Re: Hot Toys – MMS 293 & 294 Batman Returns: Batman and Bruce Wayne (Keaton) Set
I appreciate your sympathy, haytil. But please don't lose any sleep over the fact that I can't and don't really want to learn how to sew. I'm okay with it.
You're missing the larger point in that respect - this is not about
you as an individual. I think it's just sadder on a broader scale that most collectors refuse to learn very basic skills, because the community as a whole loses out when the collective knowledge and talent pool is kept smaller for unnecessary reasons. But that's a broader economic argument, which is beyond the scope of our original argument.
Jesus....
You trying to refute my argument by saying it's impossible to make a high end 1/6 figure while it's possible to make a cape is again, you missing my point entirely, and again, you going off on a tangent.
No, you're the one who brought up a high end 1/6 figure and comparing it to a cape. I'm not missing your point, I'm saying your point is ridiculous, and I'm showing it by demonstrating that all your examples are ridiculous.
My point is simply: Saying a custom cape is "just fabric" is not a fair assessment of whether or not it's worth purchasing or not.
Yes it is, because the difference between the fabric and the cape is much smaller than the difference between most other products (action figures, Mona Lisas) and their component parts (plastic, paint).
Why are buyers willing to pay more for something (custom cape) when a cheaper alternative is readily available (stock cape)? The answer is simple: because the quality is better and the consumer is paying not just for materials (fabric), but also the services/skills rendered that are required to make it a quality product.
...AND because they don't really realize that in this case (specifically, capes), the service/skills rendered aren't actually that difficult, and can easily be picked up by the buyer in the first place. Because they've over-valued that service/skill in this case, and under-valued their own potential.
Yeah, I trust that you could probably cut a cape out of a piece of fabric. But I don't trust you that it'd be worth a damn.
Exactly, this is what I'm saying. You don't trust that you could do a decent job at it, but I'm saying that you're probably wrong.
And your assumption that it's a relatively easy task is also pretty demeaning to people who actually have sewing/tailoring skills and know how.
Uh, no it it's not. First, it's not an assumption (you're assuming I don't know what I'm talking about), and secondly, it's not demeaning. I haven't demeaned anyone. By way of example - I think making and cooking a good burger is relatively easy to learn and do. But saying that isn't demeaning to anyone (either basic burger flippers or high-end chefs).
By your logic, you should stop buying clothes and sew yourself an entire wardrobe, because you know better than to pay for something that clothing companies have "mythologized" to be too difficult for consumers to do for themselves.
No, that's not my logic, and that's why I think you're missing my point - you're suggesting my argument implies really ridiculous statements. Basically, a straw man. I would never say such a thing, because the difference between the fabric and the wardrobe is quite significant (unlike the difference between the fabric and the cape). So a relevant example: I would suggest that most people should try making their own capes, but that doesn't mean I think most people should try sewing their own 1/6 scale suits.
Trust me haytil, clothes may be a little more complex to make than capes, but it's definitely possible and should not be that difficult for someone like you who knows better.
Me? I'm an ignorant ****, so I guess I'll just keep buying my clothes...
I don't know you very well, man. And I'm not sure if you're just trolling me or if you're actually serious and this is how you normally act. If it's the former, congratulations, you've gotten under my skin. If it's the latter, well, I'm actually saddened for you.
You either don't understand my argument or you disagree with it, but there's no reason to be a **** about it or take any of this personally.
