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169.00 for the 1:6 endo but I also have connor and Marcus on pre order as well so I might break the bank. well worth it tho. :)

I like Connor for the outfit, but I think the head doesn't look like like Bale.The custom commissioned one has a great likeness though.
I think the only one I'll be getting is Marcus
 
Really? I thought it really captured his likeness. When I saw the Marcus I HAD to get it too. I have always been a fan of the films so this was just the next step. but I couldnt tell you the difference between the T-600 and T-700??? However I do know Arnold was a T-800 :lol Im learning.
 
I like Connor for the outfit, but I think the head doesn't look like like Bale.The custom commissioned one has a great likeness though.
I think the only one I'll be getting is Marcus

Takara Batman doesn't look a thing like Bale, it looks like Val Kilmer. Did you get a custom made head for yours?
 
Didn't you read my post, Morbo's post, and Sachiel's post 2 pages back? We were talking about the TS Companion book...

And if I recall correctly, you're the one that wanted to drop the T-700/T-800 debate, why are you bringing it up again?

Didn't you read the post you quoted? You ask why, and the explanation is right there. No, I didn't read every single friggin post in this long thread before commenting on the Companion book. Sorry, I didn't realize you already got the scoop. Bravo.

Based on the movie, I stand by my previous argument, but the Companion spells it out pretty clearly. Don't agree with it, but I'll deal with my new Endo having a 700 name tag.
 
Ummm I thought this thread was about the T-600? my mistake.

The thread title reads "T-600 & T-700", but I didn't know there was a statute of limitations on talking about the "T-700" part. My mistake.


Didn't you read the post you quoted? You ask why, and the explanation is right there. No, I didn't read every single friggin post in this long thread before commenting on the Companion book. Sorry, I didn't realize you already got the scoop. Bravo.

Based on the movie, I stand by my previous argument, but the Companion spells it out pretty clearly. Don't agree with it, but I'll deal with my new Endo having a 700 name tag.


The only reason those 800 skulls have that texture is because McG wanted the movie to look and feel gritty. The design team added a bit of texture to the endos so they didn't feel alien to the rest of the machines in the movie. The original designs for the 700s never even made it to the screen.

Besides, why would Skynet be making 700s when she's got a naked 800 walking around? This is an alternate timeline future. This is not Kyle's original experience.

Nothing to see here. Please move along.

You're right. Please move along.
 
Despite McG and Laing's efforts, and their apparent presence in TS, I still don't believe in 700s for the original timeline. If I get these figures, and I will, I think I will justify them according to my ideal timeline and change the name plates on them so the the 700 is a 600, and the 600 is a 400. That fits my impression better for what Kyle was describing in the first movie. He never mentioned 400s or 700s, but I can believe these 600s may be what a 400 could have looked like, and the 600s (700s) were only different from the 8s because of rubber skin.
 
Despite McG and Laing's efforts, and their apparent presence in TS, I still don't believe in 700s for the original timeline. If I get these figures, and I will, I think I will justify them according to my ideal timeline and change the name plates on them so the the 700 is a 600, and the 600 is a 400. That fits my impression better for what Kyle was describing in the first movie. He never mentioned 400s or 700s, but I can believe these 600s may be what a 400 could have looked like, and the 600s (700s) were only different from the 8s because of rubber skin.

:eek: T-400's, T-600's, T-700's, T-800's. Almost make a man go cross-eyed if think about it too long. Leave it to a damn machine to create so many T's to confuse everyone.

I'll keep my T-700, T-800 amd wait on my T-600 and Marcus and call it a day. A Judgement Day :horror
 
Really? I thought it really captured his likeness. When I saw the Marcus I HAD to get it too. I have always been a fan of the films so this was just the next step. but I couldnt tell you the difference between the T-600 and T-700??? However I do know Arnold was a T-800 :lol Im learning.

agreed :duff I love the connor. The diff between the t600 and t700 is the t600 is a tank :lol its the big ugly one and the t700 is the smaller one. You'll love, the movie you have to get Marcus :D You actually got me wanting him and then I saw the movie and had to have it :lol
 
Thanks Morbach, it can get a bit confusing. All the debate about the endos and I get lost. :lol Theres a lot of differing opinions about which is better the T-600 or T-700 and Im just not sure.
 
Despite McG and Laing's efforts, and their apparent presence in TS, I still don't believe in 700s for the original timeline. If I get these figures, and I will, I think I will justify them according to my ideal timeline and change the name plates on them so the the 700 is a 600, and the 600 is a 400. That fits my impression better for what Kyle was describing in the first movie. He never mentioned 400s or 700s, but I can believe these 600s may be what a 400 could have looked like, and the 600s (700s) were only different from the 8s because of rubber skin.

But, T-600's have rubber skin, as mentioned by reese, the T-700's will never have a skin of any kind! Rubber or flesh or over wise! So T-600's are T-600's and so on...
 
I don't believe Kyle Reese (or James Camerson) in '84 meant that 600s looked anything like these. He described them as infiltrators too, the only problem being that they had rubber skin. There is no way that McG's 600s were infiltrators. You'd have to be so far away from one to think it was human that the rubber mask isn't even necessary. So, to me, a true 600 is what the 700 is, and it would have had full rubber body, not just some stupid mask that would fool anybody. What was the point of that in this movie anyway? To me they blew the whole 600 concept.

the T-700's will never have a skin of any kind! Rubber or flesh or over wise!

Says who? Why, do you suppose, would Skynet make a bunch of T-700s and never skin them? Oh, right, cause Cameron's Skynet didn't have odd integered series Terminators, only 600, 800, and 1000. McG can suck it for not paying more attention to details.
 
I don't believe Kyle Reese (or James Camerson) in '84 meant that 600s looked anything like these. He described them as infiltrators too, the only problem being that they had rubber skin. There is no way that McG's 600s were infiltrators. You'd have to be so far away from one to think it was human that the rubber mask isn't even necessary. So, to me, a true 600 is what the 700 is, and it would have had full rubber body, not just some stupid mask that would fool anybody. What was the point of that in this movie anyway? To me they blew the whole 600 concept.

Says who? Why, do you suppose, would Skynet make a bunch of T-700s and never skin them? Oh, right, cause Cameron's Skynet didn't have odd integered series Terminators, only 600, 800, and 1000. McG can suck it for not paying more attention to details.

You forgot the rest of Kyle's quote, "They were easy to spot!" I'd say the 7ft, hulking T-600s with rubber skin fit that statement. All someone would have to do is mistakenly call out to one and it could follow them back to their hide like it did with Marcus.

Also, let's think about that for a second. This is software building machines. Why the hell would it skip from 600, to 800 and then to 1000?! It's a mathematical process that started at T-1, so naturally, after 600s, there'd be 601s, 602s, etc, and 700s, 701s, 702s, etc. until the model numbers match the machines we saw in Cameron's stuff. The T-800s (CSM Model 101) were all fleshed "Arnolds" including the slimmed down 800 version, the T-850 from T3 which further proves this point, unless you're gonna play "nya nya" and stick your thumbs in your ears and pretend it didn't happen.
 
All right, you asked for it. Get comfy, this is going to be a long one, but worth the read. BTW, I'm very much enjoying this discussion, so don't take anything I say as though I'm irritated or anything.

You forgot the rest of Kyle's quote, "They were easy to spot!" I'd say the 7ft, hulking T-600s with rubber skin fit that statement. All someone would have to do is mistakenly call out to one and it could follow them back to their hide like it did with Marcus.

The exact quote is, "The 600 series had rubber skin; we spotted them easy, but these are new, they look human..."

He didn't say, "The 600 series had rubber skin and were as big as the Incredible Hulk; we spotted them easy 100 yards away."

"It's an infiltration unit," Kyle said. You know what the definition of infiltrate is, right? Here is dictionary.com's 4th definition.

4. to pass a small number of (soldiers, spies, or the like) into a territory or organization clandestinely and with hostile or subversive intent-

How the hell is the McG 600 going to do that? No friggin' way. But according to Kyle, the 600 was also an infiltration unit. The only difference mentioned between the 600 and the 800 is rubber skin which didn't allow the Terminators to effectively enough do their job, and real skin grown for the cyborgs (800s) which was so effective it that could only be spotted as a fake by dogs.

I mean, seriously, you watched the origin movie, right?

Also, let's think about that for a second. This is software building machines. Why the hell would it skip from 600, to 800 and then to 1000?! It's a mathematical process that started at T-1, so naturally, after 600s, there'd be 601s, 602s, etc, and 700s, 701s, 702s, etc. until the model numbers match the machines we saw in Cameron's stuff. The T-800s (CSM Model 101) were all fleshed "Arnolds" including the slimmed down 800 version, the T-850 from T3 which further proves this point, unless you're gonna play "nya nya" and stick your thumbs in your ears and pretend it didn't happen.

First, T3 doesn't factor in for two reasons. It was never part of Cameron's vision, and the timeline had already been altered, so that has nothing to do with Kyle's account of things, or my argument based on his account. So, yeah, a big "nya nya" to T-850s, but I can accept it for the alternate timeline.

I don't have a good excuse for why Cameron went from 600 to 800 to 1000, but he, the man behind the vision, did. I'm just going off of what info he has provided. Ford doesn't go around naming their trucks the F-150, the F-151, F-152, F-153, do they? No, they go 150, 250, 350, 450, all the way up to 800 (oddly enough). https://www.fleet-trucks.com/ And don't argue that just because Ford went every hundred that Cyberdyne must. Manufacturers only go with the number representing significantly newer, or different version. They don't mass produce every incarnation in the design's evolutionary process. When a significant change is made, you call it a new series.

Aside from that, Skynet didn't design the Terminators, it just built them and gave them the AI to operate effectively. In the original timeline, Cyberdyne, run by humans, designed them before Skynet became self aware. Otherwise it would not be refered to by Kyle as, "Cyberdyne Systems Model 101". It would likely have no designation at all if Skynet came up with it. It would just be another Hunter Killer like the Tank or Aerial, but perhaps refered to as the humanoid HK. And if you doubt that logic, remember that Cyberdyne had the Endo arm and the chip. They could easily have come up with it for future use as a super soldier before Judgement Day, but not been able to make it work. Skynet would have been able to though, and it did for use as infiltrators (and field soldiers closer to the end of the war when the resistance was getting physically close to winning).

One of the things I did really like about T3 in regard to the original timeline is that it had a deleted scene that suggests that the Terminator was in the prototype stages. Remember the deleted scene with Sgt. Candy (Arnold)? Alternate timeline, but it could have happened a lot like that.
 
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All right, you asked for it. Get comfy, this is going to be a long one, but worth the read. BTW, I'm very much enjoying this discussion, so don't take anything I say as though I'm irritated or anything.



The exact quote is, "The 600 series had rubber skin; we spotted them easy, but these are new, they look human..."

He didn't say, "The 600 series had rubber skin and were as big as the Incredible Hulk; we spotted them easy 100 yards away."

"It's an infiltration unit," Kyle said. You know what the definition of infiltrate is, right? Here is dictionary.com's 4th definition.

4. to pass a small number of (soldiers, spies, or the like) into a territory or organization clandestinely and with hostile or subversive intent-

How the hell is the McG 600 going to do that? No friggin' way. But according to Kyle, the 600 was also an infiltration unit. The only difference mentioned between the 600 and the 800 is rubber skin which didn't allow the Terminators to effectively enough do their job, and real skin grown for the cyborgs (800s) which was so effective it that could only be spotted as a fake by dogs.

I mean, seriously, you watched the origin movie, right?



First, T3 doesn't factor in for two reasons. It was never part of Cameron's vision, and the timeline had already been altered, so that has nothing to do with Kyle's account of things, or my argument based on his account. So, yeah, a big "nya nya" to T-850s, but I can accept it for the alternate timeline.

I don't have a good excuse for why Cameron went from 600 to 800 to 1000, but he, the man behind the vision, did. I'm just going off of what info he has provided. Ford doesn't go around naming their trucks the F-150, the F-151, F-152, F-153, do they? No, they go 150, 250, 350, 450, all the way up to 800 (oddly enough). https://www.fleet-trucks.com/ And don't argue that just because Ford went every hundred that Cyberdyne must. Manufacturers only go with the number representing significantly newer, or different version. They don't mass produce every incarnation in the design's evolutionary process. When a significant change is made, you call it a new series.

Aside from that, Skynet didn't design the Terminators, it just built them and gave them the AI to operate effectively. In the original timeline, Cyberdyne, run by humans, designed them before Skynet became self aware. Otherwise it would not be refered to by Kyle as, "Cyberdyne Systems Model 101". It would likely have no designation at all if Skynet came up with it. It would just be another Hunter Killer like the Tank or Aerial, but perhaps refered to as the humanoid HK. And if you doubt that logic, remember that Cyberdyne had the Endo arm and the chip. They could easily have come up with it as a super soldier, but not been able to make it work. Skynet would have been able to though, but would have repurposed it.

One of the things I did really like about T3 in regard to the original timeline is that it had a deleted scene that suggests that the Terminator was in the prototype stages. Remember the deleted scene with Sgt. Candy (Arnold)? Alternate timeline, but it could have happened a lot like that.

Gotta love Sgt. Candy :lol
 
Gotta love Sgt. Candy :lol

You quoted his entire post to make that comment? here you go...you've earned it..

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All right, you asked for it. Get comfy, this is going to be a long one, but worth the read. BTW, I'm very much enjoying this discussion, so don't take anything I say as though I'm irritated or anything.



The exact quote is, "The 600 series had rubber skin; we spotted them easy, but these are new, they look human..."

He didn't say, "The 600 series had rubber skin and were as big as the Incredible Hulk; we spotted them easy 100 yards away."

"It's an infiltration unit," Kyle said. You know what the definition of infiltrate is, right? Here is dictionary.com's 4th definition.

4. to pass a small number of (soldiers, spies, or the like) into a territory or organization clandestinely and with hostile or subversive intent-

How the hell is the McG 600 going to do that? No friggin' way. But according to Kyle, the 600 was also an infiltration unit. The only difference mentioned between the 600 and the 800 is rubber skin which didn't allow the Terminators to effectively enough do their job, and real skin grown for the cyborgs (800s) which was so effective it that could only be spotted as a fake by dogs.

I mean, seriously, you watched the origin movie, right?



First, T3 doesn't factor in for two reasons. It was never part of Cameron's vision, and the timeline had already been altered, so that has nothing to do with Kyle's account of things, or my argument based on his account. So, yeah, a big "nya nya" to T-850s, but I can accept it for the alternate timeline.

I don't have a good excuse for why Cameron went from 600 to 800 to 1000, but he, the man behind the vision, did. I'm just going off of what info he has provided. Ford doesn't go around naming their trucks the F-150, the F-151, F-152, F-153, do they? No, they go 150, 250, 350, 450, all the way up to 800 (oddly enough). https://www.fleet-trucks.com/ And don't argue that just because Ford went every hundred that Cyberdyne must. Manufacturers only go with the number representing significantly newer, or different version. They don't mass produce every incarnation in the design's evolutionary process. When a significant change is made, you call it a new series.

Aside from that, Skynet didn't design the Terminators, it just built them and gave them the AI to operate effectively. In the original timeline, Cyberdyne, run by humans, designed them before Skynet became self aware. Otherwise it would not be refered to by Kyle as, "Cyberdyne Systems Model 101". It would likely have no designation at all if Skynet came up with it. It would just be another Hunter Killer like the Tank or Aerial, but perhaps refered to as the humanoid HK. And if you doubt that logic, remember that Cyberdyne had the Endo arm and the chip. They could easily have come up with it for future use as a super soldier before Judgement Day, but not been able to make it work. Skynet would have been able to though, and it did for use as infiltrators (and field soldiers closer to the end of the war when the resistance was getting physically close to winning).

One of the things I did really like about T3 in regard to the original timeline is that it had a deleted scene that suggests that the Terminator was in the prototype stages. Remember the deleted scene with Sgt. Candy (Arnold)? Alternate timeline, but it could have happened a lot like that.

So if your Terminator world closed with T2, why are you even bothering to pop into threads related to films afterward? Your T-600 argument is weak as the 600s still fit the description of Kyle's statement: "The 600 series had rubber skin; we spotted them easy..." :huh

As for the "Ford" reference, well, let's talk about a more relevant comparison, something built for the Airforce (who actually purchased Skynet and contracted Cyberdine Systems - that hasn't changed), like fighter planes. Hmm, F1 & F2 experimental aircrafts, F3 Tornado, F4 Phantom, F5 Freedom Fighter, F6 Lightning... (look up this gap yourself, I got lazy, same as Cameron :p), F14 Tomcat, F15 Eagle, F16 Falcon, F17 (was a redesignated F16 variant), F18 Hornet, F19 (still classified), F20 Tigershark, F21 Kfir, and the newest, the F22 Raptor. Same goes for their B-series bombers and their C-series cargo planes. I don't believe that Skynet would've designated any differently with the T-series Terminators.

As to the Endos, we see, even in Cameron's movies, that the facilities that build the Terminators are fully automated, robots building robots. So if that's the case, and if the software became self aware and attempted to kill off humanity to save itself, it's not a huge leap to assume that it's making it's own upgrades which we also see in Salvation, to further prevent humans from pulling the plug.

Also found this to counter your "it was never part of Cameron's vision" comment. The man's own words contradict you:
After T3 was released, Cameron would go on record as saying he "never planned on doing a 3rd film, because the story was finished with T2." This conflicts with comments he made during the making of the Universal Studios ride T2 3-D: Battle Across Time, in which he stated that it was a "stepping stone to a third theatrical production." This comment can be seen on "The Making of T2 3D" as an extra on the T2 Ultimate Edition DVD.
Here's the link: https://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Terminator_3:_Rise_of_the_Machines

And wasn't Sgt. Candy more of an intentional blooper than a deleted scene they shot for inclusion in the film? :lol
 
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