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[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

Larja, scar is nothing like broken tusk, scar was an unproven kid, broken tusk was an older veteran of many hunts who moved fluidly and didn't make stupid mistakes, and he had lost one of his mandibles just like wolf. The only thing broken tusk had in common with scar was he teamed up with a woman.

You said Wolf was a homage to Brokentusk. He wasn't.

Scar was based on Brokentusk. Of course he wasn't an exact copy of the character, but he was based on him nonetheless.

Wolf was a newly thought-up character, not based on any previous film/comic predators.

 

[greygoose]

Regarding the Strausetards, I'd say they're still clueless. Have you seen Skyline?

Yeah unfortunately I've seen it and it's terrible. Maybe if they had made Skyline first Fox wouldn't have hired them but then again maybe they would have.

 

[xenowolf]

Predators movie sucked, it took a good idea(predator game preserve planet) and tried to make a shot for shot remake of the first movie. Thus taking what could have been cool and ruining it and making it boring. Avpr gave an interesting look at a clan who focus around hunting deadly xenomorphs and gave avp comic fans exactly what we wanted, an incredibly awesome predator modeled after broken tusk(wolf). Ya it could have been filmed and acted better but the scenes with wolf and the cgi effects of him leaping and hunting are the best in the series IMO and the trophy room on the ship is amazing. What did predators give us, disappointment at what was supposed to be amazing.

 

[xenowolf]

You said Wolf was a homage to Brokentusk. He wasn't.

Scar was based on Brokentusk. Of course he wasn't an exact copy of the character, but he was based on him nonetheless.

Wolf was a newly thought-up character, not based on any previous film/comic predators.

Read the first avp comics, you will see wolf is broken tusk. How is he a new character when he is missing a mandible just like bt and a veteran/superior warrior just like bt. Scar is a kid and nothing at all like the character of broken tusk, other then teaming up with a human and teaming with a human is not what made broken tusk cool, it was the fact that he was a veteran/superior hunter with a missing mandible.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

Read the first avp comics, you will see wolf is broken tusk. How is he a new character when he is missing a mandible just like bt and a veteran/superior warrior just like bt. Scar is a kid and nothing at all like the character of broken tusk, other then teaming up with a human and teaming with a human is not what made broken tusk cool, it was the fact that he was a veteran/superior hunter with a missing mandible.

You're missing the point.

Just because Wolf has a missing mandible does not mean he's a homage to Brokentusk.

Is Brokentusk older than Scar? Yes. Is Wolf older than Scar? Yes. Does that mean Wolf was based on Brokentusk? No.

Judging by that, we could say that any Predator older than Scar was based on Brokentusk. Which would just be silly.

But no. The whole idea of Scar & Alexa's team-up in AvP was taken straight from the novel. From that point on, Scar was supposed to be the "relatable" predator. Just like Brokentusk. They then went on to combat the Queen alien together, as Brokentusk and Machiko did in the novel which resulted in Brokentusk's death.

Then there's the whole "blooding" thing, etc, etc.

 

[xenowolf]

Your missing the point larja, when making an homage to a character, you take key points of that character, like the mandible thing and the way wolf is an old grisled veteran with tons of experience, killing creatures with ease that would have killed inexperienced hunters. All this is laid out in the avp comics, machiko notes how other younger less experienced preds make mistakes and are killed while broken tusk moves fluidly and measures every step because he has had a lifetime of experience at it. Wolf receives the distress signal and goes to clean up the mess because he is the expert, the experienced alien hunter and they go out of their way to make him like broken tusk, that's why he is my favorite character in all the movies. To say scar is based on broken tusk is rediculous, clearly wolf was tho. In the first avp movie they only took the blooding ritual that broken tusk did with machiko, they took nothing of the character broken tusk.

 

[BugStomper]

I always thought Wolf was based on the Winston Wolfe character from Pulp fiction. Pretty sure the directors themselves talk about the comparisons in both Cleaners. I would also be surprised if they knew who Broken Tusk is. The mandible seems more like a design choice more than a homage. make him look like he’s survived his trip around the block.

I do agree with everyone on him being the best thing to come out of the pairing though

 

[dedguy]

The character of a Cleaner is one that's older than Pulp Fiction. The earliest I know of is Jean Reno in La Femme Nikita. Kartel's character in Pulp Fiction is based on him playing Reno's character in the US remake of Nikita "Point of No Return".

 

[xenowolf]

The wolf from pulp fiction was not an alien hunter, you guys seam to misunderstand what basing somthing on something else means. The nickname of wolf or cleaner is taken from the character in pulp fiction because if preds want a mess cleaned up they call the wolf, it's a joke but not based on the character. Also in an interview the Strauss brothers directly mention broken tusk as inspiration to create a superior veteran hunter, it took me awhile to find but I found it. They were big avp comic fans, that's why so many people call their movie fanboy crap and that's why i really enjoy it.

 

[RIDDICK]

And this right here is why these movies are doomed to fail. Instead of getting an Aliens vs. Predator movie we end up with another lacklustre Predator movie.

Actually those are lacklustre ALIENS-wannabe movies with another space monster(s) in it.
There's no PREDATOR in a sense.

awful predator-focused fan fiction that **** upon both franchises with incredibly cheap story and ridiculously stupid characters

That's exactly what AVP to begin with, in any form.

The franchise is not titled "Predator kills Aliens over and over and over and over..."

But that's the exact idea behind this franchise.

Resurrection at least had a lot of potential and an actual story. Not just mindless bull**** like AvP:R.

And that's where you fail miserably

AR story is as bull*****y as the one for any of those AvP movies.
Srsly, you think that some military system extracting human blood sample from giant vat of molten steel (WHAT) and producing alien-hybrid clones (WHAAAAAAAT) to make Aliens for study and research (WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT) on the spaceship, using human hosts kidnapped by mercenaries... is in any way better or smarter then space barbarians with advanced tech unable to use simple rules of quarantine gettin their brains ****ed, crashing spaceship on todays Earth while calling for cleaning operation, and in the end everything is blown up by shady military to prevent the spread of unknown infection/menace?

 

[BugStomper]

Actually those are lacklustre ALIENS-wannabe movies with another space monster(s) in it.
There's no PREDATOR in a sense.

You could remove the aliens from those movies completely and they wouldn’t even be missed. Those movies don’t even attempt to capture the essence of the Alien franchise. It’s absurd to call them anything over than Predator movies.

The one alien you could take away from AvP had less presence in a whole movie than any of the original Creatures gave in a 30 second shot.

 

[dedguy]

I definitely would agree with that. The aliens don't matter in the least in the AvP movies, the Predators are clearly the stars.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

Your missing the point larja, when making an homage to a character, you take key points of that character, like the mandible thing and the way wolf is an old grisled veteran with tons of experience, killing creatures with ease that would have killed inexperienced hunters. All this is laid out in the avp comics, machiko notes how other younger less experienced preds make mistakes and are killed while broken tusk moves fluidly and measures every step because he has had a lifetime of experience at it. Wolf receives the distress signal and goes to clean up the mess because he is the expert, the experienced alien hunter and they go out of their way to make him like broken tusk, that's why he is my favorite character in all the movies. To say scar is based on broken tusk is rediculous, clearly wolf was tho. In the first avp movie they only took the blooding ritual that broken tusk did with machiko, they took nothing of the character broken tusk.

I've actually laid out the facts in front of you and you still refuse to understand, so I don't know what to tell you at this point.

Wolf was not based on Brokentusk. Strausetards wanted a cool veteran "elite secret agent" predator, so they made one. They didn't base him on anything from the comics.

Wolf had a side of his face burned by acid. Brokentusk had a broken tusk. That does not = the same thing for Christ's sake.

I honestly cannot stress how thin and silly your argument is.

There is nothing, whatsoever, at all, nada, NOTHING, that implies Wolf was based on/is a homage of, Brokentusk.

However, Scar's teaming up with Lexa in AvP was taken straight out of AvP: Prey.

Wolf reminds you of Brokentusk. That's cool. But he was NOT based on him.

 

[fosing]

with arguments like that, wolf was based on scarface for the namesake.lolz

avp did takes elements from the novel PREY. the machiko team up, blooding clan thingy.lolz

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

That's exactly what AVP to begin with, in any form.

But that's the exact idea behind this franchise.

Not true. Yes, the original AvP comics were very predator-focused, but the aliens were still given far more respect than they were in both AvP films.

And that's where you fail miserably

AR story is as bull*****y as the one for any of those AvP movies.
Srsly, you think that some military system extracting human blood sample from giant vat of molten steel (WHAT) and producing alien-hybrid clones (WHAAAAAAAT) to make Aliens for study and research (WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT) on the spaceship, using human hosts kidnapped by mercenaries... is in any way better or smarter then space barbarians with advanced tech unable to use simple rules of quarantine gettin their brains ****ed, crashing spaceship on todays Earth while calling for cleaning operation, and in the end everything is blown up by shady military to prevent the spread of unknown infection/menace?

Yes. Anything is better than an enormous predator ship crashing in Colorado, derpy aliens running around killing teenagers, and the government dropping a nuke on the state.

200 years after Alien 3, our technology has finally advanced enough to actually clone Ripley from DNA on Fiorina 161? Because the Queen burster was inside Ripley when they cloned her, some of the Queen's DNA gets fused into Ripley? Etc, etc.

The story for Resurrection had thought put into it. It was interesting, it was a little far fetched but still believable. It definitely had some stupid elements though, like the Auriga crashing into Earth, lack of W-Y, etc, but all in all it was a solid idea. It was just handled very poorly.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

with arguments like that, wolf was based on scarface for the namesake.lolz

avp did takes elements from the novel PREY. the machiko team up, blooding clan thingy.lolz

I know right.

 

[xenowolf]

I've actually laid out the facts in front of you and you still refuse to understand, so I don't know what to tell you at this point.

Wolf was not based on Brokentusk. Strausetards wanted a cool veteran "elite secret agent" predator, so they made one. They didn't base him on anything from the comics.

Wolf had a side of his face burned by acid. Brokentusk had a broken tusk. That does not = the same thing for Christ's sake.

I honestly cannot stress how thin and silly your argument is.

There is nothing, whatsoever, at all, nada, NOTHING, that implies Wolf was based on/is a homage of, Brokentusk.

However, Scar's teaming up with Lexa in AvP was taken straight out of AvP: Prey.

Wolf reminds you of Brokentusk. That's cool. But he was NOT based on him.

There is no talking sense into you, but look it up and you will find an interview where Colin Strauss says the melted off mandible is a throwback to the character broken tusk from the comics, that mixed with the fact that he is a veteran skilled hunter make him a perfect homage to the comic character, just like I was saying earlier. Just cuz a character takes inspiration from another doesn't mean it's the same character, but wolf is much more based on the character of broken tusk, scar is based on the idea of teaming a predator and a human on a hunt. Oh and the word throwback is another way of saying an homage, and that's right from the directors mouth.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

 

[The Ween]

 

[dedguy]

Why is that being posted here?