1/6 Hot Toys - MMS350 - Captain America: Civil War - Captain America Collectible Figure

[darkknight]

Well, more power to you then.

But let me ask you: wouldn't it have made more sense for HT to include the BD shield in the standard edition? And wouldn't you have preferred that? For a "battling" edition, this really doesn't look all that "battled" to me.

I'm hyped as **** for the standard edition. And It irks me to no end that I'm gonna have to resort to Knock offs for my Bd shield.

Yeah I agree with you. And I posted earlier if I had to choose one I would pick the regular. But like I said, I gotta have them all lol

 

[SilverStar17]

Thanks.

 

[BrooklynWolf X]

I understand that you're indignant that you feel you got cheated on the regular version with it not having the inclusion of the BD shield, but I'm not really sure what to tell you. I can relate because I too wish and feel that it probably should have included the BD shield, but what are you going to do? HT is probably indeed attempting to capitalize on the hype and I can't fault them for that.

If it's any consolation, the trade off for the promo version buyers is that they don't get the sculpt that you have the option of changing the expressions on. To me, I would personally rather have that option over a BD shield. Even if you have to get a knock off BD shield, I myself would rather have a knock off accessory/shield than a knock off sculpt.

Just because you're angry that the version you chose doesn't include a particular accessory you want, I think it's a little unfair to denigrate the buyers of the version that includes the main accessory that you want. Either stick with the regular version, or simply cancel and you could always move your PO the promo instead.

I'm not insulting the fanbase. I'm more disappointed with them TBH. who the **** am I to be disappointed with them right? Yeah, in the end, I'm nobody. All they see is someone whining like a little *****. I'm not pissed at the fanbase...I'm pissed at HT. they keep on pulling $#!+ like this and they keep getting away with it. ITs effed up that they take advantage of their fans like this.

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[SilverStar17]

I'm not insulting the fanbase. I'm more disappointed with them TBH. who the **** am I to be disappointed with them right? Yeah, in the end, I'm nobody. All they see is someone whining like a little *****. I'm not pissed at the fanbase...I'm pissed at HT. they keep on pulling $#!+ like this and they keep getting away with it. ITs effed up that they take advantage of their fans like this.

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Eh, I don't really see it as taking advantage of their fans/buyers. It's good to remain loyal to your fans, but at the same time, they are a business. If you like a particular figure you get it. If you don't, you don't. Unlike the BvS Supes sculpt mix-up, they're not potentially advertising something that you think you're going to get, but then switch on you at the last minute. If they were indeed going to do that, the way to "get back" at HT would be to have simply canceled your PO and not bought the figure because that I feel would have indeed truly been taking advantage of your buyers.

I don't really see anything to be disappointed about with the buyers of the promo figure either. They liked it, they bought it. Just like you and I liked the regular version, we bought it. Do I wish it included the BD shield? Sure. But I have no regrets about getting this regular version and feel no inclination what-so-ever to change to the promo version.

 

[Bjjer]

I went with the promo because I think the regular clean Cap will resemble my AoU Cap too much. The dirtier suit and BD shield are enough to distinguish the two.

 

[SilverStar17]

I went with the promo because I think the regular clean Cap will resemble my AoU Cap too much. The dirtier suit and BD shield are enough to distinguish the two.

Nice.

I personally don't think there's much difference in the two suits of the two versions judging by the pictures. The "dirty" effect seems to be very subtle. I personally also like how the band/stripe on the forearm of the regular version is red (which is the actual color of it based on set pictures I've seen from the film) whereas on the promo version it appears to be a very dark brown. Could just be lighting, or perhaps it gets extremely dirty at some point.

 

[ApeManRyan]

Either one you get is going to be great. Personally the promo has a difference to it enough to distinguish from the rest to fit the movie. That's why I ordered it and no harm since it's the same price. No harm done.

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[BrooklynWolf X]

I'm gonna get on my soapbox for a bit. Think I'm a whiny *****, move along. But if some want a little insight as to why I'm pissed, by all means read on. I think there is merit to my perspective. So bear with me. I've collected HT for a long time. Back when they were still a start up company. For those fresh into the hobby, that was a time when HT did things for the fans. It was an awesome time to be a collector. They gave a ton of accessories, and if the figure came with no accessories, they came with a second HS. When issues with likeness and outfits arose, they did their best to resolve them by answering the fans or actually update the HS or outfit.

Today's HT is not the same. They became big and rich. They're no longer hungry like they used to be. IMO, they're no longer doing it for the fans, it's more for themselves. Yes, I'm aware they are a company and it shouldn't be surprising that it's about the money. But I don't think I'm out of line by wishing they can do both. You can make money but also be fair to the fans.

My complaints aren't entirely without merit. When things in the real world get out of hand, what do we do? We band together and demand change. You may be thinking "he's effin out of his mind, comparing doll collecting to real world issues". To that I reply with "so?" Just because the issue is about "toys", a hobby we all are passionate about, that excludes it from "wanting change for the better"? Ok, fine, politics a bit too real or out there? How about video games? When companies pull off tactics similar to this particular situation, what happens? Fans nerd rage and demand change! Sometimes it works, others, not so much. But the fact that change can happen sometimes is proof that fan outcry can make change happen. Still too out there? What about that $#!+ that happened with YouTube and the fine brothers? Trademarking the word "react"? Are you effin kidding me? So what happened? Viewers banded together and voiced their disapproval by dropping their subscription. And y'know what? It worked. They rescinded their attempt to trademark it...sadly it was mostly due to pressure from their sponsors instead of "doing the right thing".

I'm not insulting fans. I'm trying to educate them that this is simply a showing of greed from HT. not taking away from the quality of their work. But their business practice can get shady as **** from time to time.

They wanna make money. I'm aware of that as we all are. But they've made more than enough. They DIDNT have to do this but because they want MORE, they went ahead and did.

You can ask me "so you expect everyone to boycott this release?"....honestly...yes. Unfortunately collectors are a unique group. Everything is divisive and fans can never agree on one thing. So, unfortunately, due to the nature of this hobby, there won't be a collective voice big enough to let HT know they can't keep on doing this. I hope that will change one day.

So have at it. If I make sense, please share your opinions. If some just refuse to see it from my angle, then go ahead and post stupid gifs or emotes that add absolutely nothing to the discussion other than to garner a laugh or two from likeminded members. I'm for an open discussion or debate about this.

 

[ApeManRyan]

Wolf I understand your frustration and respect your opinion on the matter. I agree a lot of what you have to say. I still stand by my decision on which I purchased and I'm at this point in the hobby where I'm not getting a lot so wherever my interest goes it goes and my interest was more in the promo figure then the standard. Hot Toys could of made one figure with both accesories in it and charge a little bit more but they didn't. At least it's the same price and we got options. I wanted my civil war cap to be distinguished a littl e it form the rest of my caps and I didn't want to buy two figures since I rather save that extra two hundred bucks for other things in life over a collectible.

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[SilverStar17]

Either one you get is going to be great. No harm done.

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[ApeManRyan]

Mhmm! I made my statement on why and you can all read about it so.

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[BrooklynWolf X]

I'm gonna get on my soapbox for a bit. Think I'm a whiny *****, move along. But if some want a little insight as to why I'm pissed, by all means read on. I think there is merit to my perspective. So bear with me. I've collected HT for a long time. Back when they were still a start up company. For those fresh into the hobby, that was a time when HT did things for the fans. It was an awesome time to be a collector. They gave a ton of accessories, and if the figure came with no accessories, they came with a second HS. When issues with likeness and outfits arose, they did their best to resolve them by answering the fans or actually update the HS or outfit.

Today's HT is not the same. They became big and rich. They're no longer hungry like they used to be. IMO, they're no longer doing it for the fans, it's more for themselves. Yes, I'm aware they are a company and it shouldn't be surprising that it's about the money. But I don't think I'm out of line by wishing they can do both. You can make money but also be fair to the fans.

My complaints aren't entirely without merit. When things in the real world get out of hand, what do we do? We band together and demand change. You may be thinking "he's effin out of his mind, comparing doll collecting to real world issues". To that I reply with "so?" Just because the issue is about "toys", a hobby we all are passionate about, that excludes it from "wanting change for the better"? Ok, fine, politics a bit too real or out there? How about video games? When companies pull off tactics similar to this particular situation, what happens? Fans nerd rage and demand change! Sometimes it works, others, not so much. But the fact that change can happen sometimes is proof that fan outcry can make change happen. Still too out there? What about that $#!+ that happened with YouTube and the fine brothers? Trademarking the word "react"? Are you effin kidding me? So what happened? Viewers banded together and voiced their disapproval by dropping their subscription. And y'know what? It worked. They rescinded their attempt to trademark it...sadly it was mostly due to pressure from their sponsors instead of "doing the right thing".

I'm not insulting fans. I'm trying to educate them that this is simply a showing of greed from HT. not taking away from the quality of their work. But their business practice can get shady as **** from time to time.

They wanna make money. I'm aware of that as we all are. But they've made more than enough. They DIDNT have to do this but because they want MORE, they went ahead and did.

You can ask me "so you expect everyone to boycott this release?"....honestly...yes. Unfortunately collectors are a unique group. Everything is divisive and fans can never agree on one thing. So, unfortunately, due to the nature of this hobby, there won't be a collective voice big enough to let HT know they can't keep on doing this. I hope that will change one day.

So have at it. If I make sense, please share your opinions. If some just refuse to see it from my angle, then go ahead and post stupid gifs or emotes that add absolutely nothing to the discussion other than to garner a laugh or two from likeminded members. I'm for an open discussion or debate about this.

I'm shamelessly quoting my post. I genuinely want to debate about this.

 

[SilverStar17]

Mhmm! I made my statement on why and you can all read about it so.

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I just didn't include it because I personally feel the difference between the two is extremely minimal. Each person is entitled to get what they want for their own reasons that they don't have to justify to anyone else.

I think you can't go wrong with either one. Each one I'm sure will turn out great.

 

[BrooklynWolf X]

Wolf I understand your frustration and respect your opinion on the matter. I agree a lot of what you have to say. I still stand by my decision on which I purchased and I'm at this point in the hobby where I'm not getting a lot so wherever my interest goes it goes and my interest was more in the promo figure then the standard. Hot Toys could of made one figure with both accesories in it and charge a little bit more but they didn't. At least it's the same price and we got options. I wanted my civil war cap to be distinguished a littl e it form the rest of my caps and I didn't want to buy two figures since I rather save that extra two hundred bucks for other things in life over a collectible.

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As I've mentioned before...the changes...if you can call it that, just are not substantial enough to make it a separate release. The standard edition, IMO, offers more and something fresh for a Cap release in the form of interchangeable mouths. The movie promo is a rehash of the AoU HS. Now remember...BOTH HELMETED AND ROGERS HS was already rehashed from the winter solider edition. Factor in reused HS and take away the Bd shield...the movie promo has nothing going for it. But alas, it does come with the bd shield, and once again...like avengers pt 1, it could've, and SHOULD'VE been an accessory for the standard.

If you feel dirty knee pads and BD shield are enough to buy this over the standard release, which actually features a fresh addition to a Cap figure, then great...I just DISAGREE with the concept behind the figure.

 

[Bjjer]

I'm gonna get on my soapbox for a bit. Think I'm a whiny *****, move along. But if some want a little insight as to why I'm pissed, by all means read on. I think there is merit to my perspective. So bear with me. I've collected HT for a long time. Back when they were still a start up company. For those fresh into the hobby, that was a time when HT did things for the fans. It was an awesome time to be a collector. They gave a ton of accessories, and if the figure came with no accessories, they came with a second HS. When issues with likeness and outfits arose, they did their best to resolve them by answering the fans or actually update the HS or outfit.

Today's HT is not the same. They became big and rich. They're no longer hungry like they used to be. IMO, they're no longer doing it for the fans, it's more for themselves. Yes, I'm aware they are a company and it shouldn't be surprising that it's about the money. But I don't think I'm out of line by wishing they can do both. You can make money but also be fair to the fans.

My complaints aren't entirely without merit. When things in the real world get out of hand, what do we do? We band together and demand change. You may be thinking "he's effin out of his mind, comparing doll collecting to real world issues". To that I reply with "so?" Just because the issue is about "toys", a hobby we all are passionate about, that excludes it from "wanting change for the better"? Ok, fine, politics a bit too real or out there? How about video games? When companies pull off tactics similar to this particular situation, what happens? Fans nerd rage and demand change! Sometimes it works, others, not so much. But the fact that change can happen sometimes is proof that fan outcry can make change happen. Still too out there? What about that $#!+ that happened with YouTube and the fine brothers? Trademarking the word "react"? Are you effin kidding me? So what happened? Viewers banded together and voiced their disapproval by dropping their subscription. And y'know what? It worked. They rescinded their attempt to trademark it...sadly it was mostly due to pressure from their sponsors instead of "doing the right thing".

I'm not insulting fans. I'm trying to educate them that this is simply a showing of greed from HT. not taking away from the quality of their work. But their business practice can get shady as **** from time to time.

They wanna make money. I'm aware of that as we all are. But they've made more than enough. They DIDNT have to do this but because they want MORE, they went ahead and did.

You can ask me "so you expect everyone to boycott this release?"....honestly...yes. Unfortunately collectors are a unique group. Everything is divisive and fans can never agree on one thing. So, unfortunately, due to the nature of this hobby, there won't be a collective voice big enough to let HT know they can't keep on doing this. I hope that will change one day.

So have at it. If I make sense, please share your opinions. If some just refuse to see it from my angle, then go ahead and post stupid gifs or emotes that add absolutely nothing to the discussion other than to garner a laugh or two from likeminded members. I'm for an open discussion or debate about this.

I like the current Hot Toys. I enjoy their current properties and I like that they make enough to go around. Variants are part of the toy collecting game, this is how many companies pay for more unique offerings. The BD Cap is a movie promo so it's kind of a separate release and I imagine follow different rules than a regular release. Im of the opinion this is a release that can be ignored if one doesn't like it or seems it's unfair because it's out of the boundries of a regular release.

 

[YankeesFanboy]

Does it genuinely surprise anybody that HT took existing parts and cobbled together a "new" release?

At least we have options, I suppose. Sticking with the clean Cap.

 

[BrooklynWolf X]

Does it genuinely surprise anybody that HT took existing parts and cobbled together a "new" release?

At least we have options, I suppose. Sticking with the clean Cap.

Y'know...I've written so much, and mostly I wanted to convey exactly this lol. Just frustrated and took things a bit far I suppose.

 

[ApeManRyan]

I just didn't include it because I personally feel the difference between the two is extremely minimal. Each person is entitled to get what they want for their own reasons that they don't have to justify to anyone else.

I think you can't go wrong with either one. Each one I'm sure will turn out great.

Exactly!

As I've mentioned before...the changes...if you can call it that, just are not substantial enough to make it a separate release. The standard edition, IMO, offers more and something fresh for a Cap release in the form of interchangeable mouths. The movie promo is a rehash of the AoU HS. Now remember...BOTH HELMETED AND ROGERS HS was already rehashed from the winter solider edition. Factor in reused HS and take away the Bd shield...the movie promo has nothing going for it. But alas, it does come with the bd shield, and once again...like avengers pt 1, it could've, and SHOULD'VE been an accessory for the standard.

If you feel dirty knee pads and BD shield are enough to buy this over the standard release, which actually features a fresh addition to a Cap figure, then great...I just DISAGREE with the concept behind the figure.

I highly understand man nothing wrong with your opinion. I myself wanted a more dirtier cap this time around and the face plates I don't really care for.

Does it genuinely surprise anybody that HT took existing parts and cobbled together a "new" release? [emoji38]

At least we have options, I suppose. Sticking with the clean Cap.

I'm not lol. [emoji38]

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[JDog797]

I am enjoying reading both sides to the story here. So let me put my 2 cents in. It seems the people that are mad or upset are the ones that already PO'd the standard Cap, but want the movie promo Cap instead. I myself am in that same boat, however as much as I want the BD shield, I am content knowing I am still getting an awesome CW Cap that looks great and is slightly different then the movie promo Cap. Yes, it sucks I am already invested into the standard clean version Cap, but I am going to be happy knowing I have an awesome Cap on the way. If I want the BD shield later down the road I will check on eBay and pay the outrageous price people will be charging.

I do agree that I feel HT is doing this as a a way to gain extra sales, but it is a business in the end. However, I do feel that they could of released both at the same time and then you give your fans of Cap a choice of what version they want. That way HT is still making extra money and then you still are catering to the needs of your fans by giving them a choice right then and there instead of like now where people that PO'd the standard will not cancel to get what they hopefully wanted because there was no mention of it being released. Hope this makes some sense cause I think I just confused myself

 

[SilverStar17]

Exactly!

I highly understand man nothing wrong with your opinion. I myself wanted a more dirtier cap this time around and the face plates I don't really care for.

I'm not lol. [emoji38]

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I'm going with the regular version because I'd personally rather have the interchangeable face plates in lieu of a BD shield. And I'm also not surprised HT released a promo version of this figure with minimal differences. It hasn't been the first time and I'm certain won't be the last.