I don't get how people think that Kylo is going to be redeemed. We already saw his redemption point and he chose the dark side.
Agree. People focus to much on the parallels (and there are many) and forget the tangents.
I don't get how people think that Kylo is going to be redeemed. We already saw his redemption point and he chose the dark side.
I don't disagree with these sentiments, its just a fun thought experiment for the most part, though it would be the twist of all twists given the foundation with which we were presented in TFA....
That said, I think it would be a GREAT idea for the story if we witness a moment when Rey is truly "at risk" for falling and we see Luke's incredible personal anguish at that moment when he believes it could happen.
I disagree with the people who somehow feel it would be a cop-out to make him turn good in the end.
It might happen, or it might not, but we will all have to wait and see.
The greatest heroes are those that stumbled on the road to greatness.
I personally can't imagine a way he could be redeemed, but then again i am not a screenwriter.
It could be done.
Or they might go the other way.
I think it's a worse way to go to have Rey kill Ren. That brings her down to his level.
If Ren turns in the last furlong, committing a selfless act, his hands can be metaphorically cleaned.
I think Ren will die in his redemption, possibly saving Rey
That's as good a way as any other.
A bad guy who remains a bad guy till the end is just mindless(And is always the *true villain*).
Ren was born from good people, and turned bad. We saw how conflicted he was. That might go away for a bit, but it must come back or he would become a two dimensional character.
I just remembered Han might be dead, but someone else is alive. Maybe in the final climatic scene in the final episode Snoke gives Ren a choice " kill your mother or kill the Jedi Rey or Luke" and Han comes into a ghostly form and says " You have to do what's right son.. We will always love you " and Ren attacks Snoke instead and they both die.
I'm sure every SW fan will ship this outcome
Ren murdered his iconic hero father in cold blood. No amount of screenwriting will undo that.
Even Vader remained a genocidal murderer who happened to kill his evil master. Remorse or one act doesn't undo murder.
Rey looked both angry and aggressive, and ready to kill Kylo at the end. I think it's a given that she'll struggle with the Dark Side.
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Okay then. I guess if you don’t consider Vader redeemed at the end of ROTJ, you’ll be fine.
Ren murdered his iconic hero father in cold blood. No amount of screenwriting will undo that.
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Okay then. I guess if you don’t consider Vader redeemed at the end of ROTJ, you’ll be fine.
They killed Han Solo. I'll never be fine again.
Kidding/not kidding.
(OW right in the CHILDHOOD!). [emoji53]
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As crazy as it sounds, I think Han forgave Kylo in a way with the touching of the Ren's face before he fell to death. He might have been saying he failed as a father, so he understood how Ren was conflicted. Might have been shocked that his son killed him, but he understood.
Personally, I think it would be more fitting for Kylo to sacrifice himself for a group of several people, one that includes his mother, as opposed to sacrificing himself for Rey alone.
While he succumbed to the Dark Side and opted to kill one of his parents in TFA, he has the chance to save the other in the final act of Episode IX, along with an entire group (a planet for instance) which to me would kind of make up for, "Kill them all." Basically like a Spock-esque death from TWoK.
I also think it would be fitting if Kylo never encounters Leia face to face to do this act, but she feels through The Force that she and the rest of the group she is with was saved because of Kylo's actions, thus realizing that he came back to the light; similar to the way she felt through The Force that Han had just been killed.
It would make it almost bittersweet for her. Sad that her son is now also dead, but happy that he found peace and redeemed himself.
Kylo is going to be your hero...
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