Hot Toys - MMS187 - X-Men: The Last Stand: Wolverine

[Apone]

I pre-ordered at bbts for 214.99, not to bad, this guy is alittle light on accessories but the base is pretty cool and lights up and its WOLVERINE so I'm happy, can't wait!!!

Thought that I had more of a chance in seeing the below than someone happy to dish that much for a basic figure.

 

[Aumakua]

Sure about that?

https://www.sideshowtoy.com/?page_id=4489&sku=100054&ref=companion_cross_1000301

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[FQRizzo]

That's a damn fine figure of Hugh Jackman's stunt double. $235 is a steal

 

[IrishJedi]

Trust me, its not Sideshow settings those prices, its HT. Sideshow knows better than to expect this much from such a bare bones figure

You're wrong, dude. I know for a fact that Sideshow has a big say in what the retail prices for these figures in NA are. We just don't know exactly what their margins are. But based on given info, they're apparently pretty high. They are absolutely culpable here as well.

 

[Buttmunch]

Sure about that?

https://www.sideshowtoy.com/?page_id=4489&sku=100054&ref=companion_cross_1000301

Touche. But compairing something made out of polystone and something made out of plastic isn't ever going to be fair. HT gives Sideshow a wholesale price and then the MSRP for each item. Sideshow buys at the wholesale price (like every other distributer in the world) and then sales at MSRP given to them. Sideshow didn't set this MSRP, they were told it. Considering what kind of figure we can get from Sideshow for $200, they know this isn't the best deal in the world.

Unless things change dramatically, I give HT about 1 more year before they price themselves out of the market, and thus die. And if prices don't start making sense again, they have my permission to die.

 

[Apone]

Yes and no, its a combination. Say in the past Sideshow was selling it for $180 on their site and $125 to retailers, you know their cost was probably $90. So Hot Toys saw figures selling for double what they got and sometimes triple on ebay. So they kept jacking up prices. What happens is that Hot Toys raises the price from $90 to $100 to Sideshow, well Sideshow doesn't want to lose margin so they go from $180 to $200, happens with all types of business, no one reduces margin because their costs went up unless competition requires it but there is no competition. Its like Gas, oil goes up 10% in price, so does gasoline (or more), gas stations still make their same margin as always. So now if Hot toys wants $115-$120 for their figure from Sideshow, we will start seeing $235 to $240 retails, so the more "greedy" Hot Toys gets the more money Sideshow makes, until they hit the point where WE stop buying, then someone needs to budge, either Hot Toys needs to lower cost to Sideshow or Sideshow needs to realize they can't make 100% markup on TOYS this expensive anymore and should be more than happy making 80% on them which is still more profit than when they were selling them for $160.

The fact that retailers who buy from Hot Toys will so easily discount 10% on pre-orders shows you they have a ton of profit in them.

How do you explain Sideshow's products price increases though? They have tripled in three years...and retailers sell them for less than they do on their site.

 

[EXOTICLEX]

$235

 

[tdk5]

I think it's SS setting the prices. For example, in Singapore, the DX 12 Bats was retailing at S$300, which is around US$240. Contrast that to Sideshow's MSRP of US$259.99. I think from that we could see who's setting those prices.

Agreed though that Wolverine is overpriced. I thought the DX09 was really expensive when it first went up for PO, but seeing Wolverine's price made me think I committed daylight robbery with the $228 I paid for Bats haha..

Shudder to think what HT's prices will be by the end of 2013...maybe it's Sideshow's way of discouraging customers from pursuing Hot Toys' products while simultaneously allowing SS to release their own line of 1/6 scale figures.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

After the shock has now worn off, this makes me ask the question of why?
I know people instantly go towards greed, but is that the reason? Is it the license? Or the likeness rights? Is it complexity of costume? Is it to cover the cost of failed figures like Jake Sully? Is it in fact Sideshow? What do people think?

They got the license years ago so it can't be that.
It doesn't look enough like Jackman for likeness rights, plus they done him already for cheaper.
Costume doesn't look difficult
Jake Suly is an amazing figure, FOTY for many of those who do own him

 

[greygoose]

What the hell?

 

[Aumakua]

Touche. But compairing something made out of polystone and something made out of plastic isn't ever going to be fair. HT gives Sideshow a wholesale price and then the MSRP for each item. Sideshow buys at the wholesale price (like every other distributer in the world) and then sales at MSRP given to them. Sideshow didn't set this MSRP, they were told it. Considering what kind of figure we can get from Sideshow for $200, they know this isn't the best deal in the world.

Unless things change dramatically, I give HT about 1 more year before they price themselves out of the market, and thus die. And if prices don't start making sense again, they have my permission to die.

You are missing the fact that Sideshow distributes to all these other places like AE and BBTS, they don't do that for free! so when they sell to them to retailers at "Wholesale" Sideshow is making money, Sideshow doesn't pay "wholesale" the other retailers do.

 

[tommyh84]

£160 = $253.77

So you Yanks are better off

Personally (and this might be because I'm late to the hobby) I'm used to paying between £150-200 minimum for these figures so for me I'm never really fussed about the pricing.

I can obviously understand the frustrations of those that used to get their Hot Toys figures for £80 though

 

[gunm]

Unless things change dramatically, I give HT about 1 more year before they price themselves out of the market, and thus die. And if prices don't start making sense again, they have my permission to die.

I'm not sure they will die, but their market will definitely shrink to just the handful of rich guys who scoff at price and just open their wallets for every release. They might be able to survive that way, but they aren't going to grow as a company.

 

[Apone]

To whomever is behind these ridiculous price increases.....

 

[mikericm]

I pre-ordered at bbts for 214.99, not to bad, this guy is alittle light on accessories but the base is pretty cool and lights up and its WOLVERINE so I'm happy, can't wait!!!

Is that $214.99 PLUS shipping or including shipping?


I may actually order somewhere besides sideshow for the first time

 

[gunm]

Is that $214.99 PLUS shipping or including shipping?


I may actually order somewhere besides sideshow for the first time

Shipping is extra.

 

[greygoose]

I can obviously understand the frustrations of those that used to get their Hot Toys figures for £80 though

I got my Wolf Predator for £80 and look at this:

 

[youbastards]

What the hell?

Check out "Gentlemen Broncos", from the creators of "Napoleon Dynamite". A truly bizarre movie that happens to reuse the cyclops prosthetics from "Krull".

 

[Aumakua]

Personally (and this might be because I'm late to the hobby) I'm used to paying between £150-200 minimum for these figures so for me I'm never really fussed about the pricing.

I can obviously understand the frustrations of those that used to get their Hot Toys figures for £80 though

No offense, but non US buyers can't get into price discussions, same thing with the Auto industry, the US moves the volume and doesn't have the taxes Europe has. We pay $50K for a BMW 3 series and you pay $75K (converted) for the same exact car! sucks but it is what it is. Plus the freight to get the toys to Europe is a lot higher than to the States. You just have more people trying to make money on the deal than anyone else!

 

[gdb]

To whomever is behind these ridiculous price increases.....

I concur.