101 Endoskeleton, so their was no learning curve, or trial and error for designing Terminators. Cyberdyne nor Skynet would have to develope their way through McGs 600 configuration to get to the 101 stage. And when I say '101', I'm not suggesting that there were 100 other models before it. What I mean is like saying Biology 101; it's the beginning, not the one hundred and first. The thing that Skynet achieved over Cyberdyne was just to give the Terminators cyborg flesh.

I think it's totally plausible that Cyberdyne may have even had a rubber skin version of the Model 101 (therefore a 600 series Terminator) already at least in prototype stages for military use as infiltrators. Whether it went into production before the war or not (I imagine not) is debatable. However, after the bombs had dropped, and all the unmanned military craft were out of ammo and fuel, Skynet would have had to dig around for new weapons to use in exterminating mankind. That would be when Skynet would transfer its own AI into the 600 series Terminator Model 101 Endo (finally giving it what it needed to function autonomously), and develope more versions of the 600 series. The rubber skin would prove more effective than McG's bull^^^^, but not effective enough, forcing Skynet to advance the Terminator design to the 800 series (camoflauge enhancement only: remember it's the final incarnation of a Terminator that becomes the innitial Terminator design) that would employ totally authentic human flesh, making the 600 series Terminator machine now an 800 series cyborg.

Endos = Endos. 600s = Rubber skin. 800s = Cyborgs. Models = Likeness/Disguise: Rubber Skins and Cyborgs.

 

[LipSmack]

All right, forget about T:S and keep up with me here. McG's Terminator reality is not compatible with Cameron's original Terminator reality, therefore none of McG's concepts apply.

I would argue further to say that the Endos would be the same for the 600 series as they would be for the 800 series. IN '84, Kyle Reese first described the Terminator machine to Sarah, and then he made the distinction between 600s having rubber skin, and the 'new' 800s being Cybrogs. The machine is the machine. The series # is the camoflauge. If the same Terminator had shown up in '84 with rubber skin, it would have been a 600 instead of an 800. Follow?

Cyberdyne had the remains of the 101 Endoskeleton, so their was no learning curve, or trial and error for designing Terminators. Cyberdyne nor Skynet would have to develope their way through McGs 600 configuration to get to the 101 stage. And when I say '101', I'm not suggesting that there were 100 other models before it. What I mean is like saying Biology 101; it's the beginning, not the one hundred and first. The thing that Skynet achieved over Cyberdyne was just to give the Terminators cyborg flesh.

I think it's totally plausible that Cyberdyne may have even had a rubber skin version of the Model 101 (therefore a 600 series Terminator) already at least in prototype stages for military use as infiltrators. Whether it went into production before the war or not (I imagine not) is debatable. However, after the bombs had dropped, and all the unmanned military craft were out of ammo and fuel, Skynet would have had to dig around for new weapons to use in exterminating mankind. That would be when Skynet would transfer its own AI into the 600 series Terminator Model 101 Endo (finally giving it what it needed to function autonomously), and develope more versions of the 600 series. The rubber skin would prove more effective than McG's bull^^^^, but not effective enough, forcing Skynet to advance the Terminator design to the 800 series (camoflauge enhancement only: remember it's the final incarnation of a Terminator that becomes the innitial Terminator design) that would employ totally authentic human flesh, making the 600 series Terminator machine now an 800 series cyborg.

Endos = Endos. 600s = Rubber skin. 800s = Cyborgs. Models = Likeness/Disguise: Rubber Skins and Cyborgs.

i know what you mean, and how i play it off is that things in the timeline are always changing slightly with small tweaks and changes. so to the original kyle thats what 600's were, but in the new ver. of the timeline things are different, thats all

 

[SilentSurfer]

But Kyle is supposed to have come from a point even further ahead in the timeline which was the innevitable result of the events of '84. The fact that we are forced to accept tweaks and changes is only because we are forced to justify things that otherwise don't add up in sequels written by people who wanted to put their own thing into the story with no regard for the Terminator Bible set up in '84. Not even Cameron obeyed the mythos of his original movie completely, otherwise they would/could not have prevented/postponed Judgment Day.

 

[Valfar]

T-800 stands for the type of Endoskeleton the Terminator is assembled as. As for skin model number they use a different code such as CSM-101 (Cyberdyne Systems Model 101) which is the Arnie skin. But the endoskeleton is still a T-800.

Yup!..exactly!.

I can't wait to see MaulFans pics of this figure.

 

[LipSmack]

But Kyle is supposed to have come from a point even further ahead in the timeline which was the innevitable result of the events of '84. The fact that we are forced to accept tweaks and changes is only because we are forced to justify things that otherwise don't add up in sequels written by people who wanted to put their own thing into the story with no regard for the Terminator Bible set up in '84. Not even Cameron obeyed the mythos of his original movie completely, otherwise they would/could not have prevented/postponed Judgment Day.

yeah but whos to say the 84 timeline was the same the first time, the terminator franchise to me is a core story which has different ways of occurring, its a constant loop, but not a perfect circle, thats just how i think about it, but i dont disagree with your points either.

 

[FACEBOX]

All right, forget about T:S and keep up with me here. McG's Terminator reality is not compatible with Cameron's original Terminator reality, therefore none of McG's concepts apply.

I would argue further to say that the Endos would be the same for the 600 series as they would be for the 800 series. IN '84, Kyle Reese first described the Terminator machine to Sarah, and then he made the distinction between 600s having rubber skin, and the 'new' 800s being Cybrogs. The machine is the machine. The series # is the camoflauge. If the same Terminator had shown up in '84 with rubber skin, it would have been a 600 instead of an 800. Follow?

Cyberdyne had the remains of the 101 Endoskeleton, so their was no learning curve, or trial and error for designing Terminators. Cyberdyne nor Skynet would have to develope their way through McGs 600 configuration to get to the 101 stage. And when I say '101', I'm not suggesting that there were 100 other models before it. What I mean is like saying Biology 101; it's the beginning, not the one hundred and first. The thing that Skynet achieved over Cyberdyne was just to give the Terminators cyborg flesh.

I think it's totally plausible that Cyberdyne may have even had a rubber skin version of the Model 101 (therefore a 600 series Terminator) already at least in prototype stages for military use as infiltrators. Whether it went into production before the war or not (I imagine not) is debatable. However, after the bombs had dropped, and all the unmanned military craft were out of ammo and fuel, Skynet would have had to dig around for new weapons to use in exterminating mankind. That would be when Skynet would transfer its own AI into the 600 series Terminator Model 101 Endo (finally giving it what it needed to function autonomously), and develope more versions of the 600 series. The rubber skin would prove more effective than McG's bull^^^^, but not effective enough, forcing Skynet to advance the Terminator design to the 800 series (camoflauge enhancement only: remember it's the final incarnation of a Terminator that becomes the innitial Terminator design) that would employ totally authentic human flesh, making the 600 series Terminator machine now an 800 series cyborg.

Endos = Endos. 600s = Rubber skin. 800s = Cyborgs. Models = Likeness/Disguise: Rubber Skins and Cyborgs.

I see what you're saying.
That basically the "flesh disguise" designated the number in the series.
Never thought if it that way before.

I like to think that the number (ex 600, 700, 800) is a completely different Endo design, and the model number (101) equates to the "flesh disguise". However, I don't think that they are nesisarraly successors to one another. Why can't the "older" versions still be in production? They'd simply have a different function.

Here's my example: T-600 are designed to lure humans in close enough to exterminate them (SkyNet was using the T-600 as bait). T-700 are the foot-soldiers, designed for basic attack and defense. Finally, the T-800 series are designed to infiltrate the human hive and terminate from within. Basically built to take out main/ high ranking targets where it would otherwise be impossible to penetrate.

That's how I like to think of it.
The reason why the T-800 are thought as being new is because it takes time to create the living tissue for the T-800, where as it's easier to make rubber skin for the 600's. In addition, as SkyNet learns more of its enemy, it upgrades the systems used to run the T-800's. Also, causing another delay in releasing the 800 series.

Lastly, it seems like SkyNet always field tests a prototype before the release of a new series.
This was clear in T2 (T-1000), and again in Salvation (T-RIP & Marcus).

 

[MaulFan]

 

[Valfar]

Yup, as always..awesome pics MaulFan!..Sixth pic down where he is checking out his F'ed up arm, my favorite of the lot.

Funny, i read that the trenchcoat Marcus wore in the movie was a bash of two jackets(top and bottom) and some added suede and cuffs were added to the sleeves as well.

 

[plasmid303]

Cool pics, MaulFan, and good job hiding the long neck in those coatless shots.

 

[Valfar]

Yea, you just pull the t-shirt up a tad and it looks much better..i did not bother putting the knife in the sheath as it kind of sticks out too much with the figure displayed wearing his trench so, i just stuck it in the left boot cover...and to be honest, i can't remember if Marcus even sheathed his knife at all throughout the movie, i will have to pop the movie(pirated retail DVD version) in later and check it again.

 

[MaulFan]

I don't find the knife sheathed to be an issue with the trenchcoat. One thing I did do was cut the small string tying down the collar, it looks kinda stupid to me, at least where Hot Toys stictched mine anyway, can make the collar look much better now.

As for the neck, I don't think it's too long, just a fundamental flaw with most base bodies, because of the neck articulation, the shoulders are usually flat instead of a proper slope from the trapezius at the back of the neck down to the shoulders, so figures with just a t-shirt like Marcus will always look a bit goofy, though if you want that look for permanent, you can always come up with soft padding that'll fill it out properly but still allow articulation.

 

[Valfar]

You are right about the neck, its really not long if you compare it to most humans anyway..I can't decide which figure i like more..Marcus or Connor, these figures are just amazing and now seeing the pics of Blade..man, Hot Toys get all my extra money from now on.

 

[MaulFan]

Both have their fine points, I don't think either one really outweighs the other.

More than ever though, I don't see myself not using the blue coat, the quality of the cloth, the way it lays, very unique, very cool, the leather coat is too common and not that neat really, nice that they included it but the blue coat is just a sharper look for the figure.

I just can't get over the paint apps, the subtle and realistic depiction of dirt on their faces is just unreal, Hot Toys really has some amazing factory talent to achieve this level of quality on a production piece. I'm eager to see DX Joker in person since so much detail work on Marcus hadn't translated in photos. It's actually really hard and tricky to get photos to show the dirt, I don't know what it is, but the human eye can distinguish it but a photo of the figure under the same lighting conditions doesn't, you have to stage certain lighting to try and get it. It's really breathtaking in person. If Hot Toys ever gets around to a Rambo figure, I'd love to see a BD sculpt with dirtying like this, it'd be amazing I'm sure.

 

[Valfar]

I think the clean Marcus sculpt looks to be a tad dirty mixed with a slight tan and stubble as well,there is also blemishes on the skin some what.I think now, i may consider picking up final battle Connor(though his price is a bit steep for a hydrobot i have no care for), seeing as how well these two turned out.

 

[Shaun & Ed Fan]

I just got Marcus from the UPS driver.I'm shocked that it came before 7 pm.
Great pics btw Maul Fan.Great work on your part.

 

[plasmid303]

I think the clean Marcus sculpt looks to be a tad dirty mixed with a slight tan and stubble as well,there is also blemishes on the skin some what.I think now, i may consider picking up final battle Connor(though his price is a bit steep for a hydrobot i have no care for), seeing as how well these two turned out.

It should be easy to recoup that extra cost on final battle Connor if you sell that Hydrobot on Ebay.