Hot Toys Star Wars Stormtrooper

[Wor-Gar]

Agree that it was the technology that "corrupted" Lucas (ironic, since once of the main themes of SW is technology corrupting humanity).

He spent the first couple of decades unable to fully realise his vision with what was available, so when the technology finally caught up he went crazy with the CGI and made that his main focus.

Now that's funny. The irony that his vision was better off seeing less of it.

Kind of like the Shark in JAWS. Better movie because that damn shark didn't work.

 

[Mad Old Lu]

Good point, but I think the worst of it is his refusal to collaborate as someone else mentioned.

He has been so incredibly stubborn that everything be like how he envisions it, he was unwilling to hear any constructive criticism. Even as far as Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, both Spielberg and Ford said that Lucas WOULD NOT go forward with a new Indy film if it wasn't about aliens (inter dimensional beings or whatever). They both had to eventually give in since George was essentially holding the franchise hostage. I'm sure there are countless of brilliant screenwriters out there who would have volunteered to write the Prequels for free if it meant to be involved with the SW universe. But instead he wanted to do it himself. Even with the script polishes Jonathan Hale did for the second and third prequels had done, I'm sure he wasn't allowed to touch certain things like character motivations, etc. Or else Lucas purposely hired Hale knowing he could control him.

Now, I can truly understand that as an artist you would want your singular vision. But George himself has acknowledged that he is not a good writer. Why not give a professional a chance? I can only imagine if George had taken some drawing classes and suddenly he thinks he can do all the production and character design himself!

I think he's always had some poor judgement, but in the beginning he was still inexperience enough, and hadn't become THE George Lucas, that people around him were willing to say, "that's not a good idea", and for George to back down. By the time ROTJ came out, he was much more confident and could therefore push cuddly Ewoks and burping Sarlacc pits. Isn't George's refusal to collaborate one of the reasons Gary Kurtz left after ESB?

 

[Mike86]

If you read the transcripts of the Raiders script conferences between Lucas, Spielberg and Kasdan, which from memory took place around 1977, a lot of the best stuff is coming from Lucas, he's very much the main man, and you get a sense that he's at the height of his powers. Everything went **** up for him creatively after Empire.

As an idea man I think he is or at least was good at coming up with interesting characters and concepts. I think he doesn't know how to properly put things into action though is a lot of his problem. I really think Spielberg probably kept him in line or from going too crazy. He's a much more well rounded filmmaker in my opinion than Lucas is or ever was.

 

[devilof76]

I don't have an issue with the prequels to be honest. I enjoy them for what they were. And at least they kept Star Wars alive for another generation.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Rorywan again.

 

[Prime Clone]

As an idea man I think he is or at least was good at coming up with interesting characters and concepts. I think he doesn't know how to properly put things into action though is a lot of his problem.

That pretty much sums up the prequels. Great characters, concepts and designs but average movies. But then they *were* only ever meant to be modern-day B-movies.

 

[Asta]

Intended to be blockbusting movies inspired by the Flash Gordon serials of 1936-40, the prequels actually turned out to replicate B-movies remarkably well due to their hilarious dialogue and bad acting.

The prequels serve only to make the original trilogy better. Which was also the fate of Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

Lucas' genius was in conceiving the idea, hitting the right moment, having the conviction to push ahead. He was at his best earlier on. By the late '90s he was both established enough and in command of the technology to do whatever he wanted. He could rework his films and work on new ones with little to no interference or, seemingly, creative guidance.

I've long regarded Lucas as an ideas man. His excesses need to be controlled, otherwise his work spirals out of control, and strays away from the source.

With the prequels and KOTCS I see more emphasis on spectacle than on character than is apparent in his earlier films. It's not until the very end of ROTS do I start to get the feeling that this new world is really connected to the old one.

 

[Prime Clone]

Well said. Maybe I set the bar too low, but all I ever wanted from the prequels was a back story for the OT, which they delivered.

 

[YankeesFanboy]

At least George gave us the first three, pre-SE.

 

[Wor-Gar]

At least George gave us the first three, pre-SE.

And "Raiders".

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

******* = friends!

You sure about that?

 

[bbl]

God i love you guys. I'm away for a few days and the thread is back to the old prequel discussion. Brings a smile to my face



Best,

Robert

 

[Captain Britain]

Well said. Maybe I set the bar too low, but all I ever wanted from the prequels was a back story for the OT, which they delivered.

I enjoyed the OT backstory better when I could make up my own.

 

[TaliBane]

I enjoyed the OT backstory better when I could make up my own.

It was pretty mysterious. There was so much conjecture during the OT years and that made it fun. Like between ESB and ROTJ the theories around Boba Fett were frenzied.

Despite the 5 hour opening battle and 5 hour lightsaber finale, a small handful of moments in ROTS started to feel right, mostly due to Ian McDiarmid's performance.

 

[jra81984]

a small handful of moments in ROTS started to feel right, mostly due to Ian McDiarmid's performance.

I have to disagree there. He was ridiculously over the top and somehow the makeup looked way worse than it did in the 80s. It all felt so bad.

 

[Prime Clone]

God i love you guys. I'm away for a few days and the thread is back to the old prequel discussion. Brings a smile to my face

Don't worry, we won't start debating whether Mace getting the upper hand was all part of Palpatine's plan (for the record, it wasn't).

 

[Wor-Gar]

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[Prime Clone]

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/pedantry

 

[airborn007]

Finally Hot Toys Stormtrooper, I'm sold just release ASAP. All I want left now is Hot Toys Sandtrooper and Boba Fett. Sorry, but just not a fan of Sideshow Star Wars.

 

[EXOTICLEX]

wait is this a stormtrooper or luke and han in disguise?

 

[TheSzar13]

wait is this a stormtrooper or luke and han in disguise?

hmmmm, the one does look shorter than the other...