1/6 Hot Toys - MMS350 - Captain America: Civil War - Captain America Collectible Figure

[BrooklynWolf X]

I am enjoying reading both sides to the story here. So let me put my 2 cents in. It seems the people that are mad or upset are the ones that already PO'd the standard Cap, but want the movie promo Cap instead. I myself am in that same boat, however as much as I want the BD shield, I am content knowing I am still getting an awesome CW Cap that looks great and is slightly different then the movie promo Cap. Yes, it sucks I am already invested into the standard clean version Cap, but I am going to be happy knowing I have an awesome Cap on the way. If I want the BD shield later down the road I will check on eBay and pay the outrageous price people will be charging.

I do agree that I feel HT is doing this as a a way to gain extra sales, but it is a business in the end. However, I do feel that they could of released both at the same time and then you give your fans of Cap a choice of what version they want. That way HT is still making extra money and then you still are catering to the needs of your fans by giving them a choice right then and there instead of like now where people that PO'd the standard will not cancel to get what they hopefully wanted because there was no mention of it being released. Hope this makes some sense cause I think I just confused myself

I'd like to clear one more thing. I'm not upset that I've already PO'd the standard and am missing out of the Bd shield because of the movie promo edition. I'm upset with the idea of the promo version. Yankee put it best. They took existing parts and slapped them together And made a "new" release.

I can live without the BD shield. I have the avengers pt 1 cap release that *surprise* came WITH A BD shield. I haven't used it once. However for them to save the BD shield to add as an accessory for the movie promo release instead of the standard is wrong on many levels.

 

[ApeManRyan]

I am enjoying reading both sides to the story here. So let me put my 2 cents in. It seems the people that are mad or upset are the ones that already PO'd the standard Cap, but want the movie promo Cap instead. I myself am in that same boat, however as much as I want the BD shield, I am content knowing I am still getting an awesome CW Cap that looks great and is slightly different then the movie promo Cap. Yes, it sucks I am already invested into the standard clean version Cap, but I am going to be happy knowing I have an awesome Cap on the way. If I want the BD shield later down the road I will check on eBay and pay the outrageous price people will be charging.

I do agree that I feel HT is doing this as a a way to gain extra sales, but it is a business in the end. However, I do feel that they could of released both at the same time and then you give your fans of Cap a choice of what version they want. That way HT is still making extra money and then you still are catering to the needs of your fans by giving them a choice right then and there instead of like now where people that PO'd the standard will not cancel to get what they hopefully wanted because there was no mention of it being released. Hope this makes some sense cause I think I just confused myself

I highly agree with your statement.

I'm going with the regular version because I'd personally rather have the interchangeable face plates in lieu of a BD shield. And I'm also not surprised HT released a promo version of this figure with minimal differences. It hasn't been the first time and I'm certain won't be the last.

You'll love it and if I ordered that one I would of kept it and loved it too.

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[Bjjer]

I am enjoying reading both sides to the story here. So let me put my 2 cents in. It seems the people that are mad or upset are the ones that already PO'd the standard Cap, but want the movie promo Cap instead. I myself am in that same boat, however as much as I want the BD shield, I am content knowing I am still getting an awesome CW Cap that looks great and is slightly different then the movie promo Cap. Yes, it sucks I am already invested into the standard clean version Cap, but I am going to be happy knowing I have an awesome Cap on the way. If I want the BD shield later down the road I will check on eBay and pay the outrageous price people will be charging.

I do agree that I feel HT is doing this as a a way to gain extra sales, but it is a business in the end. However, I do feel that they could of released both at the same time and then you give your fans of Cap a choice of what version they want. That way HT is still making extra money and then you still are catering to the needs of your fans by giving them a choice right then and there instead of like now where people that PO'd the standard will not cancel to get what they hopefully wanted because there was no mention of it being released. Hope this makes some sense cause I think I just confused myself

Thats why I preorder with BBTS, I can cancel without any problems.

 

[ApeManRyan]

I order from bbts all the time and it helps with the expensive items if I cannot make my mind up I can just cancel with no problems. If I order from sideshow it's a definite buy these days. No canceling.

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[JDog797]

Being new to this hobby, I have never ordered from BBTS. I have visited their site more than I can count, but maybe I should start PO'ing from them. Does BBTS have PO payments like SS does or not?

 

[SilverStar17]

I am enjoying reading both sides to the story here. So let me put my 2 cents in. It seems the people that are mad or upset are the ones that already PO'd the standard Cap, but want the movie promo Cap instead. I myself am in that same boat, however as much as I want the BD shield, I am content knowing I am still getting an awesome CW Cap that looks great and is slightly different then the movie promo Cap. Yes, it sucks I am already invested into the standard clean version Cap, but I am going to be happy knowing I have an awesome Cap on the way. If I want the BD shield later down the road I will check on eBay and pay the outrageous price people will be charging.

I do agree that I feel HT is doing this as a a way to gain extra sales, but it is a business in the end. However, I do feel that they could of released both at the same time and then you give your fans of Cap a choice of what version they want. That way HT is still making extra money and then you still are catering to the needs of your fans by giving them a choice right then and there instead of like now where people that PO'd the standard will not cancel to get what they hopefully wanted because there was no mention of it being released. Hope this makes some sense cause I think I just confused myself

Agree on all points. The only thing appealing to me personally about the promo version is the BD shield. If I want it that bad, I'll check eBay to see what I can get one for. However, if I can't, it won't really be a big deal to me.

Or, if I like the look of the clean shield to the point where I wouldn't use the BD shield anyway even if I had it, then all that much easier.

You'll love it and if I ordered that one I would of kept it and loved it too.

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I have no doubt I will. Same with buyers of the promo version. Can't go wrong with either one.

 

[skizzoid]

I'd like to clear one more thing. I'm not upset that I've already PO'd the standard and am missing out of the Bd shield because of the movie promo edition. I'm upset with the idea of the promo version. Yankee put it best. They took existing parts and slapped them together And made a "new" release.

I can live without the BD shield. I have the avengers pt 1 cap release that *surprise* came WITH A BD shield. I haven't used it once. However for them to save the BD shield to add as an accessory for the movie promo release instead of the standard is wrong on many levels.

HT's been doing repaints and rehashes of figures for a while now, so I'm not sure what's so bad about this particular release or if it's just the last straw that broke the camel's back.

I'm going to play devil's advocate a bit here- Marvel didn't even reveal the scratched shield until maybe a week or two ago, so HT very likely wasn't allowed to reveal something that in a figure announcement before Marvel revealed it. So it wasn't going to get announced with the regular Cap release months ago. And if they didn't announce the figure, there'd be the endless impatient complaints of "when are you announcing CW Cap figures???"

But once Marvel revealed it, I'm also willing to bet HT knew it would hear a bunch of backlash from fans if they didn't release a figure with it. So HT could have either added it to the regular release as an extra bonus (which happens, but rarely) or it could have found a way to release it separately. I don't think there's any scenario where a single shield gets purchased on its own, so what figure should it be bundled with? Fans will blow a gasket if it only comes with Black Panther ("it's Cap's shield!"), so another Cap release becomes necessary.

Also, considering you haven't used the BD shield from the first Avengers figure (can I have it, please?), I don't think you have a leg to stand on when it comes to asking for a second shield to be included with a Cap figure. Not to mention that the first Avengers version is the only time that a single-figure Cap release has ever had multiple shields (the TWS 2-pack had 2 shields but 2 figures). We've been in one-figure/one-shield territory for years now.

All of that said, I'm glad that Cap's popular enough that he's getting the Iron Man/Star Wars repaint/battle damage variant treatment. I wasn't planning on getting a CW Cap (I already have a Cap figure), but a battle damaged Cap would be different enough to consider doubling up on the character. And I bet HT is banking on that being the case for people who skipped the regular CW Cap because of its similarity to AoU Cap.

 

[Bjjer]

...plus I think the BD shield from the first Avengers Cap figure might have been a sorry from HT for people that had the First Avenger Cap with flaking shields. I'm glad we got past that.

 

[JDog797]

I guess we should of seen it coming from this picture

 

[ApeManRyan]

Great... my thread got closed.

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[skizzoid]

...plus I think the BD shield from the first Avengers Cap figure might have been a sorry from HT for people that had the First Avenger Cap with flaking shields. I'm glad we got past that.

Except for the part where they included the flaking shield with the Avengers Cap anyways.

 

[BrooklynWolf X]

HT's been doing repaints and rehashes of figures for a while now, so I'm not sure what's so bad about this particular release or if it's just the last straw that broke the camel's back.

I'm going to play devil's advocate a bit here- Marvel didn't even reveal the scratched shield until maybe a week or two ago, so HT very likely wasn't allowed to reveal something that in a figure announcement before Marvel revealed it. So it wasn't going to get announced with the regular Cap release months ago. And if they didn't announce the figure, there'd be the endless impatient complaints of "when are you announcing CW Cap figures???"

But once Marvel revealed it, I'm also willing to bet HT knew it would hear a bunch of backlash from fans if they didn't release a figure with it. So HT could have either added it to the regular release as an extra bonus (which happens, but rarely) or it could have found a way to release it separately. I don't think there's any scenario where a single shield gets purchased on its own, so what figure should it be bundled with? Fans will blow a gasket if it only comes with Black Panther ("it's Cap's shield!"), so another Cap release becomes necessary.

Also, considering you haven't used the BD shield from the first Avengers figure (can I have it, please?), I don't think you have a leg to stand on when it comes to asking for a second shield to be included with a Cap figure. Not to mention that the first Avengers version is the only time that a single-figure Cap release has ever had multiple shields (the TWS 2-pack had 2 shields but 2 figures). We've been in one-figure/one-shield territory for years now.

All of that said, I'm glad that Cap's popular enough that he's getting the Iron Man/Star Wars repaint/battle damage variant treatment. I wasn't planning on getting a CW Cap (I already have a Cap figure), but a battle damaged Cap would be different enough to consider doubling up on the character. And I bet HT is banking on that being the case for people who skipped the regular CW Cap because of its similarity to AoU Cap.

Although I haven't used the Bd shield on the avengers cap, doesn't make my complaint any less valid. I may not have used it, and seeing as how you requested it from me (sorry man, I may not use all my accessories, but I still like to keep em around), that means including a BD shield would be a pleasant surprise for you no? Yeah yeah, they're a business whose goal is to make money yadda yadda...I'd like for them to do things for the fans every now and then. I don't think I'm out of line in saying I'm positive many other collectors would feel the same.

Your speculation as to how the shield came to be...it may very well be true. And seeing as how they've thrown a bone for us every now and then, why stop there?

To join in on playing devils advocate, they could've given the Bd shield to BP. I'm sure there are those that only collect CA and haven't given a moments notice to BP will definitely have him on their radar now. Considering how he plays an integral part in the movie and exchanges fisticuffs with CA, it'd be more of an incentive to buy BP because they'll be able to replicate them fighting. But to separate accessories with two releases of the same character with minor changes? It's highway robbery IMO.

As for his popularity reaching IM levels. As much as I hated HT milking the crap outta IM...at least his figures are different enough between releases, excluding paint variations of course.

Figures such as TDK batman, IM MK3 had updates to them. Separated by time, and between those release, they implemented their experience and made improvements to the body, outfit, and headsculpts...and in the MK3's case, a complete overhaul with better proportions and diecast. Could you imagine if HT released the DX12 figure with the same Hs from the Dx02? I think it's safe to say there'd be a $#!+storm.

 

[BrooklynWolf X]

I guess we should of seen it coming from this picture
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LOL. Wow...what a ****ing tease. I totally forgot about that. I guess that theory of implementing the Bd shield at the last moment is debunked.

 

[Motuxmen]

I'd like to clear one more thing. I'm not upset that I've already PO'd the standard and am missing out of the Bd shield because of the movie promo edition. I'm upset with the idea of the promo version. Yankee put it best. They took existing parts and slapped them together And made a "new" release.

I can live without the BD shield. I have the avengers pt 1 cap release that *surprise* came WITH A BD shield. I haven't used it once. However for them to save the BD shield to add as an accessory for the movie promo release instead of the standard is wrong on many levels.

So your upset with all these to then right?

It's a repaint used as a show exclusive like many of the below listed version. And to be clear...your not upset you didn't get the shield...your upset they are selling it? But the regular figure is ok (you've said so multiple times...don't order this version there's a better one (meaning the regular)..coming soon. Even though every part of it is a reuse? Which is why you are against the idea of the New one....hmm sounds like you are upset then that the parts are not all in one release.

And yes, an older cap had two shields. Does that mean every single (or any at all) future releases are obligated to include every part?

Again you have missed the point that the movie promo version was put together to be a show exclusive. It has no new parts. It has the same body, head, and shield as the standard (with slight alterations) and an added base recycled from another figure. It was and is just a show perk. Every company does them.(every collectible company) hot toys has done it nearly every year for a decade. Some only have stands(pretty much like this one) and some have just slip covers...some come with other stuff. Some are announced at the same time as the standard figure, some after.

It's not what you want, so it's w "cash" grab or the worst idea ever or a middle finger to the entire fan base. Except that's not what it is. It's a repaint of an existing figure designed to be sold to fans at conventions as an incentive...one in which they also have opted to sell to others as well.


List of a lot of figures who reuse parts below. Some are even done nearly identical to how this Cap situation is done.

Spoiler

Aou regular cap ( uses parts from WS cap)
CW cap reg(uses parts from Aou and WS and others...and this is the one you have told people to order to skip the new one and it's all resused)
CW falcon(Aou falcon)
Aou new SW
War machine mk2
Aou black widow
Mk3 silly things
Mk7 stealth
Mk7 BD
Mk6 avengers
Gamma
Tank
Python
Midas
Peacemaker
Snapper
Rose hill
Hot rod
Mk6 limited movie avengers
Mk3 BD
Mk3 const
WM milk
Joker 2.0
Tumbler camo
Evil superman
Light armor Thor
Aou Thor
Mk43
T800(multiples)
PlayStation trooper
Boba ex (one has the special base)
Sand trooper ep7
Jakku trooper ep7
Heavy trooper ep7
Tie pilot
Hulk Aou (both version)
Chrome armor batman BvS
Riot trooper
Capt Phasma
Copper trooper
Officer trooper
Flame trooper
Luke trooper
CW Hawkey
Black suit spiderman
Armory batman
Dx12
Swat Gordon I think
Those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head that reuse parts.

 

[Music Man]

I am enjoying reading both sides to the story here. So let me put my 2 cents in. It seems the people that are mad or upset are the ones that already PO'd the standard Cap, but want the movie promo Cap instead. I myself am in that same boat, however as much as I want the BD shield, I am content knowing I am still getting an awesome CW Cap that looks great and is slightly different then the movie promo Cap. Yes, it sucks I am already invested into the standard clean version Cap, but I am going to be happy knowing I have an awesome Cap on the way. If I want the BD shield later down the road I will check on eBay and pay the outrageous price people will be charging.

I do agree that I feel HT is doing this as a a way to gain extra sales, but it is a business in the end. However, I do feel that they could of released both at the same time and then you give your fans of Cap a choice of what version they want. That way HT is still making extra money and then you still are catering to the needs of your fans by giving them a choice right then and there instead of like now where people that PO'd the standard will not cancel to get what they hopefully wanted because there was no mention of it being released. Hope this makes some sense cause I think I just confused myself

 

[Motuxmen]

These type of figures also help offset the cost of putting on these shows. SDCC and toy soul and agchk and marvel 1000 and the Aou exhibition and so on. Paying for booth setup and shipping the prototypes to Each show and then back. The back drops. The 1/1 stuff(yes they started to offer them for sale but that's new and doesn't cover every one made) all the dioramas they need to build (manpower costs, material, set up, ect) a 1/6 millennium falcon or the tie fighter or a 1/1 cap or antman or hulkbuster... All that costs money. Having a figure designed and marketed to sell at a specific show helps offset some cost. And that's what this and SW are for. Last year the mk7 was done for the avengers ultron exhibit.

 

[ArtDamage]

Setting aside a shield with some scratches on it seems a far lesser offense than what they did with golden age cap. I mean hell he was a "limited" release and that was for the costume he wore through the whole finale of tws.

This doesn't seem nearly enough to get worked up about. It's available for those that want it and unnecessary for those that don't.

 

[Motuxmen]

Setting aside a shield with some scratches on it seems a far lesser offense than what they did with golden age cap. I mean hell he was a "limited" release and that was for the costume he wore through the whole finale of tws.

This doesn't seem nearly enough to get worked up about. It's available for those that want it and unnecessary for those that don't.

I agree..but I think the "issue" is that people want everything in one release with no added cost and think it's not fair that hot toys didn't throw it all into one release. And that action was done as a "cash grab", and not as a way to offset costs or normal business.

 

[Music Man]

Although I haven't used the Bd shield on the avengers cap, doesn't make my complaint any less valid. I may not have used it, and seeing as how you requested it from me (sorry man, I may not use all my accessories, but I still like to keep em around), that means including a BD shield would be a pleasant surprise for you no? Yeah yeah, they're a business whose goal is to make money yadda yadda...I'd like for them to do things for the fans every now and then. I don't think I'm out of line in saying I'm positive many other collectors would feel the same.

Your speculation as to how the shield came to be...it may very well be true. And seeing as how they've thrown a bone for us every now and then, why stop there?

To join in on playing devils advocate, they could've given the Bd shield to BP. I'm sure there are those that only collect CA and haven't given a moments notice to BP will definitely have him on their radar now. Considering how he plays an integral part in the movie and exchanges fisticuffs with CA, it'd be more of an incentive to buy BP because they'll be able to replicate them fighting. But to separate accessories with two releases of the same character with minor changes? It's highway robbery IMO.

As for his popularity reaching IM levels. As much as I hated HT milking the crap outta IM...at least his figures are different enough between releases, excluding paint variations of course.

Figures such as TDK batman, IM MK3 had updates to them. Separated by time, and between those release, they implemented their experience and made improvements to the body, outfit, and headsculpts...and in the MK3's case, a complete overhaul with better proportions and diecast. Could you imagine if HT released the DX12 figure with the same Hs from the Dx02? I think it's safe to say there'd be a $#!+storm.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[skizzoid]

Although I haven't used the Bd shield on the avengers cap, doesn't make my complaint any less valid. I may not have used it, and seeing as how you requested it from me (sorry man, I may not use all my accessories, but I still like to keep em around), that means including a BD shield would be a pleasant surprise for you no? Yeah yeah, they're a business whose goal is to make money yadda yadda...I'd like for them to do things for the fans every now and then. I don't think I'm out of line in saying I'm positive many other collectors would feel the same.

Your speculation as to how the shield came to be...it may very well be true. And seeing as how they've thrown a bone for us every now and then, why stop there?

To join in on playing devils advocate, they could've given the Bd shield to BP. I'm sure there are those that only collect CA and haven't given a moments notice to BP will definitely have him on their radar now. Considering how he plays an integral part in the movie and exchanges fisticuffs with CA, it'd be more of an incentive to buy BP because they'll be able to replicate them fighting. But to separate accessories with two releases of the same character with minor changes? It's highway robbery IMO.

As for his popularity reaching IM levels. As much as I hated HT milking the crap outta IM...at least his figures are different enough between releases, excluding paint variations of course.

Figures such as TDK batman, IM MK3 had updates to them. Separated by time, and between those release, they implemented their experience and made improvements to the body, outfit, and headsculpts...and in the MK3's case, a complete overhaul with better proportions and diecast. Could you imagine if HT released the DX12 figure with the same Hs from the Dx02? I think it's safe to say there'd be a $#!+storm.

The point was, if you and other collectors aren't using both Avengers shields, HT is better off including just one shield with each Cap. Why make a bunch of accessories if collectors will primarily only use a few? It's like they're actually catering to their fans' primary uses (which is unfortunate if you're not part of the majority).

Do I think they should have included the BD shield with the regular release (as a bonus)? Yes, but I know that the shield is a big enough deal that HT can milk another figure release out of it (and Motux makes a good point about operating costs). I remember the Rocket/Groot 2-pack got an extra baby Groot figure. That was a (literally) small token, but no one would have bought a separate figure release just for another baby Groot. So that made more sense to include as a bonus item. But Cap's shield is iconic enough that they can get away with it. Should they? Maybe not, but the market is what it is. Also, if we get into the habit of expecting bonus items post-announcement, disappointment will be through the roof when figures don't come with enough accessories (I think accessory-related disappointment is kinda high as it is, as this discussion indicates). That's a PR nightmare, so it's better if they don't feed that trend at all.

Based on some of the online chatter, Black Panther was getting a ton of attention already, and I don't think including a shield with him would have driven many more sales of the figure. Fans would have picked him up anyways since it's the first release of the figure. If someone doesn't want Black Panther, it's not a good experience to have customers buy a figure they don't want to get a part that they do want. And if they want the shield, they're probably more willing to pick it up with a Cap figure than some other random character. Either way, someone's going to be disappointed about not getting the shield, and this is probably the best option from their perspective (short- and long-term).