Thanks to the belt pic I easily detached it. I removed the suit but man the bat butt did not make it easy at all. This is probably made harder since the zipper doesn't go as far down as the original release. Also I had to undo his "padding strap" around his back before I could get the suit off. Once it was off I glued the leg peg above the knee as it should've been glued in the first place and finally got the suit back on. Have tweezers ready to refasten the padding strap. To reattach the belt just apply some pressure on the buckle above the peg and it will click back into place. Aside from the strap putting it back on was much easier than taking it off! Thanks again for the belt pic!
1/6 Hot Toys - MMS409 - Suicide Squad - Batman (Rebreather Version) Collectible Figure
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Bats always looks good black and white.
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Crappy pic. I like it
HeubertMichael
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No glue there.
Thanks, buddy!
For a fair comparison, you need to have both stock bvs and stock ss bats under the same lighting condition at the same time.
Brilliant figure. Hope it lasts.
This one will hold me over until the inevitable 1/4 scale version.
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I hope they do a 1/4, they'd have to include an unmasked headsculpt with that
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I hope they do a 1/4, they'd have to include an unmasked headsculpt with that
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Yeah no problem, been working a lot recently so still not had a chance to check him out properly or compare, I have a chance right now to take some photos but in terms of really comparing the two don't really have much time today, but I'll unload you all with some photos soon.
I got him from Timcent88 on Ebay (fantastic to buy from, such a great seller) about a week ago - not sure if it's one of the first batches or not, it's from Hong Kong I believe either way, not Sideshow for sure.
I'll get some up in a second, been busy at the moment and the weather here has been really dull so want to try and get some natural lighting in through the window also before it disappears. The box art is really crap compared to the SS line, the Tuxedo Joker looks great, I just hate it when they put photos of the actual figure on the packaging like they did with this one, the BvS boxes were quite nice, this design neither relates to Batman or looks good, especially when the Tuxedo Joker box art is superb.
I was really looking forward to the figure and was incredibly disappointed when I opened it up in terms of the suit, I couldn't be disappointed by the cape as I already thought it looked tacky, I'll try playing around with it see what I can do.
Yeah it seems like each figure comes completely different, don't really understand it. Even my two BvS Batman's were different shades, the one I sold being a bit darker than the one I have kept.
Yup, that's correct, got it from Timcent around the same time as you, mate. The BvS definitely has infinitely better details and sculpt and application than the SS. Interestingly enough, the only think I find that the SS is better with is that I don't feel like the suit will stick at all, I've seen no residue or stickiness in the armpits at all, so at least that is good. In terms of malleability I've not really compared between the two. But for sure my Sniper Rifle exclusive was a lot more loose and pliable than my Tech Cowl version - not sure if this was because it was played around with a bit more or not, like the shades of colour each figure may come differently also.
But from what I've seen at the moment, the SS and BvS that I have are no less difficult to pose. In fact, I find the SS more posable. His ab crunch in the torso is very each to produce, feels a lot more loose, the BvS is a lot more stiff. In the end neither really make a difference, they both hold position - I think SS from what I remember can crunch a bit more than the BvS, but I may be misremembering that as just easier able to crunch.
There definitely are as this carries across even to the BvS line I feel. I think we can both agree, the SS cowl is superior. The matte black makes his eyes pop more and the nub at the bottom can be tucked into his chest to make it looks like it's actually folding into the suit like in the films. My BvS personally doesn't have the cowl touching the Bat symbol, I honestly do think that's just something that can be futzed away from the box that people don't really try to do.
Can't really see an amazingly big difference in terms of body and proportion. There definitely is slightly more padding in the suit on the SS, and legs seems to have been extended, they look longer, the figure is definitely taller on the SS, can't tell if they're just elongated the legs (the thighs look a bit more stretched out for example, but I've not really properly compared them so not too sure). The paint app for the most part seems to be exaggerating the slightly more padded SS version for sure.
I can say I think the arms/shoulders are definitely improved. They just seem to look more natural and pose better. Good improvement there I think.
See, for the the cape is both utter crap and full of potential. I think the dynamic part of it is pure ****e. It's a comic book cape, not film representation cape. I want a film representation, not a comic book version. And I personally don't think the cape looks great extended like he's flying. The only part of the cape that I like is the shoulder part being wired so that it can sit flush on them. It's slightly annoying you can see then ends of the wires bulging up at the top part however. I think the best cape they could produce should be a thinner wire, or more concealed, at the shoulders to make it sit flush and then let it drape from his armpit to give it some weight and let it flow. Alternatively just get a nicer material that's heavy and let the weight of it make it flush!
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Nice to hear your input! Looking forward to your pictures.
Yeah, I think you won't be able to see the subtle differences until you examine them side by side. Proportion wise, the SS version is way better in my opinion. From the bigger trap muscles, shoulders, thicker chest and waist/torso. Also, it seems as though the thighs are just slightly thicker than the BVS.
As far as the height, mine is definitely the same height of my BVS version. I've stood them back to back and from what I can tell, the SS trap muscles look bigger because the actual shoulder joint is attached at a slightly lower point than the BVS version. If that makes sense. Although t certain angles the SS looks taller because of the overall thicker proportions.
Regardless, I'm happy to have both. I prefer the SS version, but the BVS has it's merits.
Yeah, I think you won't be able to see the subtle differences until you examine them side by side. Proportion wise, the SS version is way better in my opinion. From the bigger trap muscles, shoulders, thicker chest and waist/torso. Also, it seems as though the thighs are just slightly thicker than the BVS.
As far as the height, mine is definitely the same height of my BVS version. I've stood them back to back and from what I can tell, the SS trap muscles look bigger because the actual shoulder joint is attached at a slightly lower point than the BVS version. If that makes sense. Although t certain angles the SS looks taller because of the overall thicker proportions.
Regardless, I'm happy to have both. I prefer the SS version, but the BVS has it's merits.
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The top is the SS and bottom BvS.
Top BvS and bottom SS
So I think you can clearly see, the suit for SS is a complete disaster. The BvS is a nice shaded grey and has great printed texture design on it. You can clearly see there's a lot of little black protrusions sticking out of the suit making the pattern, it is crisp and sharp with thick lines cutting through it adding to the pattern. This is extremely close to his BvS suit as can be seen below
The SS is a blurred, badly printed piece of crap compared. It looks like they have cheaped out and made indentations to give the effect of the black bumped patterns. The suit pattern looks like it has bled out from the lines it was supposed to fill in, and the lines cutting through look wide and thick. However they printed this is awful in comparison, looks like a gluey paint has been splurged in compared to the BvS version looking like an actual textured suit.
I've not made any mods for either figure, and you can see on both the cowl does not touch the symbol, those have their heads pushed down also - there's no trickery, no mods, the BvS is capable to have it this way. The SS is great with the cowl, I think the matte black is a huge improvement. However I do hate how thick the cape that is glued to the cowl is, it sticks out like a sore thumb. The top part of the cape is better than the BvS version however, it looks thicker and hangs better on the shoulder because of the wire. But again, Hot Toys dropped the ball on the cape, it doesn't look the same material, doesn't have the same properties and isn't film accurate.
You can see also that from the film stills, Ben's suit isn't really puffed out, it's more because of his actual body being bulky that gives him the imposing look. So yes, SS does look better proportioned and the added padding does help, however Hot Toys got it wrong. Instead of padding the muscle definition and applying a different paint app which really highlights it, they should have just bulked up the inner body, NOT the muscle definition. But this will be swings and round abouts of what people prefer, I personally think they got it completely wrong, and anyone using the argument of looking bigger, I think really makes it look less better in terms of representation, to the point of verging on a balloon muscle man. Anyone that has it should see inside the suit that the extra padding is within the suit of the muscles.
SS does look taller, and his body articulation more or less is better along with his proportions, even if they proportioned the wrong way (muscle vs body bulk beneath the suit). I do feel like it has been overly exaggerated, though. Yes you can notice the extra padding etc. but overall it's not a huge difference, it seems to be more optical with the paint app combined with the extra padding, but yes, it is there, he is bigger, but not exceptionally so.
You can't really see from these photos but the most obvious case in which SS is bigger is in the arms. It is actually a big difference, it's not the width of his arms from the side that is bigger, they seemed to enlarge his bicep width, and there seems to be something going on with his shoulders, either way, the shoulder articulation and the arms in SS does just feel better.
It is still a great figure - had I not already had two BvS Batmen, then none of the issues I've highlighted would be problematic for me. He is better in some regards and not so in others. I think some members on here have exaggerated A LOT about the slight differences, you can call him the definitive Batman until you're blue in the face, in the end he has some improvements and some bad differences.
For me... the suit is just awful, that's the biggest problem, and the main reason I would say he's not the definitive representation of Ben's Batman (along with that God awful comic cape). The suit texture and colour just kills it completely for me. The proportions are better and looks better, however, I feel it's more to do with the paint app making the slight changes look bigger and better; the actual size difference is subtle at worst and very slightly improved at best. But again, for me it's not so much an improvement, the muscle definition should not have been padded (because this is what has happened, there's no enlargement behind the suit, the enlargement is the padding for the muscles IN the suit).
The tabs of the cowl have never been an issue for me covering the bat symbol - I've not really taken any photos in regards to articulation but they're pretty similar, doesn't really do anything new, but like I said he can make an easier ab crunch, possibly to more degrees, and his arms just feel and look like they articulate better in the SS than the BvS. His head also sits flusher to his body when putting it on which is a nice and welcomed improvement.
The cape I've already said enough about. I feel strongly that people who love this cape is because they like the comics capes. If you wanted a cape like in the film this is not the one for you.
But in the end, either one is fine to get, they're both incredible figures. Personally, I think the suit is a let down in the SS, and Hot Toys missed a trick in understanding that the extra bulk should have come from his body not the padding for the muscles. Either way, neither are the definitive Batman because the best one would be a combination of the both with even more changes. The definitive Batman will be the 1/4 BvS if Hot Toys ever decide to make it.
Hopefully this has helped some to a degree. I've tried my best not to be biased - both have their pros and cons that make me wish I could merge the best of both together.
I just wanted to clear the air of earlier pages of people declaring this to be the best and putting down the BvS, whether that's due to not having a BvS, unable to get one and only being able to secure one of the limited numbers of the SS Batman, I don't know. But genuinely, there's not enough improvement in the SS to declare it the best or better version. For all the slight adjustments that they made that could be seen as better, they also took steps backwards in other areas, which for me puts them on roughly equal footing.
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I think you're the first to point out the differences in detail for the suit! Specifically the black protrusions/detailing in the BVS version. It's something you can clearly see examining both side by side, but it's hard to capture in photos if you don't have a good camera.
As far as the color, my BVS version is darker than yours. So that's where there may be some misconceptions as well. I think the BVS version had color variation from batch to batch as well. It's not solely a SS version mishap.
As far as the color, my BVS version is darker than yours. So that's where there may be some misconceptions as well. I think the BVS version had color variation from batch to batch as well. It's not solely a SS version mishap.
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The tapatalk app is ALWAYS hit or miss with broken pic links. I'm hoping I could see your pics on my desktop at home. I love seeing these comparison photos!
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I am? It's the biggest thing for me haha, I thought others would have noticed.
And yup, you're correct! I mentioned this in my last post that I think that issue is problematic even within the BvS Batmen, not just between the Ss and BvS, but so many poeple were arguing the case of the SS being a lighter grey as a reason why it's better than the BvS, it's simply not the case.
This is a photo of when I had my two BvS Batmen, the left being the Tech Cowl which I kept and is in the photos above and the one on the right the Sniper Rifle exclusive - you can see the differences in tone even between them.
GaryPool
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Hopefully you can, I have spent way more time on this than I actually have messing with the figure and actually physically comparing the two haha. Hope people find it useful, I know earlier on Sj provided very useful photos for people!
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Thanks for the the fair assessment of your Batflecks, Garypool.
I think I may have posted before my thoughts about the possibility of Hot Toys having the same part of a figure subcontracted to at least 2 factories to meet the release dates, resulting to slight variations in looks and build quality. I thought of that when reports of sticky suits on BvS Batman came out, as some collectors from cold/fair weather countries unfortunately experienced while I'm yet to see a report on our local group here in our year-round humid country. Perhaps that's a possible reason behind the color variation on the Suicide Squad version. Mine's definitely lighter than the BvS, but like you I noticed that the details -- particularly the broken lines on the suit -- are more crisp on the BvS version as it were in the movie suit (my Sideshow PF of regular suit Batfleck also has this) but is hard to see on the SS version. Your close-up shots on the crotch are shows the clear difference. Could be a compromise, to make the prints stronger and the suit, lighter (though the latter may not be the case for everyone, it seems)?
I think I may have posted before my thoughts about the possibility of Hot Toys having the same part of a figure subcontracted to at least 2 factories to meet the release dates, resulting to slight variations in looks and build quality. I thought of that when reports of sticky suits on BvS Batman came out, as some collectors from cold/fair weather countries unfortunately experienced while I'm yet to see a report on our local group here in our year-round humid country. Perhaps that's a possible reason behind the color variation on the Suicide Squad version. Mine's definitely lighter than the BvS, but like you I noticed that the details -- particularly the broken lines on the suit -- are more crisp on the BvS version as it were in the movie suit (my Sideshow PF of regular suit Batfleck also has this) but is hard to see on the SS version. Your close-up shots on the crotch are shows the clear difference. Could be a compromise, to make the prints stronger and the suit, lighter (though the latter may not be the case for everyone, it seems)?
Finally we can see some good photos to show another variation.
Other members including me have the darker bvs bats.
I can understand the color difference due to batches, but both bodies underneath the bvs and ss suits are identical.
How can one be taller than the other?
My observation is that not only the padding inside the ss suit is thicker, the paint app on the ss suit is also thicker.
Thicker paint on the suit will have a little less details as all the black wash effect on the bvs suit has been greyed out on the ss suit.
Other members including me have the darker bvs bats.
I can understand the color difference due to batches, but both bodies underneath the bvs and ss suits are identical.
How can one be taller than the other?
My observation is that not only the padding inside the ss suit is thicker, the paint app on the ss suit is also thicker.
Thicker paint on the suit will have a little less details as all the black wash effect on the bvs suit has been greyed out on the ss suit.
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