Hot Toys - MMS157- Sucker Punch: Babydoll

[VintijDroidGutzz]

Queen...

It's fine if you don't like them.. but dissing one of the greatest rock bands of all time speaks volumes, sorry.

 

[devilof76]

I dissed them? I'm pretty sure I just expressed my distaste.

If I think the Sucker Punch soundtrack was better music than Highlander's, I get to say so, right?

Is there inherent disrespect in that?

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

I dissed them? I'm pretty sure I just expressed my distaste.

If I think the Sucker Punch soundtrack was better music than Highlander's, I get to say so, right?

Is there inherent disrespect in that?

No, of course not, but your choice of emoticon doesn't imply that.

If I've misunderstood you.. fair enough.

 

[devilof76]

I've always gone out of my way not to rip on Queen here, but I can't stand them. Not even a little.

 

[spindrift]

Arguing about a film if it is "good" or "awful" is pointless- just go round and round and round with nobody changing anyone's mind.
I enjoyed SP and make no comparisons to anything else. It's unique.
Alot of my favorite films are probably scorned by alot of you...and like I care?

 

[RIDDICK]

I enjoyed SP and make no comparisons to anything else. It's unique.

Yep, the movie that totally builded on fanservice is unique in every way... yeeeeey...

Alot of my favorite films are probably scorned by alot of you...and like I care?

If u don't care u don't post about it

Arguing about a film if it is "good" or "awful" is pointless- just go round and round and round with nobody changing anyone's mind.

It was so stupid I can't even talk about it w/o becoming a retard.

 

[Eamon]

Just out of genuine curiousity, what do you find stupid, misguided, and sexist about the film? I really have no problem with it not being any given person's cup of tea, I'm just trying to "get" some of the criticisms leveled against it.

Again, I stress, I draw chicks and robots for a living and yet I thought SP was incredibly sexist.

Do you guy honestly think if girls in the 60's no less, who are locked up against their will would dream of robots and dragons??

Have you guys actually met any woman? It certainly doesn't sound like it.

I don't know any women anywhere in any time, especially those abused by their step father who would fantasize being in a skimy outfit with a sword fighting Dragons and robots to help them deal with the ordeal of abuse.

Trying to suggest that this movie is female empowering is utter BS. That is why the movie is offensive. It's not rocket science lads.

Again, I enjoyed it. But I know what it is. It's a boy fantasy and nothing more.

 

[cplhicks]

I wish this was being released sooner


Although I'm hoping the delay will be like Jack and the QC and final result will be awesome!

 

[Eli26]

Of course its from a male point of view, but i know plenty of girls who really liked this movie and was not offended by it at all, and thousands and thousands of girls all over the world are buying the collectibles and everything from the movie, dressing up like the characters, etc.

im not even going to go there with what girls do or don't fantasize about, we all have our own dreams, everyone is different. And you sort of come off saying girls don't have creative fantasies. I know thats probably not what you meant, but it just comes off that way to me.

I dont feel this movie was trying to offend women in any way, i think it wanted to show an issue about what happened and still happens to women even to this day. A lot of the visuals to me were just metaphors in all the worlds throughout Sucker Punch.

Do girls fantasize about being pretty wearing skimpy outfits, yes i am sure some very much do. Did they in the 1960s? Of course!! Was this movie saying every woman on the planet thinks like this, NO, not at all! Its the story of BabyDoll and what she went through and what she could dream in her mind and how she felt.

as far being abused, her fantasies was a means of escape for her the way I saw it. Snyder tried his best, being a male, to understand and show what a girl of that age is going through and what she might be thinking in her mind. It was the 1960s, but then again i also felt it wasn't, that it could be any time. But showing them all sexy makes people think different about it. they look at the sexy part first. People can get easily offended by anything sexual. Its human nature.

Was it a perfect movie? not at all. But i think it was good. and i think Snyder confused and made people misunderstand the movie. I think people get too caught up in the visuals and the literal meanings of everything.

this is just my opinion of course, i know a lot will disagree with me.

Maybe those girls don't know what girl power is. I agree with Eamon's post. He's not against it, but it's definitely a boy's wet dream fantasy. That is not a girl empowering movie. It's just girls in hot slutty attire kicking ass in a 90 minute long music video. If it's truly about girl power in your eyes, then every Aerosmith and every other rock band with scantily clad women in their videos is about girl power.

 

[Eli26]

well, you didnt read or understand anything I wrote...

hehe I did just giving you a hard time. btw In the PM I understood yeah loud and clear. We're passionate hockey fans and I never take anything personally in there. btw Cam Ward is on fire lately. Too bad he didn't have a better team in front of him he could be in the Vezina discussion.

 

[hunnipot85]

I'm a female and I did not find the theatrical version sexist.

But when I saw the extended version... it just killed it for me. That whole Jon Hamm scene just irritated the ____ out of me and made me very uncomfortable. It ruined the film for me and the Babydoll character.

Don't even own the film anymore and can't say I'm dying to watch it again. I will buy a HT Amber though when I can get her for like $70.

 

[Lawrence]

I'm curious about the extended version now. What can ruin the movie that much that you choose get rid of it?

 

[ChrisM]

Sideshows newsletter posted that the Mark 2 AU and Batman 89 was coming in 30 days and Fb posted that the city hunter ines were coming out soon.

I think cosmo is reffering to the Hot Toys Community release dates which are taken from hottoys.jp which are listed as Jan, but have changed as each month passed.

I'm still waiting for Sam Flynn, Jake Sully & Babydoll to get released

The City Hunter figures are now due out in late February.

 

[Eamon]

I'm a female and I did not find the theatrical version sexist.

Did you not find that it belittled sexual abuse at all?

And did it raise an eyebrow with you that they went out of their way to tell us that Babydoll (in school uniform) was 21 despite looking far far younger and still living at home?

I think it's all too easy to look over this stuff given it's a popcorn specticle movie with awesome effects but all that stuff is still there.

 

[hunnipot85]

I'm curious about the extended version now. What can ruin the movie that much that you choose get rid of it?

Spoiler

Well the whole fantasy part is she's giving him his virginity and she wants to give it. But in fact it's for the lobotomy, and she basically does not fight at all and wants to be lobotomized? after all the work and fighting she did in her other fantasies and how badly she wanted to escape she just gives in? atleast that's how i interpreted it. some say she was finally content or some bull ____ but whatever. it was stupid. lol

 

[DeadLeaves]

Well one things for sure, the movie gets people talking about it.

Even the people that hate, bump every thread about it on this board up to the top.

 

[toylion]

I found this article and thought this an interesting point.

https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/1021329/is_the_sucker_punch_extended_cut_better.html

The most bizarre omission from Sucker Punch’s theatrical cut, though, is Baby Doll’s concluding encounter with the High Roller. In cinemas, the brevity of this scene implied that the Baby Doll had been forced to have sex with the High Roller against her will. Not only did this, when seen in tandem with the lobotomy scene that comes immediately after, give the movie a horribly mean-spirited conclusion, it also reduces Jon Hamm’s role in the film to one brief and utterly baffling moment.

Immediately after Hamm’s doctor delivers the final, lobotomising blow, he leans back and says, “Did you see that look she just gave me?” It’s a line that, in the theatrical cut, meant nothing.

With the offending scene now restored, things make more sense. The High Roller gently woos Baby Doll with a romantic overture worthy of William Shatner, and the heroine acquiesces - she takes fate head on, and accepts it with all the relish she can muster.

Emily Browning bemoaned the removal of this scene many months ago. “I had a very tame and mild love scene with John Hamm,” Browning told Nylon magazine. “I think it's great for this young girl to actually take control of her own sexuality. Well, the MPAA doesn't like that. They don't think a girl should ever be in control of her own sexuality because they're from the Stone Age.”

While Sucker Punch still ends on a dark and enigmatic note, its message is at least clear - by helping Sweet Pea escape, Baby Doll’s achieved her goal, and by calmly accepting what will happen instead of struggling against it, she manages to claw back the morsels of power and dignity that her captors have denied her throughout the film.

 

[ChrisM]

I found this article and thought this an interesting point.

https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/1021329/is_the_sucker_punch_extended_cut_better.html

Unless of course Sweet Pea escaping was still part of the fantasy, and then Baby Doll just gave up cause she couldn't cope.

 

[toylion]

Unless of course Sweet Pea escaping was still part of the fantasy, and then Baby Doll just gave up cause she couldn't cope.

And that's the whole point, they left it for you to decide.

 

[ChrisM]

And that's the whole point, they left it for you to decide.

Based on what information was given to you, there really isn't much to decide. The aspects surrounding Sweet Pea were all based on themese and characters from Baby's fantasy world.

No matter how I slice it, 'accepting' the lobotomy is bs.