Hot Toys Terminator 2 1:6 T-800

[MaulFan]

I think the poll failed them. There's more money to be had on the T1 license, especially with TS out now. Plus, it would've garnered even more attention to the inevitable T2 license which, sadly, I don't think we'll see a Conner from. They've yet to debut a smaller body.

I think the poll was just for fun, I don't think they're designing their plan around it, I fully expect, especially because of licensing, the Terminator line to be handled just like Aliens and Predator, especially since, despite quality issues, they already did T1 once. We'll get T2, then T3, and end with T1, if T5 doesn't happen before then.

I'm hoping they'll work something out with Sideshow to use the hobbit body, or design their own, and use it for Connor, with all the unique bodies they're doing lately, I think it coudl serve them to have one that can be a teen or whatever.

 

[Deckard]

Honestly put me in the camp that doesn't see a problem with a retool.

I mean as long as it looked alot like the character already I don't see the big deal, people don't change that much at that age in there facial structure. Its not like he had head reconsructive surgery like Gary Busey.

But yea I would also count on w/e you ultimately see here being reused on the final battle version with simply half the face replaced by an Endo.

 

[thenammagazine]

I think the poll was just for fun, I don't think they're designing their plan around it, I fully expect, especially because of licensing, the Terminator line to be handled just like Aliens and Predator, especially since, despite quality issues, they already did T1 once. We'll get T2, then T3, and end with T1, if T5 doesn't happen before then.

I'm hoping they'll work something out with Sideshow to use the hobbit body, or design their own, and use it for Connor, with all the unique bodies they're doing lately, I think it coudl serve them to have one that can be a teen or whatever.

Not so sure about that. From what I've seen (and collected), HotToys has a nasty habit of milking a license for the main two (and in a very few cases, three) characters and then moving on, or offering umpteen updated variations of the same main star. T2 would garner a T800, T1000, BD T800 and probably end-battle T800 before they produced a BS T800 DX with all the heads and moved on to T3 for a T850 and TX. Sarah wouldn't sell as well as any of the previous despite being on their female TT, and John would sell even worse.

 

[Deckard]

I'd actually be surprised if we get anything but Arnold variants from T2, and maybe, Maybe a Reese from T1 since its a figure they did in the past.

 

[MaulFan]

As far as Arnold's potrait, the raw features are the same during the T1-T2 era of his life, which Predator fell into, but, his weight and build did fluctuate from film to film and even within films. Watching Predator with commentary on, Arnold lost quite a bit of weight from the conditions in the jungle, so early in the film, his face was plumper looking than towards the end. I'm not sure if it was the same case, but even in T2, his size changes. His bulk when they arrive at Enrique's place looks significantly larger than early on, like when he's explaining to John about what the T-1000 is and John decides to go after his mom.

Retooling or reusing a portrait isn't necessrily a bad thing, if A) you get it right the first time, and B) the two portraits should look alike. Theory is, while different, the DX Joker sculpt is a rework of the BR sculpt, with some changes and improvements. Being that they're from the same film, I don't see a big deal their, ultimately the heads should look fairly alike.

If they build up Terminator heads from the Dutch head, that's ok with me, so long as the final result looks like his portrait from the film it's supposed to represent, because he looks different enough in T1, T2 and Predator.

 

[Voorhees27]

While looking at the Dutch sculpt I can see a T-800 there minus the hair (even the hair is close). I too see no biggie in reworking a previous sculpt ........... especially since it was both awesome and almost identical to Arnolds look in both films. I just hope HT's gets rid of the 2 piece sculpt/neck post unless its necessary. I love the one piece type.

Heres hoping Wookster has detailed pics before the end of the month.

 

[MaulFan]

The only thing I am concerned about with this figure from the initial photo is the body. sculpt looks fine, clothes look fine, I am nervous about what body they're using and what functionality it'll have.

 

[thenammagazine]

Retooling or reusing a portrait isn't necessrily a bad thing, if A) you get it right the first time, and B) the two portraits should look alike. Theory is, while different, the DX Joker sculpt is a rework of the BR sculpt, with some changes and improvements. Being that they're from the same film, I don't see a big deal their, ultimately the heads should look fairly alike.

If they build up Terminator heads from the Dutch head, that's ok with me, so long as the final result looks like his portrait from the film it's supposed to represent, because he looks different enough in T1, T2 and Predator.

The main problem with the Dutch head, again, is that while the likeness is there, that's not debatable, it's still more smooshed whereas Arnold's features are longer. I'd hope they fix that instead of just building onto it. From the top of the ears to the bottom of the nose needs to be lengthened.

The only thing I am concerned about with this figure from the initial photo is the body. sculpt looks fine, clothes look fine, I am nervous about what body they're using and what functionality it'll have.

I agree. While handsdown I'd prefer sculpted to rubber, if they were using the rubber bodies, the Dutch body would be perfect for a T1 or TS T800. T2 and T3 would be better using the Krauser body (with hopefully modified arms - not bigger, just adding the shoulder articulation).

 

[Voorhees27]

Well after seeing that special TT with the leg clip-on extensions I wouldn't be surprised if they end up using a basic TT with bulk extensions. So if thats the case you should be able to achieve most poses. I would prefer it this way ............. either that or something similar to the new Wolverine body. That was you can display him with skin torn arm too.

 

[MaulFan]

Thing that has me nervous with the body is how beefy his chest looks, the only body that's been known publicly from HT with that sort of build is the Dutch body, which I hope isn't the case. It's be cool if it was like a mix of the Dutch and Wolverine bodies, use a beefy outter rubber layer for the torso like Wolverine, molded from the Dutch sculpt, but then have the arms be a pure, jointed, hard plastic design so you can really pose them.

 

[Platty]

All the talk over if it is the Dutch head or not, I wouldn't really class is as complaining anyway? It's just a bunch of eagle-eyed collectors trying to figure out if it's one thing or another. Nothin' wrong with that. I'd class it as pretty good discussion, unless of course i've missed something!!

It's different to if everyone was slating the headsculpt based off the initial picure, because that would be unfair with the lack of official images. Don't think anyone has said they don't like the sculpt!

Reading through the last couple of pages it seems the thread has been derailed for no reason!

Don't think people are ungrateful, they clearly state how happy they are that HT are doing a T2 Arnold figure and also state that for as dear as the figure will be, you wouldn't expect a head taken from another figure and modified for use on the new figure. Even if it is a good likeness.

Anyways...I really hope HT develop some new type of body for this figure. Such a big character as Arnie T2 would warrant it imo. We've seen how good the Wolverine body is, hopefully it's the same for Arnie.

Wouldn't really feel the need for a rubber body tbh, maybe they might take the new TT with the muscle pieces on and push that even further to make a body of Arnold's size while retaining poseability. That would be ace.

 

[thenammagazine]

I look at HotToys fanatics like members of the Manson family. They get nearly psychotic and threaten to murder your family when you bring up potential flaws, or negative aspects in/about HT products...

 

[Voorhees27]

What!

 

[Deckard]

I look at HotToys fanatics like members of the Manson family. They get nearly psychotic and threaten to murder your family when you bring up potential flaws, or negative aspects in/about HT products...

So that would make you... Roman Polanski?

I actually ended up selling most of my HT figures pretty quickly in light of making room for Bros. Productions and other figures that most consider to be "crap".

 

[thenammagazine]

So that would make you... Roman Polanski?

I actually ended up selling most of my HT figures pretty quickly in light of making room for Bros. Productions and other figures that most consider to be "crap".

No, quite simply it'd make me a realist. Every single company has flaws. These flaws should be weighed against pricepoints. Additionally products with non-comparable pricepoints should not be compared, unless the lesser in price is superior to the higher valued collectible.

As for the Bros. Prod. figures, I can't make a funny quirk about it because I have absolutely no idea what they are.

 

[Deckard]

As for the Bros. Prod. figures, I can't make a funny quirk about it because I have absolutely no idea what they are.

Like the Dirty Harry, Subway Jack Torrance etc.

And I actually have 10 Sideshow figures, 4 hot toys, and 4 of those smaller ebay company figures.

My Preorders, I have 6 Sideshow items, 1 hot toys, So I'm far from a so called fanatic, but that doesn't change the fact their the best 1/6 company around.

So if your not even going to give them a chance to present their figure properly, I'll happily defend them knowing their track record of changing things vs SS, hows that Firefly petition coming?

 

[thenammagazine]

Like the Dirty Harry, Subway Jack Torrance etc.

And I actually have 10 Sideshow figures, 4 hot toys, and 4 of those smaller ebay company figures.

My Preorders, I have 6 Sideshow items, 1 hot toys, So I'm far from a so called fanatic, but that doesn't change the fact their the best 1/6 company around.

See, I dunno. The Enterbay GOD Lee is ****ing awesome and is the reason you now see HT figures with moving eyes, sculpted muscles, etc. But for $400 I expect him to be. Collecting just about everything, I can tell you each company has their strengths and weaknesses as well as their treasures and turds. Again, it all depends on the price and what I'm getting for my money.

Personally, I felt the Billy figure was a turd for what he cost. Then on top of the bare bones figure with poor articulation (reused muscle body) and shoddy likeness (why didn't they choose someone who would approve them using the face? There were many others to choose from), we get... busting wrist pegs. I hear people whine at Sideshow for the flaws on a WIP and relatively new body, but to get busting wrist pegs from a company that's been utilizing the same damn pegs on their figures for several years.... at that pricepoint, it's unacceptable.

 

[MANDO]

"Now, listen to me very carefully."

 

[MaulFan]

This thread is not the place for bickering over who spends what on what, or who's more right or wrong about what they spend money on or do or don't accept about the things they look at buying. This thread is to discuss Hot Toys' Terminator 2 figure and potential line, check the grudges at the door before you post in here.

 

[EVILFACE]

Then you should edit the whole thread then instead of select posts.