Hot Toys - MMS DX 01- The Dark Knight - The Joker spec and pics

[Calcifer]

Doesn't the DX have stripes on the back of the vest though? Mine does.

The stripes on the back of this vest seem non-existent as far as I can tell.

He has since added the stripes
The vest on the first page of his thread is not the final product.

I won't post the picture here out of respect to this thread

Check it out here
https://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83995&page=48

 

[DiFabio]

Yep, I caught that Calcifer, it looks outstanding. I saw the side by side comparison pic of this version and the DX vest, and needless to say, it blows the DX version away. There really isn't a comparison. The DX looks like ____ compared to that thing. I'm not just talking fit either, the tailoring is nicer, as well as the color.

However, $130 is simply outrageous and the Hot Toys clothes ARE mass produced. Other than the blazer, orange lining and socks there isn't much more Hot Toys or any other 1/6 toy company could do with a budget and mass production into to rival what Hot Toys produced. In my head I'm taking in the cost for the material, putting it together, etc. and I just don't see $130 dollars there and that's not even taking into account shipping AND customs.

Still, that isn't as bad as the $200-$250 purple coat. I don't care how much craftsmanship or work goes into it, that is a 1/6 coat. There are some intricate, nicely made 1:1 with actual functionality that costs less than that sucker. There's absolutely no way that is justifiable. Sideshow, Enterbay, Medicom and Hot Toys put together WHOLE figures with bodies, headsculpts, clothes and accessories for much less, all while paying contracts, licensing, employee payment, production, etc.

No frigging way.

But hold the tomatoes. This is ME, I'm talking about. Just an opinion and thoughts on the pieces. Obviously those that paid are content and that's all that really matters (YOUR money, YOUR product). I may not get it but who the hell am I?

With that said, judging by the pics, it appears that these are indeed the BEST 1/6 clothes out there, and that's saying something. But that price is just whacked. Still not as nuts as a $1,000 head though.

 

[karamazov80]

There are some intricate, nicely made 1:1 with actual functionality that costs less than that sucker.

I doubt very seriously that my entire wardrobe (maybe minus my one suit) cost as much as one shelf's worth of toys on my Detolf.

 

[Maglor]

Once the outfit is done and on my figure, ill be sure to post a side by side with the dx outfit and let it speak for itself

 

[haytil]

I'm not getting the vest, but the buttons seem fine to me for that scale it is. Not sure what the problem is with them, the buttons on the DX vest are bit over sized and Kato's buttons look like a closer scale. I'd give up button detail to have them the right size.

Wasn't talking about the size of the buttons, but the shape.

In the movie, the buttons were unique. One was a flower with a smiley face. Another was a coin. It was a cool little quirk, which plays into the Joker as a chaotic clown.

 

[Calcifer]

Yep, I caught that Calcifer, it looks outstanding. I saw the side by side comparison pic of this version and the DX vest, and needless to say, it blows the DX version away. There really isn't a comparison. The DX looks like ____ compared to that thing. I'm not just talking fit either, the tailoring is nicer, as well as the color.

However, $130 is simply outrageous and the Hot Toys clothes ARE mass produced. Other than the blazer, orange lining and socks there isn't much more Hot Toys or any other 1/6 toy company could do with a budget and mass production into to rival what Hot Toys produced. In my head I'm taking in the cost for the material, putting it together, etc. and I just don't see $130 dollars there and that's not even taking into account shipping AND customs.

Still, that isn't as bad as the $200-$250 purple coat. I don't care how much craftsmanship or work goes into it, that is a 1/6 coat. There are some intricate, nicely made 1:1 with actual functionality that costs less than that sucker. There's absolutely no way that is justifiable. Sideshow, Enterbay, Medicom and Hot Toys put together WHOLE figures with bodies, headsculpts, clothes and accessories for much less, all while paying contracts, licensing, employee payment, production, etc.

No frigging way.

But hold the tomatoes. This is ME, I'm talking about. Just an opinion and thoughts on the pieces. Obviously those that paid are content and that's all that really matters (YOUR money, YOUR product). I may not get it but who the hell am I?

With that said, judging by the pics, it appears that these are indeed the BEST 1/6 clothes out there, and that's saying something. But that price is just whacked. Still not as nuts as a $1,000 head though.

Much respect for you dude after reading this post

I know i'm spending a fortune on this set, but i will feel good once i have it in my collection and i have of a true 1/6 grail figure, this thing will never loose it's value,so someone can't ever say that i have waisted my money...i could always sell this later in life if i wanted and get back what i spent to have it in the first place.

 

[alpha826]

Wasn't talking about the size of the buttons, but the shape.

In the movie, the buttons were unique. One was a flower with a smiley face. Another was a coin. It was a cool little quirk, which plays into the Joker as a chaotic clown.

i always thought those were just replacement buttons they put on the 'travelling show' suit. the buttons in the movie are just regular buttons.

 

[DiFabio]

After the Interrogation scene, The Joker gets the buttons haytil describes. So he did have them. One was like a yellow sunflower with a face another was a small coin.

That pic is before the interrogation, so naturally he has them but in the boat scene with mob money and Prewitt face off scene he has the unique custom buttons.

 

[Calcifer]

After the Interrogation scene, The Joker gets the buttons haytil describes. So he did have them. One was like a yellow sunflower with a face another was a small coin.

That pic is before the interrogation, so naturally he has them but in the boat scene with mob money and Prewitt face off scene he has the unique custom buttons.

Yes..and to expect kato to put those on his suit would be silly as it would not be in his ability to do so, he is just a tailor at the end of the day and that's where his skill lies.

 

[Devil_666]

I saw the side by side comparison pic of this version and the DX vest, and needless to say, it blows the DX version away.

I agree but just to be clear: That's not the DX vest in the pics from Kato, it's the v.1 vest.

Wasn't talking about the size of the buttons, but the shape.

I was about to agree with you until I read more. Like Alpha and DiFabio pointed out, those fruity buttons don't appear on Joker's vest until after the interrogation scene. So plain green buttons are 100% screen accurate and there's numerous reference shots to back that up.

Now back to why I was originally going to agree with you: The buttons on Kato's vest are STILL wrong. They look more like M&M's as opposed to the buttons on the real vest. And it's not a matter of the scale either since both the v.1 AND DX vests were able to replicate those buttons accurately. It looks like Kato's buttons have no thread going through them!? Not sure if that's just the pics or what but either way it looks wonky. And since Kato has already posted up a pic with numerous finished vests it doesn't look like he plans on changing that.

 

[monkeyrobotmaster]

Wasn't talking about the size of the buttons, but the shape.

In the movie, the buttons were unique. One was a flower with a smiley face. Another was a coin. It was a cool little quirk, which plays into the Joker as a chaotic clown.

I don't think so bud, I've watched the film a ton of times and every still from the film I've seen the buttons are just green plain old buttons. Not sure where you saw that, but it's news to me.

 

[Maglor]

Yep, I caught that Calcifer, it looks outstanding. I saw the side by side comparison pic of this version and the DX vest, and needless to say, it blows the DX version away. There really isn't a comparison. The DX looks like ____ compared to that thing. I'm not just talking fit either, the tailoring is nicer, as well as the color.

However, $130 is simply outrageous and the Hot Toys clothes ARE mass produced. Other than the blazer, orange lining and socks there isn't much more Hot Toys or any other 1/6 toy company could do with a budget and mass production into to rival what Hot Toys produced. In my head I'm taking in the cost for the material, putting it together, etc. and I just don't see $130 dollars there and that's not even taking into account shipping AND customs.

Still, that isn't as bad as the $200-$250 purple coat. I don't care how much craftsmanship or work goes into it, that is a 1/6 coat. There are some intricate, nicely made 1:1 with actual functionality that costs less than that sucker. There's absolutely no way that is justifiable. Sideshow, Enterbay, Medicom and Hot Toys put together WHOLE figures with bodies, headsculpts, clothes and accessories for much less, all while paying contracts, licensing, employee payment, production, etc.

No frigging way.

But hold the tomatoes. This is ME, I'm talking about. Just an opinion and thoughts on the pieces. Obviously those that paid are content and that's all that really matters (YOUR money, YOUR product). I may not get it but who the hell am I?

With that said, judging by the pics, it appears that these are indeed the BEST 1/6 clothes out there, and that's saying something. But that price is just whacked. Still not as nuts as a $1,000 head though.

Gonna give you credit here DF.

I'm impressed that you shared your opinion in such a respectful way. Thanks for that.



As to what the clothes are worth: I don't know enough about it to be a really good judge, but I have a feeling that tailoring at this scale is much more difficult than 1:1 tailoring. It's very specialized, and Kato is in a position to charge a premium for it. I, for one, am not at all shocked by the price. And can totally understand why someone would pay a premium price for the absolute best.


If I had more money than I knew what to do with, I wouldn't hesitate to buy it. And I would have bought the BobbyC head too.

As it is, I have limited sums and my collection is not just focused on Batman.

 

[DiFabio]

I don't think so bud, I've watched the film a ton of times and every still from the film I've seen the buttons are just green plain old buttons. Not sure where you saw that, but it's news to me.

After the Interrogation scene he has custom buttons. The exact ones haytil described yellow/blue flower face and small coin. I'd pull out a screencap but this Joker analysis/costume scrutiny stuff has been done to death. Ad nauseam, ad nauseam, ad nauseam.

I'm not even quite sure what is accurate anymore.

 

[monkeyrobotmaster]

I did find a couple shots were I could see them, just hadn't noticed them before since he's only got them on the vest for the last 10 min. he's in the film.

It's all interpretive since everyone sees things a little different I feel.

 

[Calcifer]

The buttons on Kato's vest are STILL wrong. They look more like M&M's as opposed to the buttons on the real vest.

..but i love M&M's

 

[EdwardNashton1]

Yep, I caught that Calcifer, it looks outstanding. I saw the side by side comparison pic of this version and the DX vest, and needless to say, it blows the DX version away. There really isn't a comparison. The DX looks like ____ compared to that thing. I'm not just talking fit either, the tailoring is nicer, as well as the color.

However, $130 is simply outrageous and the Hot Toys clothes ARE mass produced. Other than the blazer, orange lining and socks there isn't much more Hot Toys or any other 1/6 toy company could do with a budget and mass production into to rival what Hot Toys produced. In my head I'm taking in the cost for the material, putting it together, etc. and I just don't see $130 dollars there and that's not even taking into account shipping AND customs.

Still, that isn't as bad as the $200-$250 purple coat. I don't care how much craftsmanship or work goes into it, that is a 1/6 coat. There are some intricate, nicely made 1:1 with actual functionality that costs less than that sucker. There's absolutely no way that is justifiable. Sideshow, Enterbay, Medicom and Hot Toys put together WHOLE figures with bodies, headsculpts, clothes and accessories for much less, all while paying contracts, licensing, employee payment, production, etc.

No frigging way.

But hold the tomatoes. This is ME, I'm talking about. Just an opinion and thoughts on the pieces. Obviously those that paid are content and that's all that really matters (YOUR money, YOUR product). I may not get it but who the hell am I?

With that said, judging by the pics, it appears that these are indeed the BEST 1/6 clothes out there, and that's saying something. But that price is just whacked. Still not as nuts as a $1,000 head though.

I agree with everything.

 

[haytil]

I don't think so bud, I've watched the film a ton of times and every still from the film I've seen the buttons are just green plain old buttons. Not sure where you saw that, but it's news to me.

From the pic above, you can see he did have normal buttons at one point. But I've also seen pics with the quirky buttons. As others have said, the buttons on his vest must have changed - I didn't realize that.

I know i'm spending a fortune on this set, but i will feel good once i have it in my collection and i have of a true 1/6 grail figure, this thing will never loose it's value,so someone can't ever say that i have waisted my money...i could always sell this later in life if i wanted and get back what i spent to have it in the first place.

Just a word of warning - that's not something that's necessarily true, especially in this case. I've really followed the prices of these high end Batman-related figures, both official/mass produced and custom, for a few years now, and it's given me some insights. Let me explain.

Official figures, and especially Hot Toys figures, tend to increase in value over time (usually relatively rapidly). That tends to be the rule, rather than the exception. But custom figures and accessories don't follow that trend nearly as frequently - especially the more expensive ones. The demand for custom pieces is so much smaller - and also the supply is small enough that most who would demand it have since learned to accept the mass-produced items, so they don't contribute to demand. Both of these factors work against the item's price in the future.

So chances are, if you change your mind later, that you won't be able to make your money back (much less turn a profit). You'd probably be able to find a buyer, somewhere, but not at 100% of the price you sold it for - and again, this becomes more and more true as the price of the custom item increases.

There is also lots of anecdotal evidence for this. I think the BobbyC Joker sculpt is the latest example of this. One of the few owners of this very expensive item seems to be having a bit of trouble selling his, even at 15% cheaper than the price he paid for it.

I'm not saying that if you decide to sell it later, you won't be able to get all your money back. You might very well be able to - but please don't count on it happening, since the reliability of that is far less than that of normal figures.

I'm also not saying you should or should not get these items based on these facts. But I know that I often choose to buy a figure even if I'm not sure if I want it - because I know I'll probably be able to sell it at cost (if not for more) later, so it makes sense to err on the side of caution.

If this line of thinking is important to you when considering whether or not to make a purchase, and if the potential to recoup your investment is an important factor in your decision-making process, then it's important to realize that this logic doesn't hold up when discussing custom works like this.

Just make sure you know that you'll be happy in the long run, whatever you choose!

 

[EdwardNashton1]

..but i love M&M's

not $200 ones.

 

[intothevoid]

not $200 ones.

The vest is $130, just so we're clear.

And Difab - good post and I respect your opinion on the matter

 

[Devil_666]

..but i love M&M's