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[TonTon]

Hot Toys - Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Luke Skywalker (Force Projection) - CONFIRMED

The X-wing serves 4 purposes. Whether they’re supposed to be clear in those purposes is another story.

1. How Luke got to Ach-to
2. Indicate he has no plans of leaving
3. Call back to training with Yoda (will they, won’t they lift it out) but then subvert expectations like the rest of the movie
4. Most importantly, create a plausible scenario by which Luke could have arrived to Crait. If it looks utterly smashed and destroyed his initial appearance would make no sense.

No way all of this isn’t what 90% of SW fans took away from it.

 

[xipotec]

Re: Hot Toys - Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Luke Skywalker (Force Projection) - CONFIRM

The X-wing serves 4 purposes. Whether they’re supposed to be clear in those purposes is another story.

1. How Luke got to Ach-to
2. Indicate he has no plans of leaving
3. Call back to training with Yoda (will they, won’t they lift it out) but then subvert expectations like the rest of the movie
4. Most importantly, create a plausible scenario by which Luke could have arrived to Crait. If it looks utterly smashed and destroyed his initial appearance would make no sense.

No way all of this isn’t what 90% of SW fans took away from it.

Bingo...


Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

 

[Star-Crunch]

Re: Hot Toys - Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Luke Skywalker (Force Projection) - CONFIRM

Sorry, I’m out of the loop. But now people are arguing over Luke’s X-Wing? Oh, SW fans, you never cease to amaze me

 

[Khev]

Re: Hot Toys - Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Luke Skywalker (Force Projection) - CONFIRM

I don't know that I'd consider anyone here as arguing per se. Giving differences of opinions and interpretations maybe but it's made for a fun conversation and read.

 

[Cagoda]

Re: Hot Toys - Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Luke Skywalker (Force Projection) - CONFIRM

This is surprisingly one of the better TLJ debate/discussion threads I’ve seen. Most others turn into heated vitriol.

 

[xipotec]

Re: Hot Toys - Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Luke Skywalker (Force Projection) - CONFIRM

Most of the “heated” stuff ended the same time a bunch of guys jumped ship from the forum.

I liked some of those guys but alot of them were trolls through and through....they basically came here to stir the pot.

Thats why all the SW TLJ discussions are much more civil now.




Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

 

[pixletwin]

Re: Hot Toys - Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Luke Skywalker (Force Projection) - CONFIRM

Most of the “heated” stuff ended the same time a bunch of guys jumped ship from the forum.

I liked some of those guys but alot of them were trolls through and through....they basically came here to stir the pot.

Thats why all the SW TLJ discussions are much more civil now.




Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

Yep. SW sections are having good and compelling discussions again.

 

[SilverStar17]

Re: Hot Toys - Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Luke Skywalker (Force Projection) - CONFIRM

The X-wing serves 4 purposes. Whether they’re supposed to be clear in those purposes is another story.

1. How Luke got to Ach-to
2. Indicate he has no plans of leaving
3. Call back to training with Yoda (will they, won’t they lift it out) but then subvert expectations like the rest of the movie
4. Most importantly, create a plausible scenario by which Luke could have arrived to Crait. If it looks utterly smashed and destroyed his initial appearance would make no sense.

No way all of this isn’t what 90% of SW fans took away from it.

The first thing Force ghost Yoda should have said in TLJ:

Still can’t get the ship out of the water, I see.

 

[xipotec]

Hot Toys - Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Luke Skywalker (Force Projection) - CONFIRMED

The first thing Force ghost Yoda should have said in TLJ:

Still can’t get the ship out of the water, I see.

LOL....

I wonder if thats a metaphor for something else Luke cant do....

Aaawwwe cannot get your ship out!
MUHeheheheheh

Sent from the inside of a giant slug in outer space.....

 

[TonTon]

Re: Hot Toys - Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Luke Skywalker (Force Projection) - CONFIRM

The first thing Force ghost Yoda should have said in TLJ:

Still can’t get the ship out of the water, I see.

Would have been classic Yoda.

 

[SilverStar17]

Re: Hot Toys - Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Luke Skywalker (Force Projection) - CONFIRM

You’re actually right.

I know it’s all for laughs here, but they really should have had him say something to that effect. You know, for laughs. It truly indeed would have been a typical, classic Yoda remark.

“Always with you it cannot be done.”

 

[Smash]

Re: Hot Toys - Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Luke Skywalker (Force Projection) - CONFIRM

I'm just hoping the proportions on this guy turn out better than the Ep 7 Luke.

The proto images of TLJ Luke look to have better sized boots at least, so that makes me hopeful that they're aware of the issue anyway lol. Hoping I can get my shelves set up before this is announced. Finding lighting that works is harder than I thought :X

 

[vito81]

Re: Hot Toys - Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Luke Skywalker (Force Projection) - CONFIRM

One month since HT teased us with this figure...

 

[TaliBane]

Re: Hot Toys - Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Luke Skywalker (Force Projection) - CONFIRM

And what would keep Kenobi and Yoda from using their Force ghosts the same way as holo-projections? What kept Obi-Wan's ghost from providing the same aid to Luke on Bespin (to use your own example)? Why didn't ghost Kenobi train Luke? Why didn't he use his ghost form to warn Luke of the Wampa? Couldn't Yoda's ghost have helped Luke avoid Palpatine's trap in ROTJ?

A ghost needs to do a "projection"? Isn't a ghost already a "(astral) projection"? Where did this idea of ghosts needing some new power to project themselves come from? Is that listed somewhere officially? That is SO silly. I mean think about it... it's like saying Slimer needs some new power to appear in the GB's firehouse, then hotel, then hot dog stand. I mean... he's a GHOST. All he does is project himself.

And until TLJ, Force Ghosts couldn't destroy physical things - it's another silly thing TLJ added. Yoda's lightning (as seen in TLJ) could indeed have saved Luke against the Emperor in ROTJ ( he might have been able to kill the Emperor, right?) Before TLJ, force ghosts were simply figures who appeared/spoke/disappeared - now they can summon lightning and destroy stuff. That's another can of worms.

But back to the first can of worms: very little makes sense about the idea of projection as seen onscreen in TLJ. Consider even the basics: we're told prolonged use of the ability results in the user's death, so you'd think the goal would be to do it for the bare minimum amount of time. Every second that ticks by while you're doing it, could be killing you, right?

So... WHY does Luke stop for a nice chat with Leia? That makes NO SENSE. Think about it - if he didn't stop to chat to her... it would have cut down his force projection time by 1/3 so it's possible he wouldn't have died. So... he wouldn't have had to say goodbye to her.

There is a reason why LFL has officially left force projection as very vague. Because even Pablo can't make it make sense.

I can't help but perceive the TLJ objections as tinged with a double-standard. Am I wrong?

YES!

One month since HT teased us with this figure...

There's just no telling what HT will not put up anymore. I mean I'm getting worried about leia Bespin because it didn't go up straight after the show. How is it that Luke Endor and Leia Endor still haven't gone up?

 

[TaliBane]

Re: Hot Toys - Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Luke Skywalker (Force Projection) - CONFIRM

It only means that it was from the underside.
We know Luke must have gotten there in THAT x wing. He’s the only Jedi who flew one and he’s the ONLY person on the island. We also know that NO-ONE else knew he was there except the small piece of the map. So it only points to the fact the door came from a part of the x wing we can’t see. The bottom wings.

The markings don't match though. The submerged fighter has no marks, only chevrons (and wing markings are same top and bottom on an x-wing.) The door has both chevrons and marks.

The X-wing serves 4 purposes. Whether they’re supposed to be clear in those purposes is another story.

1. How Luke got to Ach-to
2. Indicate he has no plans of leaving
3. Call back to training with Yoda (will they, won’t they lift it out) but then subvert expectations like the rest of the movie
4. Most importantly, create a plausible scenario by which Luke could have arrived to Crait. If it looks utterly smashed and destroyed his initial appearance would make no sense.

No way all of this isn’t what 90% of SW fans took away from it.

Yeah, this is what I've been saying since the start - the x-wing is NOT supposed to appear wrecked/inoperable in the movie. It's supposed to leave the question in your mind - could Luke raise it and fly it later?

If they had wanted it to appear wrecked, it would have been really clear (crashed at bottom of cliff, wings missing, huge holes in fuselage etc.)

 

[ajp4mgs]

Re: Hot Toys - Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Luke Skywalker (Force Projection) - CONFIRM

A ghost needs to do a "projection"? Isn't a ghost already a "(astral) projection"? Where did this idea of ghosts needing some new power to project themselves come from? Is that listed somewhere officially? That is SO silly. I mean think about it... it's like saying Slimer needs some new power to appear in the GB's firehouse, then hotel, then hot dog stand. I mean... he's a GHOST. All he does is project himself.

And until TLJ, Force Ghosts couldn't destroy physical things - it's another silly thing TLJ added. Yoda's lightning (as seen in TLJ) could indeed have saved Luke against the Emperor in ROTJ ( he might have been able to kill the Emperor, right?) Before TLJ, force ghosts were simply figures who appeared/spoke/disappeared - now they can summon lightning and destroy stuff. That's another can of worms.

But back to the first can of worms: very little makes sense about the idea of projection as seen onscreen in TLJ. Consider even the basics: we're told prolonged use of the ability results in the user's death, so you'd think the goal would be to do it for the bare minimum amount of time. Every second that ticks by while you're doing it, could be killing you, right?

So... WHY does Luke stop for a nice chat with Leia? That makes NO SENSE. Think about it - if he didn't stop to chat to her... it would have cut down his force projection time by 1/3 so it's possible he wouldn't have died. So... he wouldn't have had to say goodbye to her.

There is a reason why LFL has officially left force projection as very vague. Because even Pablo can't make it make sense.

The Force ghost manifestation had no on-screen explanation whatsoever until ROTS, when Yoda tells Kenobi that Qui-Gon has discovered how to communicate with the living world from beyond it. If Qui-Gon was the first to learn it (after multiple generations had come and gone), then it's obviously a learned skill - and an elusive (thereby likely difficult to master) one. Add that to that fact that only Jedi seem capable of it (unless Han gets one), and it becomes a Jedi ability. Like a Force projection.

Also, nothing indicates that Luke only died because of the prolonged use of the projection. In fact, Kylo telling Rey that the effort would kill her (after mere seconds) suggests that casting the projection itself is what requires a fatal amount of effort/energy. As I hinted at before (semi-jokingly), the Force projection can be easily defined going forward as being so difficult to even generate in the first place that the effort takes a deadly toll. Luke's holding onto it for so long could also be explained as a sharing of "life energy" between the real and projected versions of him; and when the projection ends, the real version is left drained in the material world. Or, LFL can just leave Force projecting undefined or incredibly vague . . . like Force ghosts.

But I completely agree with you about Yoda's ghost summoning the lightning bolt in the physical world. Bad idea that did indeed open up way too big of a can of worms. I'm still surprised that Johnson didn't understand the implications of that well enough to avoid including it.

 

[pixletwin]

Re: Hot Toys - Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Luke Skywalker (Force Projection) - CONFIRM

I thought Yoda hitting Luke with his cane was more of a problem than the lightning.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Re: Hot Toys - Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Luke Skywalker (Force Projection) - CONFIRM

I thought Yoda hitting Luke with his cane was more of a problem than the lightning.

Well, in ROTJ, Kenobi sits on a log to talk to Luke - so maybe the Force ghosts do have some physical "presence" about them (and that could include Yoda's cane since it appears with his spirit form). Otherwise, Kenobi taking a seat to speak with Luke just seems peculiar.

Although most likely unintentional, Kenobi also disturbs hanging vines when his ghost first walks onto the scene in ROTJ. So, there was precedence for Force ghosts having physical interactions as far back as 1983.

Here's a clip of the spirit Obi-Wan scene from ROTJ:

 

[.Yo.]

Re: Hot Toys - Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Luke Skywalker (Force Projection) - CONFIRM

There's also this.

 

[Khev]

Re: Hot Toys - Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Luke Skywalker (Force Projection) - CONFIRM

I don't have a problem with Yoda calling lightning or bopping Luke on the head. I see it as the Star Wars equivalent of divine providence. You just have to assume that there's a higher plan or order that doesn't allow constant physical meddling in mortal affairs. Did anyone ask why Valeria didn't stay and help Conan fight every single battle after her spirit appeared? Nah. That's just not how these stories go.