1/6 Hot Toys - MMS274 - TDKR - John Blake with Bat-Signal 1/6th scale Collectible Set

[Maglor]

Re: Hot Toys The Dark Knight Rises - Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Detective John Blake ??

Blake and Selina show that Batman did not fail, they are inspired by his example to fight for better society. Otherwise all the Dent thing collapsed (Joker already told it, and Bane made it public) and Batman left no legacy.
Moreover, both Blake and Selina were inspired by knowing who the Batman really was. So, their existence as people from the lower part of society (just as Joe Chill) is a proof that Wayne's family legacy wins in an ideological fight with Ras Al Ghul's philosophy (and Bane with Talia). Moreover, in a way Blake substitutes not only Batman, but Gordon too. He is in between them as a character. So, is it lame character? The trilogy will collapse without him (because most characters are building blocks of the complex plot in Nolan's works).

I WANT BLAKE!

Exactly. Even the image in your signature would be meaningless without Robin Blake.

 

[dw316]

Re: Hot Toys The Dark Knight Rises - Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Detective John Blake ??

People are probably just pissed that it didn't follow the mythos like with the Mandarin. LOL

 

[xenowolf]

Re: Hot Toys The Dark Knight Rises - Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Detective John Blake ??

Trevor Slattery > Robin Blake

100% disagree, but once I looked up who that was, I had a good laugh.

 

[Mike86]

Re: Hot Toys The Dark Knight Rises - Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Detective John Blake ??

I always get the feeling there wouldn't be so much hate for the Blake character if Nolan hadn't thrown in the Robin line. Not sure why that enrages people so much, probably because a lot of people still think it's cool to hate on Robin in general. Realistically though I still think the whole thing about Robin being Blake's real name was just thrown in as kind of a wink to fans. It's not like Nolan had Blake running around in a Robin outfit or something it was just a hey here's a little teaser for you fans type of thing. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Mike86]

Re: Hot Toys The Dark Knight Rises - Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Detective John Blake ??

Lucius Fox was from the animated series original I believe.


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He was around in the comics before Batman: The Animated Series. He basically started as a similar character to how he's portrayed in The Dark Knight Trilogy only he didn't find out about Bruce being Batman for a long time.

 

[The Iron Koob]

Re: Hot Toys The Dark Knight Rises - Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Detective John Blake ??

I hated the Robin line because it seemed like he was being groomed to be Gordon's replacement and Nolan just forced him into the Batman role so that his story would make sense. Wouldn't he just get himself killed if he took up Batman's duties? Like we get it: He helps Batman, he's "Robin" but he's not **** Grayson, Jason Todd, or Tim Drake, but his "real name" is Robin? What for? Anyway, the movie was okay for me until the end when he quits and all that.

I think it had more to do with the fact that Nolan wanted out of the series and didn't want them to use his universe. If you think about it MOS is supposed to be "What if superheroes showed up in Modern America?" and well Nolan's Batman would fit perfectly even though that's not our stereotypical Batman. Idk I have a lot of mixed feelings. I didn't like the third movie and hated the suit and thought Bale was kind of overrated and then they got Affleck and now wonder woman so Idk. I guess I'm just venting

 

[Maglor]

Re: Hot Toys The Dark Knight Rises - Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Detective John Blake ??

I hated the Robin line because it seemed like he was being groomed to be Gordon's replacement and Nolan just forced him into the Batman role so that his story would make sense. Wouldn't he just get himself killed if he took up Batman's duties? Like we get it: He helps Batman, he's "Robin" but he's not **** Grayson, Jason Todd, or Tim Drake, but his "real name" is Robin? What for?

See below.

I always get the feeling there wouldn't be so much hate for the Blake character if Nolan hadn't thrown in the Robin line. Not sure why that enrages people so much, probably because a lot of people still think it's cool to hate on Robin in general. Realistically though I still think the whole thing about Robin being Blake's real name was just thrown in as kind of a wink to fans. It's not like Nolan had Blake running around in a Robin outfit or something it was just a hey here's a little teaser for you fans type of thing. Nothing more, nothing less.

I loved it. I literally laughed out loud for sheer joy.

 

[The Iron Koob]

Re: Hot Toys The Dark Knight Rises - Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Detective John Blake ??

I loved it. I literally laughed out loud for sheer joy.

Lol that's cool. I don't mind that people liked that but it was an eye-roller for me

 

[Maglor]

Re: Hot Toys The Dark Knight Rises - Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Detective John Blake ??

I think people dislike Blake for 2 reasons:

1)

I don't think so. I love the character of Robin, from the Burt Ward version, to the comics to the animated series and I despise Blake. I think the character is awful and written horribly, especially the "I know who you are" speech.

So no, I doubt the hate comes from a prejudice against Robin.

That I can understand.



2) He is the device used to allow Batman to quit.


Most think Batman quitting is heresy. Personally, I feel the whole series telegraphed that eventuality, and it works for me.

 

[xenowolf]

Re: Hot Toys The Dark Knight Rises - Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Detective John Blake ??

They censored graysons first name, seriously tho nolans trilogy was the best comic treatment ever to be done and i wouldn't change a thing. Nolan didn't want robin in his movie he said so specifically, the robin line was a wink to the character and meant to be funny. The trilogy was incredible beginning to end.

 

[Mike86]

Re: Hot Toys The Dark Knight Rises - Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Detective John Blake ??

I don't think so. I love the character of Robin, from the Burt Ward version, to the comics to the animated series and I despise Blake. I think the character is awful and written horribly, especially the "I know who you are" speech.

So no, I doubt the hate comes from a prejudice against Robin.

You'd be surprised. There are a lot of people who despise the character. Mostly because they don't realize that he's been utilized well in modern comics and Batman: The Animated Series and a bunch of other things.

As far as Blake knowing about Bruce being Batman, realistically it sort of makes sense to me that some people would have figured it out even though it was obviously just a convenient plot for the film. Realistically though it wouldn't be that hard for some people to put it together especially when you consider Bruce had been gone for years prior to Batman Begins and suddenly shows up in Gotham and not long afterwards Batman shows up. Then on top of that Batman goes into retirement at the same time Bruce becomes a recluse and they both re-emerge in The Dark Knight Rises.

 

[dw316]

Re: Hot Toys The Dark Knight Rises - Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Detective John Blake ??

They censored graysons first name, seriously tho nolans trilogy was the best comic treatment ever to be done and i wouldn't change a thing. Nolan didn't want robin in his movie he said so specifically, the robin line was a wink to the character and meant to be funny. The trilogy was incredible beginning to end.

 

[xenowolf]

Re: Hot Toys The Dark Knight Rises - Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Detective John Blake ??

Also if you saw the dr. office scene batmans body was shot and that was before his back was broke, batman had to quit and nolans trilogy was meant to be a batman story summed up in three movies with no sequels, any new batman movies will always be seperate from nolans masterpiece.

 

[Mike86]

Re: Hot Toys The Dark Knight Rises - Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Detective John Blake ??

Realistically yeah, we saw this happen with Coleman Reese (which worked out quite well and is never questioned) but not from a "look" or a "feeling in their bones". I think Levitt deserves mad props for his acting in that scene but the actual dialogue and reasoning is just putrid. I didn't buy it since day 1 and it seems to be the thing that really gets under people's skin.

I guess I do kind of get it and I can see that reason bothering people but I think that aside the character was handled pretty well. JGL always gives a solid performance and I sort of like that we get the idea implied that Blake may one day take on the mantle of Batman.

 

[dw316]

Re: Hot Toys The Dark Knight Rises - Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Detective John Blake ??

Closure.

 

[Mike86]

Re: Hot Toys The Dark Knight Rises - Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Detective John Blake ??

2) He is the device used to allow Batman to quit.


Most think Batman quitting is heresy. Personally, I feel the whole series telegraphed that eventuality, and it works for me.

This probably is another reason some dislike Blake, however I think you have to look at The Dark Knight Trilogy as something of an Elseworlds Batman story. Yes it has a lot of the traditional Batman elements but it's also very much it's own thing too. Nolan's Bruce was able to overcome his demons and move on to live his life with Selina rather than being shrouded in darkness his whole life. Personally what was done works for me. I'd like very much to see another take on Batman as the more grizzled, loner type of character like we all know and love but I liked what Nolan gave us overall.

 

[The Iron Koob]

Re: Hot Toys The Dark Knight Rises - Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Detective John Blake ??

I think Blake needed his own movie to watch his development. By his own movie, I mean a Batman movie where his character arc was the main focus. TDKR had Batman's exit as well as Blake entrance and it was a little too rushed. I, for one, was left wondering how the hell Blake was going to survive even a day trying to be Batman? Batman sees Blake, gives him enough to take over, and then retires in another story (even thought I hate the retiring part).

The way it happened seemed kind of lame for Bruce to start this whole Batman thing, complain the whole time, then dump the whole responsibility on a guy who honestly wasn't ready for it. Dent is reasonable because he had legal power, but how is Blake a viable option? A somewhat useful ally sure? But Batman's heir? Replacement? Legacy? I just don't see it. I think I finally found what bothers me so much about that ending.

 

[ShadowX81]

Re: Hot Toys The Dark Knight Rises - Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Detective John Blake ??

As far as Blake knowing about Bruce being Batman, realistically it sort of makes sense to me that some people would have figured it out even though it was obviously just a convenient plot for the film. Realistically though it wouldn't be that hard for some people to put it together especially when you consider Bruce had been gone for years prior to Batman Begins and suddenly shows up in Gotham and not long afterwards Batman shows up. Then on top of that Batman goes into retirement at the same time Bruce becomes a recluse and they both re-emerge in The Dark Knight Rises.

I can definitely see it happening, but it was a bit awkwardly explained in the film. It would have been better if they had empasized the fact that it was just some joke that Blake made up along with the rest of the kids when they were telling stories to each other about Bruce Wayne. But the more he thought about it later the more it actually started to make sense.
Instead we got a clumsily worded explanation focusing on the comradery among orphans and the hidden anger they all share.

 

[ShadowX81]

Re: Hot Toys The Dark Knight Rises - Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Detective John Blake ??

Bruce seemed like a pretty trusting guy in this movie.

Afterall he also trusted Catwoman with the Batpod even though up to that point she had done apsolutly nothing but screw him over. And after one kiss (which also came out of nowhere) and one time where she chose not to try and kill him (is that really the baseline we are using for love these days?) he is ready to run off and spend the rest of his life with this woman who is essentially a complete stranger. And a somewhat sketchy one at that.

 

[Mike86]

Re: Hot Toys The Dark Knight Rises - Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Detective John Blake ??

Bruce seemed like a pretty trusting guy in this movie.

Afterall he also trusted Catwoman with the Batpod even though up to that point she had done apsolutly nothing but screw him over. And after one kiss (which also came out of nowhere) and one time where she chose not to try and kill him (is that really the baseline we are using for love these days?) he is ready to run off and spend the rest of his life with this woman who is essentially a complete stranger. And a somewhat sketchy one at that.

I think that at a certain point Bruce just began to understand Selina. I think that he understood that she wasn't a perfect person but was committing crimes out of desperation and in some ways is a lot like him only a bit misguided in what she's doing. Also she pretty much gave Bruce what she wanted when he fought Bane so I don't really view that as her screwing him over. She warned him like Alfred tried to but he was set on facing Bane.

The difference between Bruce/Batman in Dark Knight vs. what we got in TDKR is like light and day, and I prefer the former personally. With TDKR it's like I'm seeing a completely different version of the character which is a shame. By the end of the Dark Knight, it's like he finally got his "Batman" status at that point. The year one, naive stages for Wayne are over and we got a full fledged Batman that has come to terms of what his mission means. Then with TDKR they just go backwards and he's doing the same crap over again (underestimating Bane, being fooled by another "Al Ghul", etc. etc.)

I think that The Dark Knight Rises Batman wanted to be the same as he was in The Dark Knight and felt like he would be able to take on Bane as easily as he had done with The Joker. He basically got a little cocky and instead of training a bit before going to face Bane went in at a disadvantage as he had been out of commission for eight years. Basically Bruce was humanized in the film and did something foolish.