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Well, haunted or not, the theatre is really beautiful. They've shown films like Jaws, Raiders of the Lost Ark, and Godfather in the past and it's just really cool when they play the old film reels of these movies I've loved so much all my life but only ever had the chance to see on VHS or DVD. They play old movie trailers and cartoons before the movie starts as well which is also really cool.
 
Skiman, I was thinking the exact same thing. Was going to post a 1.21 gigawatts comment!

Speaking of Back to the Future, I was able to see it this past Friday on the big screen in the Genesee Theatre. It's a really cool place, supposedly haunted, and has been around since 1927. They're showing Alien and Aliens in July and I'm hoping they show Terminator some day.

Here's a pic of the place:

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Damn that's beautiful.
 
Greatest failure imo:
T1 (that being your bible´s right) established that the eletric field caused by the human flesh is needed to successfully transport a Terminator to it´s destination and because it´s only fanfic that the T-1000 was covered in skin makes the transport of the T-1000 a complete failure cause he´s 100% metal, or more technologically acurate for the time: nanotechnology.

Yeah but thats excusable. You could say the T-1000 is able to simulate the external lifeforce of an organism when it mimics its living tissue. Hes just very very advanced...possibly using alien tech.

And you guys are seriously considering a Termrinator/Predator Crossover where Dutch is the actual human counterpart where Skynet took the Skin for the 101?

...why not?
 
Yeah but thats excusable. You could say the T-1000 is able to simulate the external lifeforce of an organism when it mimics its living tissue. Hes just very very advanced...possibly using alien tech.



...why not?

Because it's lame, silly and makes absolutely no sense? :huh Rather than the metalpolyalocrap the T-1000's made from being alien tech, it's perfectly believable to say it's a core surrounded with nanotech that can replicate/digitally clone DNA to mimic the appearance of a person/object. As for Dutch being the model of the T-800, that's even a bit too fanboy for my tastes and really, unnecessary. I'm certain that if/when the two T:S sequels are shot, we'll learn how and why the Arnie likeness came into being.
 
Because it's lame, silly and makes absolutely no sense? :huh Rather than the metalpolyalocrap the T-1000's made from being alien tech, it's perfectly believable to say it's a core surrounded with nanotech that can replicate/digitally clone DNA to mimic the appearance of a person/object. As for Dutch being the model of the T-800, that's even a bit too fanboy for my tastes and really, unnecessary. I'm certain that if/when the two T:S sequels are shot, we'll learn how and why the Arnie likeness came into being.

For T-1000 that certainly goes. It´s a new theory, concerning the core, but it´s what I said but for Dutch/101...maybe it´s bit rude but that´s my reason, too.
It goes like AvPvT, with those Alien/Terminator hybrids.
That´ just too much...

In terms of the look, ok...with Dutch and all, but not with the story, original Judgment Day and so on...
 
the T-1, first ever Terminator, is a state-of-the-art machine in T3

Despite the name, I prefer to think of those as the first Hunter-Killers. What the "T" stands for in that case is unknown; perhaps Tank-series 1. I think the Terminator line would start with 100, kinda like the way Ford has the F series: (quoted from Wiki) The F-Series was redesigned for 1953 with a more integrated look. The pickups also acquired their now familiar names: The F-1 now became the F-100, the F-2 now became the F-250, and the F-3 now became the 1 ton F-350.

Where I would be vague on it is exactly how and to what extent he would come to participate in the project or indeed who he'd be dealing with - cyberdyne according to T1-verse or CRS according to T3-verse. I'm also vague on how you get the living tissue aspect

I'm not sure I would actually appreciate the connection between the two franchises if they really did it, but for the sake of discussion:

I imagine that his involvement comes after Cyberdyne already has military contracts, and perhaps after they are given access to the alien technology research, with which Dutch may certainly be involved. One of Cyberdyne's development team members sees big 'ol Dutch and imagines the secret Endoskeleton project hiding inside him.

As far as cloning the flesh, the innevitable 800 series may be something they would want to do down the road, but are unable to accomplish before the War. Skynet itself develops this ability much later as needed when the 600 series, pioneered by Cyberdyne with Dutch's help, fails to be a successful enough infiltrator toward the end of the war. Remember, according to Kyle, the "Terminators (800s) are the newest, the worst."

Again, T3's CRS doesn't factor in because the original timeline followed T1 exclusively.

Also considering that Predator 2 takes place in 1997, the original year of Judgment day, one would have to assume that chronologically it would go after the events of T2 where judgment day got put back. Thats if you want to think about the Predator and Terminator verses co-existing.

We know it's Summer in P2, so maybe it happens first since the War starts at the end of August.

In regards to the healing nature of the skin. Its a 10 year difference between the first attack and second but that doesn't equal 10 year difference in the future time. Skynet could of possibly had a 15-20 year lapse and improved the skin.

Never suggested a direct 10yr correlation, so you're right.

I always imagined that the Resistance had put the skin on their T-800 anyway. Either they got an Endo off the assembly line in the factory and fleshed it since I don't imagine Skynet would flesh them until they were about to be deployed, or the Resistance took one down in combat. In the later case, it was either an Endo foot soldier as seen in T2, or it was an infiltrator, and the existing skin would certainly have been damaged and need replacing. At this point, we don't know how long that T-800 was with them before they sent it through. And again, there could be customizing options built in to each model.

Doesn't matter. Steven Hawkins said time travel is only possible from the present to the future, not the past. Further demonstrated through the theory of acceleration. So every Terminator movie is now flawed and impossible.

I'm going to avoid this argument on un-provable theories and just say that if you were to go back in time to change something it would have already happened. That's what was great about T1. Because Skynet tried to change the past, it ended up creating the events that destroyed Skynet. By trying to keep John from being born, Skynet created the means by which John existed at all to become the great leader with the knowlegde to defeat Skynet. It's a brilliant story.

Greatest failure imo:
T1 (that being your bible´s right) established that the eletric field caused by the human flesh is needed to successfully transport a Terminator to it´s destination and because it´s only fanfic that the T-1000 was covered in skin makes the transport of the T-1000 a complete failure cause he´s 100% metal, or more technologically acurate for the time: nanotechnology.

Playing devil's advocate for a second, I have rationalized this issue by allowing the possibility that Skynet was eventually able to mimic the energy field of living tissue which may be the same energy that the 1000 uses to maintain shapes. But as you argued, this issue was one major reason I never truly accepted T2 as a great sequel story-wise.

And you guys are seriously considering a Termrinator/Predator Crossover where Dutch is the actual human counterpart where Skynet took the Skin for the 101?

It's somewhat plausible, but I'm not sure it would be the best thing to do. It's fun to ponder though.
 
Because it's lame, silly and makes absolutely no sense? :huh Rather than the metalpolyalocrap the T-1000's made from being alien tech, it's perfectly believable to say it's a core surrounded with nanotech that can replicate/digitally clone DNA to mimic the appearance of a person/object.

Well yeah sure, I've no issue with that either. I was just suggesting that there are indeed ways to get around the whole issue of 'how could the T-1000 travel through time if he doesn't have real living tissue'.

As for Dutch being the model of the T-800, that's even a bit too fanboy for my tastes and really, unnecessary. I'm certain that if/when the two T:S sequels are shot, we'll learn how and why the Arnie likeness came into being.

Like Silent Surfer said I think its fun to think about it, I think it could be plausibly done and I think the Predator and Terminator films aren't so at odds with eachother that theres no way they could be thought of as being part of the same fictional universe. However, to say that its too fanboyish and could take us down the AvP route is quite valid.

What it would do though is make for one possible acceptable way for Arnie himself (as opposed to a CGI version) to appear in a Terminator film again. He would appear not as a Terminator but as the human that the 101 fleshies were cloned from - an older version of Dutch would certainly be preferable to me than sergeant Candy.
 
T-1000, alien technology? *shudder* Dutch the template for the Model 101 design *shudder* *shudder*.

That's as bad as "Sergeant Candy" if not worse.

Skynet is a ____ing super computer from the future, the closest thing to God. It learns and creates all the different Terminator machines and the skin. The Model 101 that we all know and love from the first two films is just an infiltrator variation for the T-800. John Connor is emotionally attached to the 101, obviously but Skynet? No, I'm guessing it sent the Model 101 back to 1984 because that was the latest model number. Skynet doesn't ____ing care if it looked like Arnold or anyone else, it's just a cyborg that it used to save it's ass. The whole "T-850" nonsense in T3 is crap and so is the Model 101 popping up for fans in Salvation (that thing was like Skynet's first T-800 why the hell would it have an Arnold likeness?). Just an excuse to bring "Arnold" back for some seats and the fans.

Do you guys remember Franco Columbu from the first Terminator? There you go, a completely different model number for the T-800. He was supposed to be in T2 in an extend future sequence until they dropped the whole back story. He might have been Model 001 or Model 091 who knows.

As for the whole "T1 Model 101 is different from the T2 Uncle Bob" sure, why not. In Cameron's original treatment there were hundreds of racks containing infiltrators in cold storage, different men and women in rows of 10. So you have to figure that there were about 10 101 "Arnold" models contained in Skynet. The one that was sent back to 1984 was obviously missing so that left around 9. John Connor sees it, remembers it from his childhood (or the FIRST future John sends it to protect him out of irony since his mother was attacked by the same model) and sends it back.

Out of those 10, I'd expect small variations. Check out Uncle Bob's hair, it's shaved not long like the 1984 version. My guess could be that the resistance had to have access to it's chip to reprogram it so they shaved it's head.

As for the difference in the skin and age, it's a variation, an anomaly. Who the ____ knows.

It's just a movie after all . . . :lol
 
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I always imagined that the Resistance had put the skin on their T-800 anyway. Either they got an Endo off the assembly line in the factory and fleshed it since I don't imagine Skynet would flesh them until they were about to be deployed, or the Resistance took one down in combat. In the later case, it was either an Endo foot soldier as seen in T2, or it was an infiltrator, and the existing skin would certainly have been damaged and need replacing. At this point, we don't know how long that T-800 was with them before they sent it through. And again, there could be customizing options built in to each model.

They busted "Uncle Bob" out of Cold Storage when Skynet was defeated. Remember what Reese said? Obviously they ended up in Skynet's factory to send Reese back in the first place. After Connor sent Kyle back his men go to the cold storage room containing all the T-800s with skin, break out one of the Model 101s, activate it, reprogram it and send it back to protect young John Connor.

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Oh and we don't know. As far as the story goes, the T-1000 could have very well been wrapped in cloned human flesh to go through the time displacement field.
 
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T-1000, alien technology? *shudder* Dutch the template for the Model 101 design *shudder* *shudder*.

That's as bad as "Sergeant Candy" if not worse.

Nothing could be as bad as Sergeant Candy but I accept the Dutch idea is obviously not popular here. I yield. :monkey3
 
Wouldn't you prefer the idea that there isn't a "template" or an Arnold character to base the model 101 off of? Why can't it just be an image Skynet created for it's 101st infiltrator?

Why does there have to be "a guy". Same with T-1000. Skynet created all these things I think it's more than plausible that it was advanced and intelligent enough to just IMAGINE types and make them with all of it's files.

No "Candy", no "Dutch", no "guy", just the legendary model 101.
 
Like Silent Surfer said I think its fun to think about it, I think it could be plausibly done and I think the Predator and Terminator films aren't so at odds with eachother that theres no way they could be thought of as being part of the same fictional universe. However, to say that its too fanboyish and could take us down the AvP route is quite valid.

What it would do though is make for one possible acceptable way for Arnie himself (as opposed to a CGI version) to appear in a Terminator film again. He would appear not as a Terminator but as the human that the 101 fleshies were cloned from - an older version of Dutch would certainly be preferable to me than sergeant Candy.

Eh, but it gets too convoluted when you add in Predators to the mix. If you want to use an Arnie candidate, use John Matrix. Keeps it simple and John has the same stats as Dutch but without the "alien" baggage. He'd likely welcome the assignment too, as it'd keep him home with Jenny, while providing him with the means to put her through college. :lol
 
To my shame I don't think I've ever seen Commando in full. Been a long time since I saw any of it for that matter.

Difabio I suppose there doesn't have to be an original human candidate on whom the T-800 fleshies were based but I do still find it a more interesting idea than Skynet just 'made them up'.

Thats kind of like the 'why does there have to be a creator of the universe, why couldn't the universe itself just always have been?' question.
 
To my shame I don't think I've ever seen Commando in full. Been a long time since I saw any of it for that matter.

Don't take this the wrong way, but....

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Seriously bud. Order some pizza, pick up a 6-pack of Guenni and swing by your media outlet and pick up the uncut version. It's a fun 80 or so minutes. Plus it'll make you contemplate just how well Vernon Wells plays a closet queen. :lol
 
Not to mention the cool guns and effects in Eraser. Lots of good 1 liners out of him in that movie, "you're luggage" :lol
 
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